Also, if you look close at the Strongs, you'll see the Greek word eleemosynary. That is the word associated with the giving of alms, money.
Eph 4:11-12, Which one are you?
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Also, if you look close at the Strongs, you'll see the Greek word eleemosynary. That is the word associated with the giving of alms, money.
Ah, I see.
Some people like to preserve the priest/laity dynamic adopted by the Roman church from Jewish antiquity and polytheism. I am staunchly against that dichotomy.
If you are saying few members of the Body have someone watching over their souls in the role of a spiritual father I agree. Many have a "me and Jesus" mentality not found in scripture.
I came up through Catholicism from first to 9th grade. I had a desire to serve the lord way back then. I would do anything to be the altar boy to serve the mass. All positive!
In 1987 I went to that same church begging for help with substance abuse. The priest told me to go to AA. So I did , and a bonfire protestant was born.
My point is, those 9 years of practicing Catholicism was just part of my path, and served an important purpose when I needed it. I thank God for that priest, his advice started something you wouldn't believe.
I wouldn't change a thing.
One time, a drunk guy helped me change a tire. The tire fit perfectly and my car ran as designed.
The perfect example of faith!
An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence.
Even drunks fulfill acts of faith all day long.
AI can read and understand the simple text in the N.T.
AI can also clarify the context which guards against error riddled interpretations.
Here is a good example of how the context in Romans nullifies what many think this following verse is saying.
Romans 3:31
Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law.
Is Paul saying that we are all under the law?
When the context is taken into account the verse above (Romans 3:31) is stating the obvious.
Take it away AI.
Romans 3:31 does not establish the Mosaic Law as a system for earning righteousness, because the immediate context
of Romans 3 explicitly states that justification comes apart from the law through faith in Christ. Paul means that faith
upholds the law's true purpose by acknowledging its perfection, recognizing humanity's failure, and pointing to Jesus
as the one who fulfilled its penalty. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Context of Romans 3
- Justification apart from works: Paul spends the preceding verses (3:20–28) arguing that "no flesh will be justified in His sight by the deeds of the law," because the law only brings the knowledge of sin. [1]
- The principle of faith: He contrasts boasting in works with the "law of faith," stating that a person is justified by faith without keeping ritual or moral commandments as a payment mechanism (3:27–28).
- The role of Christ: God put forward Jesus as a propitiation, demonstrating His righteousness so that He is both just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus (3:25–26).
How Faith "Establishes" the Law
- Honoring the verdict: By turning to grace, a believer agrees with the law's strict standard and high cost rather than pretending human effort can satisfy it. [1]
- Fulfillment in Christ: Jesus met the absolute righteous requirements and paid the penalty demanded by the law, meaning faith validates the law's penalty rather than ignoring it. [1, 2]
- Testamentary witness: Earlier in Romans, Paul notes that the law and the prophets themselves bear witness to this righteousness by faith, meaning the Old Testament scriptures anticipated grace all along.
Oh I don't think anyone can match your slaps on your own back.
Basic Christianity: look past the flawed vessel, discern and test what they say.
That would be the OP
You baffled me G.
You compare eating meat dedicated to idols, with having the mind of Christ?
Here is another way of saying mind of Christ. " a conscious contact with Him". Now think about that for a second, and let it sink in. To be consciously connected to Christ 24/7. You seem perfectly ok with interrupting that connection with something like music, after we both acknowledged music or songs can get stuck in our heads for days.
Think a little more about this. What certainty do you have when that music that gets stuck in your head wears off, that the connection returns like before. Don't you think for someone in that state, there might be a little fear of loosing the most precious thing a human being can experience while on earth. To have a conscious contact with our creator.
G , have I been overestimating you for the past 6 months? What say you?
You cannot look past the 'vessel' and discern. It's a package deal.
Basic Christianity would be the gospel. Foundational. If people do not have a grasp on all Christ has done for us, we end up with baby birds waiting to be fed.
As it is, I disagree with your understanding on how the gifts function. You appear to have given yourself the OT title of watchman which is interesting.
Admittedly, the gifts we recieve as the result of a continually surrendered life are not something i spend alot of time on. I understand if im surrendering my life to Him, what happens to that surrendered life is out of my hands and not really any of my business anymore .
I keep it simple, understanding faith and faithing correctly is mandatory to discuss anything beyond that. If someone doesn't understand faith and faithing, how could they be fulfilling it every day, positioning themselves correctly to be filled with His spirit, making Christ, His spirit, His word, and the promises in His word theirs to claim.
I'm talking about the spiritual gifts given by God through the Holy Spirit for the edification and building up of the body (believers)
Are you a fatalist of some kind? What do you mean the surrendering of your life is out of your hands You, according to scripture, are or should be an active participant in your relationship with Christ. It is every bit your business unless you are a jellyfish dependant on the currents. Let us hope not.
Faithing? That's not a word
I dunno. Perhaps tell me how you do all of that while remaining a passive observer to your own life?Perhaps I misunderstand. It starts to sound a little existential imo.
I'm talking about the spiritual gifts given by God through the Holy Spirit for the edification and building up of the body (believers)
Are you a fatalist of some kind? What do you mean the surrendering of your life is out of your hands You, according to scripture, are or should be an active participant in your relationship with Christ. It is every bit your business unless you are a jellyfish dependant on the currents. Let us hope not.
Faithing? That's not a word
Perhaps I misunderstand. It starts to sound a little existential imo.
I think it would be more beneficial for you to do what I suggested at the start. Look past the vessel, and focus on the topic. The topic is faith and faithing, pistis and pisteuo.
If you need to inspect me to see if im worthy to bring this evidence to you, I'll save you some time, I'm not.
OK well you do not want to address my concerns regarding your interpretations but I should take your advice. I discern I should not do that.
If I need to 'inspect' you? This is not a church. I will leave the inspection of your person to whatever body of believers you fellowship with...if you do. You have some strange notions IMO. whatever
I am a saint who is still being taught by gifted teachers and apostles. I am also a teacher by occupation and by gifting who is actively discipling and teaching and training others. This is my life calling.