You are surmising this. The text does not tell us this. Nowhere in any of these passages is Satan ever mentioned. You need to rely on nothing but the language of the text. Do not force things into the text. Let the text speak for itself.
Ever wonder what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was?
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You are surmising this. The text does not tell us this. Nowhere in any of these passages is Satan ever mentioned. You need to rely on nothing but the language of the text. Do not force things into the text. Let the text speak for itself.
You need to have the overall picture of what the entire Bible and why we are here in the first place is all about. I have to say that I'm a little shocked that you don't know who lucifer is and that you cannot tell by the context of what is written that GOD is referring to satan.
Who do these texts say are the subjects of these passages? It is in the text. All you have to do is read it.
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I believe the king of Tyre was a human tyrant. I also believe the text speaks to the Enemy possessing him. So, God is speaking to both the king of Tyre and the Enemy at different times throughout the chapter. Some verses just don't relate to a human king and some don't relate to a purely spiritual being, fallen or non.
In any case, GOD is speaking to the dark power behind it all. You can see this if you look and realize that GOD is speaking to the being that was in Eden. The being that caused it all.
If this is true Trintin we will need to find somewhere in the text that specifies where God is shifting his focus. We know he his speaking directly to these ancient kings because he says so. If he is shifting the subject of his address we will need to find where in the text he tells us this.
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ELECT
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Are you saying there were other humans in the garden of eden ?
[h=1]Ezekiel 28:13-15King James Version (KJV)[/h]13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
I have no doubt that Satan is the evil force behind the godlessness of these kings but God does not say that he is speaking to the source of the evil. What he does say is that these discourses are directed to those ancient kings for their evil.
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ELECT
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Who is the prince of persia and grecia ?
[h=1]Daniel 10:13King James Version (KJV)[/h]13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
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ELECT
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[h=1]Ezekiel 28:16King James Version (KJV)[/h]16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
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ELECT
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Ezekiel 28:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
The devil knows more bible than any of us
Who is the "Thou" he is speaking to? You say it is Satan but what does the text say?
These images are not meant to be taken literally. This is merely descriptive language that is used to demonstrate how far this king has fallen from God's favor. If you will notice in verse 12, God again reinforces to whom this message is intended, “Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him..." What was said to the king of Tyre was:
12“You had the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13“You were in Eden, the garden of God;Every precious stone was your covering:The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you. On the day that you were created they were prepared.
14“You were the anointed cherub who covers, and I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15“You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you.
ETC,etc,etc, through out verse 19. In verse 20 God then switches his attention from the king of Tyre to the nation of Sidon.
Ezekiel 28:16King James Version (KJV)
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
I think I can go eat dinner without worry! You have totally got this covered!
Thanks for being there!
I submit
the Tree of Life is the way of Yahweh (pure righteousness; no excuse for evil)
and
the tree of knowledge of righteousness and evil is the way of satan (mixture of right and wrong; justifications for evil through false doctrines; "means to an end" type thinking)
the Tree of Life is the way of Yahweh (pure righteousness; no excuse for evil)
and
the tree of knowledge of righteousness and evil is the way of satan (mixture of right and wrong; justifications for evil through false doctrines; "means to an end" type thinking)
I have no doubt that Satan is wiser than us all but Satan is not the subject of the taunt.
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ELECT
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are humans cherub or ever ferred to as such ?
the you is satan the king of tyre
Who is leviathan ?
Who else is an was the anoited cherub ?
are humans cherub or ever ferred to as such ?
the you is satan the king of tyre
Who is leviathan ?
Who does the text say he is?
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