EVIL TREE

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WHAT HAPPEN TO THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL

  • DESTROYED

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • HIIDDEN AWAY

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • DONT KNOW

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .
Cycel said:
From an earlier time if you like, but there is no mention of the water's creation. Genesis does not explain where the water came from, it is simply there and God is described as hovering over it.

My son’s New Oxford Annotated Bible explains that “the text does not describe creation out of nothing (contrast 2 Macc 7.28). Instead, the story emphasizes how God creates order from a watery chaos.” (NOAB, p. 11)


When were the planets created? On day four when the stars and the greater and lesser light were formed.

“In a critical response to non-Israelite cultures who worshiped these heavenly bodies, the bodies are not named and are identified as mere timekeepers.” (NOAB, p. 12)
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I think your full of deceit myself. Genesis might not specifically explain where the water came from but the Holy Ghost knows. Thus, in Genesis 1:2, did the Holy Ghost move upon the water or did he walk upon the water? Where there waves in the water? Sitting in the sun they must have moving with the tides right?

As far as when the planets where created? Unless you are willing to put a thus sayeth the LORD God before your response then then I am of the opinion that 1 John 2:27 is sufficient to conclude that you neither know what the two great lights are since Genesis is probably foolishness to you since your probably hold that the Inflation theory is the cosmology model of the enlightened?

And what, pray tell are the two great lights? The two bodies are named, actually the two are one kind of like a man and his wife shall be one.

As written in John 11:9-10
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Look forward to your response.
 
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Cycel said:
What has changed? God previously guarded against Man acquiring immortality. Adam was driven from paradise to prevent it happening. Why does he relent now; or rather, why did he promise 2000 years ago to offer at last what he has always refused to grant? Note, it is still, after 2000 years, an unkept promise.
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What has changed is that Jesus Christ became sin in order to defeat sin and it's natural consequence:death. Christ deliver His people from sin and death (through His incarnation, sacrifice and resurrection) and gives people eternal life.
God only forbade Adam to eat from the tree of life after Adam sinned (so, after Adam felt outside of God) in order to prevent the spiritual handicap of Adam to become permanent (eternal).

Cycel said:
Oh, and receiving immortality in death is not the same as receiving immortality in life.
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What do you mean here?
If Adam ate from the tree of life he would have received immortality in death (because after he ate from the tree of knowledge, he died spiritually, he felt outside of God).
We still die, but our deaths are no longer permanent: that's why christianity depends on the Resurrection of Christ.
 
GuessWho said:
What has changed is that Jesus Christ became sin in order to defeat sin and it's natural consequence:death. Christ deliver His people from sin and death (through His incarnation, sacrifice and resurrection) and gives people eternal life.
God only forbade Adam to eat from the tree of life after Adam sinned (so, after Adam felt outside of God) in order to prevent the spiritual handicap of Adam to become permanent (eternal).



What do you mean here?
If Adam ate from the tree of life he would have received immortality in death (because after he ate from the tree of knowledge, he died spiritually, he felt outside of God).
We still die, but our deaths are no longer permanent: that's why christianity depends on the Resurrection of Christ.
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Adam was never eating from the tree of life before ?

Was man created eternal ?
 
ELECT said:
Adam was never eating from the tree of life before ?

Was man created eternal ?
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How do we know that he was never eating from the tree of life before? The interdiction was only for the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not for the tree of life.

And what has this to do with what I said?
 
As for the question of whether Adam was created eternal or not, I don't think so. Only God is eternal (without beginning and whithout end). Since Adam has a beginning, it means that he is not eternal...
 
Zmouth said:
I think your full of deceit myself.
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What is it you think I am concealing or misrepresenting? Please, be forthright. Allow me to defend myself.

Zmouth said:
Genesis might not specifically explain where the water came...
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Genesis doesn't explain the presence of the water at all. It is simply there prior to the acts of creation. Think about it though. God must have an abode. Perhaps this is it? He can't just hang about for eons in nothingness. In Canaanite mythology this primordial sea is central to the creation story, as it is in the Babylonian myth of creation. It is out of this chaos that the gods make the world. If you want to learn more about the biblical connections start here:

Yam (god) - New World Encyclopedia
 
GuessWho said:
As for the question of whether Adam was created eternal or not, I don't think so. Only God is eternal (without beginning and whithout end). Since Adam has a beginning, it means that he is not eternal...
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Adam was created to live forever, it was sin that caused his death and all of ours.
 
GuessWho said:
How do we know that he was never eating from the tree of life before? The interdiction was only for the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not for the tree of life.
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Read the passage again. God drives Adam from the garden specifically to stop him from eating from the Tree of Life and living forever.
 
Cycel said:
Read the passage again. God drives Adam from the garden specifically to stop him from eating from the Tree of Life and living forever.
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Exactly they were driven from the garden for two reasons, one so they could not eat of the tree of life and second so that by the sweat of their brow they should eat and till and fight thorns and weeds. Because in the garden the just plucked fruit provided by God.
 
Kerry said:
Adam was created to live forever...
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Adam never got the chance to live forever because he chose the wrong fruit first.

Kerry said:
... it was sin that caused his death and all of ours.
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Was it sin that killed him or his failure to eat from the Tree of Life? Without partaking of it he could not live forever.
 
Kerry said:
Exactly they were driven from the garden for two reasons, one so they could not eat of the tree of life and second so that by the sweat of their brow they should eat and till and fight thorns and weeds. Because in the garden the just plucked fruit provided by God.
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In Canaanite mythology Eden is the home of the gods. This explains quite well why the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge are located where they are. These are both trees that give the gods the attributes they possess. Adam is specifically told not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. He does and gains knowledge that is intended only for the gods. When this happens he is driven from the garden before he has a chance to eat from the other tree with magical properties: The Tree of Life.

Then the Lord God said, “See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”...
(NOAB).

If Adam has become like one of the gods then is mortality all that stands between him and true godhood? Is that why he is driven from the garden? Does God say anything about Adam sinning? I don’t think so.

Adam disobeyed, yes, but that disobedience gained him something valuable: the knowledge of the gods. It was this, I think, that gave his descendants the ability to construct a famous tower.

And the Lord God said, “Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” (NOAB, Gen 11:6-7)

And God spread them over the face of all the earth. Doesn’t it seem to you that in the first instance, with the Tree of Knowledge, and the Tree of Life, and then again in the second instance with the Tower of Babel, God is guarding his superiority over man?

Did you catch what God said? “... and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing they propose to do will now be impossible for them.” God’s action was designed to create conflict among men. They were all of one language and working co-operatively. God’s intervention was designed to end that co-operation! And so it has, to this very day!

Interesting turn in the interpretation, wouldn’t you say?
 
Cycel said:
Read the passage again. God drives Adam from the garden specifically to stop him from eating from the Tree of Life and living forever.
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Yes, that is after Adam sinned, like I already said and also explained why (to not rend permanent the state of sin/of separation from God in which Adam was after eating from the tree of knowledge). There is NO interdiction of eating from the tree of life before the falling of Adam.

Read more careful what I say.
 
Great comment, since we did eat and now have enfluence of both good and evil we must remember god originally made us in his image and greater is he who is in us.
 
childOFgod94 said:
Great comment, since we did eat and now have enfluence of both good and evil we must remember god originally made us in his image and greater is he who is in us.
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If God made us in His image and He knew what was both good and evil
Why were we not created to know both good and evil ?
 
Cycel said:
In Canaanite mythology Eden is the home of the gods. This explains quite well why the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge are located where they are. These are both trees that give the gods the attributes they possess. Adam is specifically told not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. He does and gains knowledge that is intended only for the gods. When this happens he is driven from the garden before he has a chance to eat from the other tree with magical properties: The Tree of Life.

Then the Lord God said, “See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”...
(NOAB).

If Adam has become like one of the gods then is mortality all that stands between him and true godhood? Is that why he is driven from the garden? Does God say anything about Adam sinning? I don’t think so.

Adam disobeyed, yes, but that disobedience gained him something valuable: the knowledge of the gods. It was this, I think, that gave his descendants the ability to construct a famous tower.

And the Lord God said, “Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” (NOAB, Gen 11:6-7)

And God spread them over the face of all the earth. Doesn’t it seem to you that in the first instance, with the Tree of Knowledge, and the Tree of Life, and then again in the second instance with the Tower of Babel, God is guarding his superiority over man?

Did you catch what God said? “... and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing they propose to do will now be impossible for them.” God’s action was designed to create conflict among men. They were all of one language and working co-operatively. God’s intervention was designed to end that co-operation! And so it has, to this very day!

Interesting turn in the interpretation, wouldn’t you say?
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Are you saying God created Adam unwise ?
 
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