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Nehemiah6

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Is it just my perspective or are there a lot of people that expend a lot of time and energy on end time prophecy and is it worth putting any time and energy into such seemingly nonproductive endeavor?
Since at least 30% of the Bible is prophetic, and if fulfilled prophecies are included, more like 50%, Bible prophecy is as important as Gospel truth and Bible truth. But the term "end-time" is very misleading, since many prophecies go well beyond what is known as end-times. God has shown us what will exist in eternity future.

Christians should consider it a privilege that the Lord God Almighty has given human beings a glimpse into His plans and purposes. And that is what prophecy is all about. Primarily about the establishment of the perfect Kingdom of God on earth under the King of kings and the Lord of lords -- the Lord Jesus Christ. As well as the creation of a New Heavens and a New Earth. Yet a vast number of churches and pastors simply ignore Bible prophecy. As a result too many Christians have no idea about God's plans and purposes.

Let's take the current world situation and see what God has said about it. He has told us that He will send "strong delusion" upon the earth in preparation for, and during the reign of the coming Antichrist, so that humanity will believe "a lie". Therefore when you read the news and see the utter foolishness, lies, deceptions, and disastrous decisions of world leaders and politicians as they fail to do what is best for their nations, it should be clear that there is indeed strong delusion that has already come upon the world. The reign of the Antichrist is around the corner and there are several organizations which are feverishly working towards that end.
 
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The new age movement has been around for longer than that with Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age movement writing about the coming one world government and religious system and the New Age Christ back in the 1930's and she admired a woman from the 1800's Helena Blavatsky which was an occultist and a mystic and co-founded the Theosophical Society which is what Alice Bailey teaches.

Alice Bailey taught that there was an inner circle and an outer circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church and was married to a Freemason who agreed with her teachings so he is part of the inner circle of Freemasonry.

They set up a web site to publish Alice Bailey's books and writings and shows so whatever is on the web page is what the new age movement is all about which is lucistrust.org.

The esoteric meaning of Lucifer according to the new age movement.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

They interpret the Bible that Lucifer did not fall in to sin and disgrace but descended from Venus to earth to bring the evolution of intelligence to mankind and will help them to evolve in the future to be spiritual.

They are setting up a kingdom for the worship of Lucifer and believe he will help them to evolve to be spiritual and godlike and have peace on earth.

That is the plan now and why they teach evolution in school for they have a new perspective on reality and they want to establish this reality in the world.

They interpret the Bible differently now so things will change because of this.

The nations are working together more than people realize but they do not want the world to know that.

North Korea, Ukraine war, is all a scare tactic to try to drive the world together.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

Like WW1, League of Nations, and WW2, United Nations, to try to get the nations to cooperate for peace to stop the fighting between people, and they will continue that pattern until the nations come together as one to try to work for peace on earth.

They do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to evolve and have peace on earth until the nations come together as one to try to work for peace on earth so they are working on that.

But it is the trick of the devil to try to get the nations to come together to rebel against God.

Which we see videos and articles about people having proof of seeing UFOS because the new age movement is going to convince the world that aliens want to help mankind transition to a world of peace and believe aliens are on earth right now to help mankind to have peace on earth.

These people are so arrogant and self exalting that they want to believe they are still evolving to be spiritual and godlike for the occult is the most self exalting and dangerous belief system in the history of mankind which is trying to get as much power through nature to be greater to have power and control over other people.

But they will not evolve for it is all their imagination which is why God said they will follow fables but it will make sense to all the people that follow the new age movement because they believe in evolution.
You are jogging my memory. You remind me of a person I very briefly aided in researching 'something' I don't exactly recall. Probably conspiracy theory. circa 1975 in Pasadena,Ca. Des Griffin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Griffin. Maybe something that 'hybridizes' with all the great info you already have. Sounds like you have been keeping fairly good track of this. Maybe even the Greek mythologists play in here. Opening Pandora's Box, Hydra and/or? Seems to me all the pagans took off from the writings of the Israelites? Thnx for nice info.
 

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They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in Florida and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the Germans. The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch and I don't like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud for man's been endowed with a mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day someone will set the spark off and we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to us will be done by our fellow man.
or for your listening pleasure try link
Kingston Trio-Merry Minuet - YouTube
Loved the Kingston Trio!
 

ZNP

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Is it just my perspective or are there a lot of people that expend a lot of time and energy on end time prophecy and is it worth putting any time and energy into such seemingly nonproductive endeavor?
Yes it is worth putting time and energy into it.

25% of the Bible refers to the end times. Is it worth putting time and energy into reading the Bible?

These prophecies tell us what the end times will be like. It tells us we will be surrounded by liars, it tells us there will be a worldwide pandemic that shuts down the economy and that is from the Lord who is declaring a sabbath rest and a solemn fast because the day of the Lord is at hand. Study the prophecies and you will have a much better understanding of the Stop the Steal rallies, BLM protests, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and many other world leaders.

One great benefit as you see all the prophecies being fulfilled is the word in Amos: "Prepare to meet your God".
 
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I like what you are telling me but read the next sentence. I try to avoid teaching of prophecy because my first introduction to "Christianity" was with Worldwide Church of God and it seems like that was their only concern and it sure seems to me that they were not teaching the Gospel according to the Bible.
My first experience was with world wide church of God also. Armstrong will go down in history as pulling off the biggest religious scam ever pulled.
 
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The new age movement has been around for longer than that with Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age movement writing about the coming one world government and religious system and the New Age Christ back in the 1930's and she admired a woman from the 1800's Helena Blavatsky which was an occultist and a mystic and co-founded the Theosophical Society which is what Alice Bailey teaches.

Alice Bailey taught that there was an inner circle and an outer circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church and was married to a Freemason who agreed with her teachings so he is part of the inner circle of Freemasonry.

They set up a web site to publish Alice Bailey's books and writings and shows so whatever is on the web page is what the new age movement is all about which is lucistrust.org.

The esoteric meaning of Lucifer according to the new age movement.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

They interpret the Bible that Lucifer did not fall in to sin and disgrace but descended from Venus to earth to bring the evolution of intelligence to mankind and will help them to evolve in the future to be spiritual.

They are setting up a kingdom for the worship of Lucifer and believe he will help them to evolve to be spiritual and godlike and have peace on earth.

That is the plan now and why they teach evolution in school for they have a new perspective on reality and they want to establish this reality in the world.

They interpret the Bible differently now so things will change because of this.

The nations are working together more than people realize but they do not want the world to know that.

North Korea, Ukraine war, is all a scare tactic to try to drive the world together.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

Like WW1, League of Nations, and WW2, United Nations, to try to get the nations to cooperate for peace to stop the fighting between people, and they will continue that pattern until the nations come together as one to try to work for peace on earth.

They do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to evolve and have peace on earth until the nations come together as one to try to work for peace on earth so they are working on that.

But it is the trick of the devil to try to get the nations to come together to rebel against God.

Which we see videos and articles about people having proof of seeing UFOS because the new age movement is going to convince the world that aliens want to help mankind transition to a world of peace and believe aliens are on earth right now to help mankind to have peace on earth.

These people are so arrogant and self exalting that they want to believe they are still evolving to be spiritual and godlike for the occult is the most self exalting and dangerous belief system in the history of mankind which is trying to get as much power through nature to be greater to have power and control over other people.

But they will not evolve for it is all their imagination which is why God said they will follow fables but it will make sense to all the people that follow the new age movement because they believe in evolution.
I have studied the works of Alice Bailey for about 15 years now. Crazy stuff. My wife always asks me why I read that stuff and I always respond to her that I read it to know thy enemies. They plan on having their blasted religion be in full swing by 2025. They are into what I coined as " universal consentual suicide" its the same lie satan told Eve in eden. Beware of it, its going to catch this world by storm and so decieving it will be that if it were possible, even the elect would fall for it!
 
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Is it just my perspective or are there a lot of people that expend a lot of time and energy on end time prophecy and is it worth putting any time and energy into such seemingly nonproductive endeavor?
Seeing that you are a former WWC member. May I direct you to CCG.org. Its everything WWC wishes they were. CCG is the real deal and then some.
 
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Seeing that you are a former WWC member. May I direct you to CCG.org. Its everything WWC wishes they were. CCG is the real deal and then some.
Thanks for the heads up. I am going to check them out a little more but just now after a quick look at their info they appear to be a cult of the same type as Armstrong WWCG. However I do stay open minded as I have also been looking into Bereans and Les Feldick which groups seem to be also primarily interested in prophecy and I am interested in THE GOSPEL of CHRIST. Some Groups seem to be very deceptive and CCG may be also. e.g. I see on tv a group who follows a man named, Cox. Keep playing Coxes interpretation of the Bible. The intro is by Cox "What sayeth the Bible", some verses are given and then Coxes opinions dominate. Same thing with Les Feldick who is followed by Bereans as I am finding out. I am in Chicago and have many different local groups that I am considering to attend. So far I am leaning toward Assemblies of God as I see on a local website and I like the way they pray. The preachers sound a little humble.
 
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Isa 41:21 Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
Isa 41:22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
Isa 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
Isa 41:26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
Isa 41:28 For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.

God said He identifies Himself as the one true God by showing us the end from the beginning and said that no other person or religion can do that.

Which God showed us the whole history of mankind on earth all the kingdoms on earth starting with Egypt to the 7th kingdom the 10 horn kingdom which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which will continue for a short space which is three and one half years and the 8th king is the New Age Christ, antichrist, who will rule for three and one half years.

The 7th king is the next kingdom to come which the nations will come together as one to try to work for peace on earth.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement that interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual and godlike, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior but a good teacher and love and evolved to be a an ascended master, and do not acknowledge a personal God but honor the God of forces or the power of nature as their higher power the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

When the New Age Christ starts working in the world he will be considered a great man of peace and the biggest player on the world scene and he will push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God and then He will end sin on earth.

When the New Age Christ is working in the world it will be the time the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age movement which all religions are interpreted by the new age movement and nothing can be preached contrary to the new age movement.

The book of Revelation is a warning to the world to get right with God to escape these things that shall come upon the earth and be with God.

Prophesy is a way to show that the God of Israel is the true God because He showed us what shall happen before it happened.

It is because of the new age movement that the world rebels against God and evolving to be spiritual and godlike and there is no personal God is the arrogance and self exaltation of them which they will say I am and there is no one else beside me.

So to understand prophesy is easy for it is the new age movement for it is the reason the world rebels against God causing what happens in Revelation.

A person does not have to understand in detail every thing that shall happen in order until the world rebels against God but just know not to follow them for there is a personal God and Jesus is Lord and Savior.

God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way and go against the truth and then He will end sin on earth.

The 10 horn kingdom will rule for the first three and one half years but they will fail at providing peace on earth, and then the world accepts the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth and when they follow the New Age Christ and take his mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to them and God will end sin on earth.

During the 7 years period the world took away the hope of the world for they stopped the preaching of the Gospel and the truth of the Bible on a world wide level all nations governments supporting it.

The new age movement and the world will think they are prospering and winning against their enemies and that their kingdom shall prosper and flourish but they do not understand that God is allowing them to have their way for 7 years and go against the truth so He can end sin on earth.
Yes yes yes, you are very accurate on what you wrote. It is definitely a new age doctrine that engulfs this world with their religion of the immortal soul as its mankinds time to take that evolutionary jump and shed his physical body (universal consentual suicide) they die and instead of whisking off to the milky way to some cosmic paradise like they think, they will find themselves resurrected back in human form at the age of 20 along with the rest of the Adamic creation and the demons who will have been killed as spirit beings and changed to 20 year old humans also known as the second and final resurrection, the great white throne judgement. There they will have 2 jubilees/100 years to repent, be baptized and receive God's holy spirit. If they dont repent they will die at the 100 year marker, return as dust and never be thought of again. The great thing is, is that the Father is perfect and ALL repent. He loses not one soul, even satan repents. After all, satan is the prodigal son.
Much love
 
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Thanks for the heads up. I am going to check them out a little more but just now after a quick look at their info they appear to be a cult of the same type as Armstrong WWCG. However I do stay open minded as I have also been looking into Bereans and Les Feldick which groups seem to be also primarily interested in prophecy and I am interested in THE GOSPEL of CHRIST. Some Groups seem to be very deceptive and CCG may be also. e.g. I see on tv a group who follows a man named, Cox. Keep playing Coxes interpretation of the Bible. The intro is by Cox "What sayeth the Bible", some verses are given and then Coxes opinions dominate. Same thing with Les Feldick who is followed by Bereans as I am finding out. I am in Chicago and have many different local groups that I am considering to attend. So far I am leaning toward Assemblies of God as I see on a local website and I like the way they pray. The preachers sound a little humble.
hunothprophething.Whateve
Thanks for the heads up. I am going to check them out a little more but just now after a quick look at their info they appear to be a cult of the same type as Armstrong WWCG. However I do stay open minded as I have also been looking into Bereans and Les Feldick which groups seem to be also primarily interested in prophecy and I am interested in THE GOSPEL of CHRIST. Some Groups seem to be very deceptive and CCG may be also. e.g. I see on tv a group who follows a man named, Cox. Keep playing Coxes interpretation of the Bible. The intro is by Cox "What sayeth the Bible", some verses are given and then Coxes opinions dominate. Same thing with Les Feldick who is followed by Bereans as I am finding out. I am in Chicago and have many different local groups that I am considering to attend. So far I am leaning toward Assemblies of God as I see on a local website and I like the way they pray. The preachers sound a little humble.
 
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Thanks for the heads up. I am going to check them out a little more but just now after a quick look at their info they appear to be a cult of the same type as Armstrong WWCG. However I do stay open minded as I have also been looking into Bereans and Les Feldick which groups seem to be also primarily interested in prophecy and I am interested in THE GOSPEL of CHRIST. Some Groups seem to be very deceptive and CCG may be also. e.g. I see on tv a group who follows a man named, Cox. Keep playing Coxes interpretation of the Bible. The intro is by Cox "What sayeth the Bible", some verses are given and then Coxes opinions dominate. Same thing with Les Feldick who is followed by Bereans as I am finding out. I am in Chicago and have many different local groups that I am considering to attend. So far I am leaning toward Assemblies of God as I see on a local website and I like the way they pray. The preachers sound a little humble.
I hope you find what your looking for. Just remember this scripture Rev 19:10 ........for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Much love
 
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Is it just my perspective or are there a lot of people that expend a lot of time and energy on end time prophecy and is it worth putting any time and energy into such seemingly nonproductive endeavor?
We are called to be watchmen. Now how can we be watchmen not knowing what to watch for?

Non productive are you serious?
 
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Isa 41:21 Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
Isa 41:22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
Isa 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
Isa 41:26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
Isa 41:28 For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.

God said He identifies Himself as the one true God by showing us the end from the beginning and said that no other person or religion can do that.

Which God showed us the whole history of mankind on earth all the kingdoms on earth starting with Egypt to the 7th kingdom the 10 horn kingdom which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which will continue for a short space which is three and one half years and the 8th king is the New Age Christ, antichrist, who will rule for three and one half years.

The 7th king is the next kingdom to come which the nations will come together as one to try to work for peace on earth.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement that interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual and godlike, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior but a good teacher and love and evolved to be a an ascended master, and do not acknowledge a personal God but honor the God of forces or the power of nature as their higher power the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

When the New Age Christ starts working in the world he will be considered a great man of peace and the biggest player on the world scene and he will push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God and then He will end sin on earth.

When the New Age Christ is working in the world it will be the time the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age movement which all religions are interpreted by the new age movement and nothing can be preached contrary to the new age movement.

The book of Revelation is a warning to the world to get right with God to escape these things that shall come upon the earth and be with God.

Prophesy is a way to show that the God of Israel is the true God because He showed us what shall happen before it happened.

It is because of the new age movement that the world rebels against God and evolving to be spiritual and godlike and there is no personal God is the arrogance and self exaltation of them which they will say I am and there is no one else beside me.

So to understand prophesy is easy for it is the new age movement for it is the reason the world rebels against God causing what happens in Revelation.

A person does not have to understand in detail every thing that shall happen in order until the world rebels against God but just know not to follow them for there is a personal God and Jesus is Lord and Savior.

God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way and go against the truth and then He will end sin on earth.

The 10 horn kingdom will rule for the first three and one half years but they will fail at providing peace on earth, and then the world accepts the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth and when they follow the New Age Christ and take his mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to them and God will end sin on earth.

During the 7 years period the world took away the hope of the world for they stopped the preaching of the Gospel and the truth of the Bible on a world wide level all nations governments supporting it.

The new age movement and the world will think they are prospering and winning against their enemies and that their kingdom shall prosper and flourish but they do not understand that God is allowing them to have their way for 7 years and go against the truth so He can end sin on earth.
You forgot to place the two witnesses in there. The last 42 months Enoch and Elijah will be preaching the gospel from Jerusalem. They will be preaching the nexus of God's law. They preach for 1,230 days then killed, lay in the street dead for 3 days then get translated to spirit with all those of the first resurrection as they met Messiah in the air and Messiah takes his rightful place on the throne of David and rules with a rod of Iron.
Michael....im mean Messiah and the firstfruits will capture the fallen hosts and put them in tatoros for 1,000 yrs......blah blah...you know the rest.
Much love
 

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Its in the Bible for a reason. I think the primary subject of the Bible is Jesus and that eschatology should not supersede the gospel. Which seems to be the case for many. But Jesus warned for us to be busy about the tasks he has given us because we dont know when he will come. But when he does come we need to be found doing what he tasked us to do.
Eschatology is not supersede the gospel
gospel is Mathew mark luke an john
end time prophecy is part of the gospel
This is in Matt 24 by Jesus
 

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Eschatology is the study of the harvest at the end of the age. How could you be a servant of the Lord laboring in the field and not be interested in the harvest?
 

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You forgot to place the two witnesses in there. The last 42 months Enoch and Elijah will be preaching the gospel from Jerusalem. They will be preaching the nexus of God's law. They preach for 1,230 days then killed, lay in the street dead for 3 days then get translated to spirit with all those of the first resurrection as they met Messiah in the air and Messiah takes his rightful place on the throne of David and rules with a rod of Iron.
Michael....im mean Messiah and the firstfruits will capture the fallen hosts and put them in tatoros for 1,000 yrs......blah blah...you know the rest.
Much love
I did not want to go in to detail about everything but God will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

Either these 2 witnesses are Elijah and Enoch for they were received up in to heaven without dying a physical death while on earth.

Or it is Moses and Elijah which Moses and Elijah were with Jesus when He transfigured before them and they talked to each other which the disciples witnessed.

I tend to think it is Moses and Elijah with Moses as the law giver and Elijah as the miracle worker although they will both do miracles at that time and have power to take down their enemies with plagues like fire.

Also Israel dealt with Moses and Elijah but did not deal with Enoch.

I think it will happen like this.

God will give the world 7 years to go against the truth and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ which then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world and God will end sin on earth.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East which will start the 7 years period and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land but God means it for good towards the Jews.

Which God said He is going to gather the whole house of Jacob back to their land and leave none of them in the nations anymore and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward and He will never hide His face from them again which they will always be in the truth from that time forward.

So this cannot be a past prophesy because if it were then Israel would be in the truth right now.

God said He is going to set His glory among the heathen which the kingdom on earth will be restored to Israel which the disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to Israel at that time and He said do not worry about it for the Father will do it in His own time.

Which the Bible says that Israel is blinded in part and that is because they go by the Old Testament but not the New Testament for the majority of them but Israel as a nation has to come to the truth until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in which is when salvation is no longer available to them and so all Israel shall be saved which Israel will be the only operating government and nation on earth.

Which God said He is going to make a full end of all nations their operating system but will not make a full end of Israel but they shall not be wholly unpunished for they will be punished in part and when they have borne their shame for their sins and iniquities against God then the kingdom will be restored to them.

The Hebrews will rebuild their 3rd temple on the Temple Mount with no hassle from the Palestinians and the Hebrews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.

The world will be split in to 10 sections, the 10 horn kingdom, and they will operate for three and one half years.

The New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age movement and nothing can be taught contrary to the new age movement or it will be a hate crime which they will say it is not the truth and they want peace not conflict.

All religions will be interpreted by the new age movement which they are still evolving to be spiritual and there is no personal God.

But they say the universe has a conscience which Alice Bailey wrote a book called Consciousness of the Atom so they believe they are doing the will of nature by establishing the new age movement way of religion in the world.

Which is why they will also be dangerous for they will go against all people that oppose them looking at them like a disease they must get rid of for the peace and harmony of the planet like the body will go against diseases in the body so the body can function normally.

Since they do not believe in a personal God they believe in doing the will of nature so they believe they have to go against all people that oppose them for that is their reality.

Which God said the new age movement is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils and their conscious is seared with a hot iron.

But that is what happens to people who do not believe in a God and look at nature instead God stops working in their life and they obtain a reprobate mind and become filled with all unrighteousness because in the flesh dwells no good thing.

Because of the new age movement they are looking at nature now and trying to improve the planet which they have United Nations Agenda 21, or Agenda 2030 for the year, which is a sustainable development plan, which over 179 nations agreed to it in 1992.

During the first three and one half years the world still has repentance and salvation available to them so the saints will remain on earth.

The 10 horn kingdom has a hard time obtaining peace and war breaks out between Islam and the world which is the 6th trumpet because Islam will rebel because they will not allow the preaching of anything contrary to the new age movement and they will say it is an insult to Allah.

The 6th trumpet describes nuclear weapons and in Daniel 7 it says the little horn, antichrist, will pluck up 3 horns by the roots which they have no more power or growth which they will bomb the 3 sections that cover the Arab nations.

Which the 6 trumpets are 6 disasters that happen on earth that are the result of the world and their fighting and their problems.

God said after the 6th trumpet the world still will not repent of their sins and turn to Him but keep trying to establish peace on earth by their own efforts so God gives them the New Age Christ to rule over them.

The 10 horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace on earth and they lost hope and were in despair which the 10 horn kingdom is the 7th head which the 7 heads are the last 7 kingdoms before the antichrist rules who is the 8th king.

The world turns to the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth and he gives them hope and that they will have peace and the deadly wound of the head, 7th head, was healed, which the 10 horns hand their power over to him and he gets control of the world.

But it was already planned out for the 10 horn kingdom to fail so the world will turn to the New Age Christ and they wanted to go against Islam anyway for their belief in a personal God and not abiding by the new age movement.

The New Age Christ will claim to be God by evolving and being the most advanced being in the universe, and the false prophet does miracles by appearing to cause fire to come down from heaven to convince the people that the New Age Christ did evolve to be spiritual and godlike and shared this power with the false prophet and will share this power with all people who follow the New Age Christ.

When they take the mark of the beast then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world and the fulness of the Gentiles will have come in.

Paul said the saints cannot be gathered together unto Christ until there is a falling away first and the man of sin claims to be God then the resurrection of the saints can happen.

Which is why the New Age Christ blasphemes against God and His tabernacle for the saints are on earth and he tells the world that the Christian religion is false and there is no personal God to help mankind but mankind can have peace on earth by their own technology and devices.

If the saints were not on earth the New Age Christ would not have to go against Christianity for there would be nobody there representing it for it to be a threat to their belief system on earth.

When they take the mark then the saints can be gathered unto Christ.

But the Bible says that the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them and they shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people then all things are finished.

Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father.

During the last three and one half years God will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior and at the end of that time the nation of Israel shall be in the truth and the kingdom can be restored to Israel.

The saints are gathered unto Christ and the New Age Christ takes the world to go against the nation of Israel to attack the Hebrews which Jesus and the saints come back from heaven and Jesus defeats the world and saves Israel and Jesus and the saints rule for 1000 years over one sixth of the world that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.

Which God said He is going to gather all nations together against Jerusalem to battle and then He shall go against them and fight them like He did back in the day of battle when He defended Israel.

Which half of the city shall be taken and then God will save the other half which the world will run over the Palestinian half to get to the Hebrews and then Jesus will step down on a mountain and the mountain will split and the Hebrews will run in that split and Jesus will defeat the New Age Christ and the world with the brightness of His glory which their flesh will melt off of their bones.

And then the LORD shall be king over all the earth and in that day there shall be one LORD and His name one.
 

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I am in Chicago and if I watch WJYS christian tv, a lot of programs seem to focus on prophecy. Particularly when they used to have Jim Bakker programming. At least he is no longer on.
Is this thread a joke or are you really wanting an answer?

The first thing I would tell you to do is get a good King James Study Bible; I like the Companion Bible because it has the appendixes written by Dr. Bullinger. Then get the New Strong's Exhaustive Concordance published by Thomas Nelson, and a good dictionary.

Then start studying by first asking God to open your eyes and ears and your heart; Then start reading chapter by chapter and verse by verse. When you run across a word you are not sure of look it up in your concordance and your dictionary you will be surprised. Take the word pitch Genesis 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

`Hebrew # 3722. To make an atonement, cleans, disannul, forgive, be merciful, Pitch: purge(away) put off (make) reconcile or reconciliation; and I thought it was just to keep the water out.

To answer your question Jesus did tell us to understand it. Mark :13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:



Mark28.Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.



Jesus was the one saying this; If Jesus says Learn something you should learn it. Have you or do you have someone to help you understand it.