Ever wonder Why?….

Niki7 · Jun 17, 2023

No. I don't wonder about that at all. I totally accept that God created all things and those things He declared good. I have made my choice to follow Jesus and I marvel at God's love and all the provisions He had made for us in His Son.

Which, leads me to wonder why you would seem to believe that such a good Father would create the devil and send him into the garden.

That would be what I wonder, but it is actually, in your case and having traded posts with you before, a rhetorical kind of wondering.

Whatever you believe has guided you to respond to my post in the manner in which you did suggests you either prefer not to deal with the fact you have made an error in what you believe or you simply choose not to deal with it.

Either way, it does cause some to wonder why you would do that if you made this post to proclaim the goodness of God

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Magenta said:

oh I like the cartoon art that’s a really cool one sort of reminds of sleeping beauty

Lafftur · Jun 17, 2023

Niki7 said:

No. I don't wonder about that at all. I totally accept that God created all things and those things He declared good. I have made my choice to follow Jesus and I marvel at God's love and all the provisions He had made for us in His Son.

Which, leads me to wonder why you would seem to believe that such a good Father would create the devil and send him into the garden.

That would be what I wonder, but it is actually, in your case and having traded posts with you before, a rhetorical kind of wondering.

Whatever you believe has guided you to respond to my post in the manner in which you did suggests you either prefer not to deal with the fact you have made an error in what you believe or you simply choose not to deal with it.

Either way, it does cause some to wonder why you would do that if you made this post to proclaim the goodness of God

God had to create both good and evil so that we could have a choice.

He wants us to love Him and love has to always have a choice.

Eventually evil will be no more but, for now it does exist so we can have a choice.

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Magenta said:

Amen because

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Lafftur said:

Amen the right choice is to believe the Lord he’s always fornus and not against us he says what he says to protect the life he created and blessed us with freely

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the inevitable second choice if we don’t let Gods word be true infallibly

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems as though now our choice is very easy and out yoke is very light

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what other choice would a mortal believer make hearing this and accepting it as truth

Our choice is so clear since Jesus shined the light if we would just like children believe in the lord our choice has been made correctly

“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:25-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s not a heavy load like the law it’s a relationship with our lord and teacher and guide through this world the same who gave his blood and life also has invited us to learn the truth so we have a choice again to live and not die

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Magenta said:

wow I don’t think I’ve ever seen one of your artworks with less color

Niki7 · Jun 17, 2023

Lafftur said:

Your response is not biblical. Sounds all cozy and stuff, but you are willfully ignoring, it would seem, the fact the Bible explicitly declares that God did NOT create evil.

From my original post...notice I posted scripture which affirms what I am saying. In fact, I know God did not create evil because of scripture!

God created the angel who became the devil but He did not create him as the devil.

44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. John 8:44

Those are the words of Jesus and they indicate that the devil did not 'stand fast in the truth' meaning he did not stay as he was created.

Seems we might wonder why he had the free will to do that but we cannot wonder why God created him evil because he did not create evil.

And God saw everything that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day Genesis 1:31 That, would indicate the devil was not created as the devil.

Then this happened:

You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High"

Isaiah 14: 13 & 14

I will deal further with this in my next post. You need to show from scripture what you think is true, not some teaching you believe, that God created evil

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Magenta said:

amen abraham and his line of faith

“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( Abraham’s seed ) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the gentile through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8-9‬ ‭

“As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:

all believers are the children of Abraham because Christ is his seed of promise and we are in him

Niki7 · Jun 17, 2023

The origin of evil is not with God. It is with humankind itself and the choice made in the garden to disobey God. God created the earth and mankind to rule over the earth but mankind gave away his authority when he believed the lie that God was keeping something from him.

Satan is now called the god of this world, but the only power he has is what people give to him. Jesus has defeated the devil and all of his kingdom and we need to realize this and use our God given authority to stand firm against the devil and his deceptions.

This verse, in the KJ, I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7, is not how it reads in the original language. It is also the only verse that makes this statement and it is incorrect. You might have pointed it out but it does not seem you know from where you received what you believe about God creating evil.

The original Hebrew actually states that God creates disaster and the verse should read as follows:

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things

This error has been corrected in newer translations.

It is CHOICE and the wrong response to that choice, that introduced evil into the world and we call it sin. God does not sin nor does he tempt us to sin.

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Magenta said:

i can’t wait for autumns colors thank you sister you always inspire and brighten my heart with your gifts

Magenta · Jun 17, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

I thought she would make a rather perfect Eve... there were a couple of threads about
Genesis ongoing at the time, and I had over forty tabs open looking at various images,
wanting to close some of the tabs but also trying to make sure I did not close a tab
before seeing something I hadn't yet seen, when I came across her... and I immediately
saved her and started work on that panel, the image itself was so inspiring! .

Magenta · Jun 17, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

She is Pihla Viitala, the woman who played the main character cop in a Finnish murder mystery
series. I think it was originally a black and white photo of her; I really enjoyed the series and her
as an actress .

. I did make the image more sepia, her eyes blues, and gave her lips colour...

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Magenta said:

i agree she fits the garden perfectly and also brought my mind back to real cartoons back in the old days sort of a nostalgia moment I appreciate that

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Magenta said:

Yes I was thinking in a gallery if someone lined up a bunch of your work and the. That was in the middle lol I’d probably think “ wait wait , that’s not a “ magenta “ lol

I just say that because the great use of vibrant colors are sort of a signature I’d recognize one anywhere I th ink

Lafftur · Jun 17, 2023

Niki7 said:

Who CREATED the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL?

Did that tree CHOOSE to be EVIL?

Pilgrimshope · Jun 17, 2023

Niki7 said:

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if the light is good and it’s seperwted from the darkness then evil was there but it was separated from mankind in the beginning hence the commandment “ the knowledge of good and evil is not for you you’ll certainly die don’t eat of it “

sin was there but man didn’t have it in them we were made to walk only in the light separated from darkness before we were created

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the true light that seperates good and evil now is the gospel

“In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ( bexauae itnis contrary to light and good )

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:4-5, 9-10, 12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Like adam the light is shining for us but some won’t approach it they are comfortable in the shadows

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

On some level we start hearing the word and we realize “ this is going to take away my excuses to keep sinning “ so sometimes we wait and won’t come into the light that will shine righteousness and truth in our hearts knowing it will take our sin

Niki7 · Jun 17, 2023

Lafftur said:

I think you must have forgotten that God has knowledge of all things. However, everything He created, He declared to be good.

Why do you insist that God created evil when the Bible states the opposite? Knowledge means to know and understand about something. It means to be aware of something. That does not mean you cause it to become a reality.

Again, it is the choice of humans that caused the evil to become a reality. Not God.

Did you miss where the Bible states that all that God created was good? Each day of creation, God called what He had created as good. It's in Genesis for your understanding.

You don't seem able to respond with actual scripture that indicates what you believe. In order to better understand what you seem to be having difficulty with, you need to take into the equation of understanding the Bible as a whole and not try to chop it up to fit what you think is true.

The truth is that God did not create evil and you will not find any such indication in scripture. Did God possess the KNOWLEDGE of evil? He is God. He is not surprised by it but He did not put that knowledge into His human creation. We see their knowledge of evil come into being when they disobeyed.

Fundaamental · Jun 17, 2023

Lafftur said:

It's possible the tree was created to hold a reflection of Good in the form of Knowledge for God's ministering angels.

It's also possible it was linked to the tree of life.

Kind of like a database for God's ministering angels to access.

But the tree it's self was probably incapable of becoming wicked.
Unless of cause it held some kind of Venus fly trap qualities it could of become a man eater.

Lafftur · Jun 17, 2023

Niki7 said:

The Truth is that God DID create evil and it is GOOD that He did because He wanted us to have a CHOICE because He wants us to choose to love Him. He does not want robots.

Love MUST have a CHOICE.

And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen.2.9,Gen.2.8&version=NKJV

God told Adam and Eve NOT to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. ALL the other trees, including the tree of Life were okay to eat.

It was a choice…. God made sure Adam and Eve had a CHOICE.

Everything God made is good and has been made for His Plan and Purposes.

We’re learning how to choose the good and reject the evil…. How to obey God when He says, “I set before you Life and Death. CHOOSE Life.”

resto · Jun 18, 2023

p_rehbein said:

True That. I learned early on that if I ever ask God why, I couldn't understand His reasoning. His Thoughts are not my thoughts. Another reason I never ask why is because I was a decorated E5 in the Marines when I got saved. Asking "Why" in the USMC never crossed our minds. Never heard or spoke that word in The Corps back in the day

Ever wonder Why?….

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