Eternal Security - Most dangerous words ever preached: Once saved, always saved.

[Micaiah-imla]

What do you believe OSAS is ?

It is a false doctrine.

Here’s the biblical gospel:

Repent and believe the gospel.

Continue grounded and settled.

Endure unto the end.

 

[posthuman]

Did Adam and Eve believe in God?

why did Adam change his wife's name?

 

[Chris1975]

previously refuted:

I AM the Resurrection and the Life: he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live, ​

and whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. ​

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Do you believe this? ​

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- Jesus Christ, Lord of heaven and earth​

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34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

Do you believe this?

- Jesus Christ, Lord of Heaven and Earth.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Jude 1:4 KJV
[4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

THIS IS WHAT OSAS DOES!

For there are certain men crept in unawares...these are Satan's ministers.

 

[throughfaith]

You said "How can someone actually be lost when he is glorified"
To which my responses were......he is not glorified yet. He can still be lost on the journey. Salvation happens at the end of the journey. The JUST shall LIVE (ongoing) by faith.

But if the Holy spirit has sealed us to Glorification. how are we lost ?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

For what its worth, some of the worst behaviour I've seen has been from those who hold to conditional salvation .

That’s strange; I’ve seen some OSAS’ers have the worst behavior on these boards. Maybe you should look at the “Not of works” thread to see the evidence.

 

[Chris1975]

But if the Holy spirit has sealed us to Glorification. how are we lost ?

You are sealed with Him (in other words He dwells in the believer). It doesnt mean the rebel who quenches the Spirit will be saved.

 

[Chris1975]

But if the Holy spirit has sealed us to Glorification. how are we lost ?

Hebrews 10 v29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”

 

[throughfaith]

The O/T Saints where saved by their Faith in God and by their Faith in that sacrifice they took to the high priest would forgive them of their sins. All whose faith was only in God and forsook the sacrifice went to hell.

The N/T Saints are doing the same as the O/T Saints. They say their faith is in Jesus (God), but have no faith in the atoning Sacrifice (the Lamb of God-Christ Crucified 1 Cor. 2:2). This is called Apostasy. Matthew 7:14, Matthew 7:21-23


The scripture says, "Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." Genesis 8:20

Noah had Faith in the sacrifice that it would forgive him of his sins.

Yes but what Good news do we preach ? is it 'build an alter to the Lord ' burnt offerings? yes by faith . But if you believe you can preach without the 'death, burial and resurrection then you would be preaching a false gospel and no one is going to be saved by your Gospel.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

We need to understand -- in context -

The most over used and worthless phrase around here.

1 Corinthians 14:26 KJV
[26] How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

 

[Benadam]

Perhaps the unsaved have no insight! Especially the religionists!

There are many who say they are saved but are not. There are many who don't know if they are saved but are.

There is no visible sign to indicate eternal destiny.
So what value is it to believe something that is just as likely to be wrong as right. What value is it to believe something that isn't revealed?

 

[posthuman]

Jude 1:4 KJV
[4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

THIS IS WHAT OSAS DOES!

engendering lasciviousness is exactly what the actual gospel is naturally, and slanderously accused of:

And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”? — as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just. ​

(Romans 3:8) ​

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why?

Jude 1:4 KJV
[4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

THIS IS WHAT OSAS DOES!

why not use grace as an excuse for lasciviousness is the precisely the obvious question raised by the actual gospel:

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?​

(Romans 6:1)​

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why?

 

[throughfaith]

You are sealed with Him (in other words He dwells in the believer). It doesnt mean the rebel who quenches the Spirit will be saved.

Wow your adding things to what the verse does not say .It also doesn't say those that quench the Spirit that He leaves either . The bible doesn't say Jesus wasnt a champion figure skater either . If I said your contract is until 2030 when does your contract end?

 

[throughfaith]

Hebrews 10 v29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”

You have an amazing way of Jumping to another text with a separate context avoiding the first text ?.

 

[Chris1975]

Wow your adding things to what the verse does not say .It also doesn't say those that quench the Spirit that He leaves either . The bible doesn't say Jesus wasnt a champion figure skater either . If I said your contract is until 2030 when does your contract end?

I gave you Heb 10v29

 

[Nehemiah6]

He can still be lost on the journey. Salvation happens at the end of the journey.

More confused thinking. Salvation begins AT THE BEGINNING and continues for eternity. Salvation is of the LORD.

CALLING ----> JUSTIFICATION----->SANCTIFICATION--->GLORIFICATION

Glorification is predestined: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (Rom 8:29,30)

 

[Chris1975]

You have an amazing way of Jumping to another text with a separate context avoiding the first text ?.

More like you are struggling to see the connections.

 

[throughfaith]

I gave you Heb 10v29

Were in Ephesians ? the bible isn't fighting with itself.

 

[posthuman]

engendering lasciviousness is exactly what the actual gospel is naturally, and slanderously accused of:

And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”? — as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just. ​

(Romans 3:8) ​

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why?

why not use grace as an excuse for lasciviousness is the precisely the obvious question raised by the actual gospel:

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?​

(Romans 6:1)​

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why?

what i am asking is:
does a religion in which ones salvation is contingent on & either lost or gained by sin or righteous deeds raise either of the objections in Romans 3:8 or 6:1 ??
or does only a faith in which salvation is the free & irrevocable gift of God bring such criticism?

 

[Chris1975]

More confused thinking. Salvation begins AT THE BEGINNING and continues for eternity. Salvation is of the LORD.

CALLING ----> JUSTIFICATION----->SANCTIFICATION--->GLORIFICATION

Glorification is predestined: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (Rom 8:29,30)

You are quoting Election verses. Only God knows who the Elect are. As for us, we need to make our call and Election sure (2 Peter 1v10)