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[posthuman]

The tinkering of which shall make man a god. Tower of Babel time.

IMO the think that mankind will be tinkering with that will bring the wrath of God is trying to reverse the effects of sin -- to defeat death.
particle physics to me isn't an affront to God -- not materially different than harnessing fire or steam or oxen and putting them to work -- whereas trying to undo the judgement of Genesis 3, is.

 

[FaithAlone]

i am thinking that the Copenhagen interpretation + the observer effect = Romans 11:36, Colossians 1:17, Hebrews 1:3, Acts 17:28 etc

By Copenhagen interpretation I assume that you’re referring to the 1935 paper by Schrodinger and Einstein from which the Schrodinger’s Cat illustration of what he and Einstein had issues with quantum mechanics about.

I don’t see where you’re going with this though.

FA

 

[FaithAlone]

Personally, what concerns me is when well-meaning people assume that the only feasible, Bible-respecting position is that of an earth/universe just a few thousand years old. This is often referred to as the young-earth position. I do not wish to step on any toes here.

FA

 

[posthuman]

By Copenhagen interpretation I assume that you’re referring to the 1935 paper by Schrodinger and Einstein from which the Schrodinger’s Cat illustration of what he and Einstein had issues with quantum mechanics about.

I don’t see where you’re going with this though.

FA

Schrödinger actually came up with the cat example in opposition to Bohr et all -- the idea was that the box was such an absurd idea it would make the Copenhagen interpretation seem silly. it does however, turn out to be true. it's how you test whether bombs are duds or not, for example, without blowing them up. it works.
the cat is neither dead nor alive, nor both nor neither, but doesn't really exist at all outside of probability space, until it is observed. existence is something done to a 'something' rather than an inherent quality of it; it's dependent on an outside observer ((by Him all things consist))

so how does the universe exist? who observes all the universe, over all time? if there was a 'big bang' of a singularity within which all space and time consisted in a single point, someone had to observe that, else it couldn't exist. someone who is not part of the created universe, unbound by & separate from space, time, matter and energy. and that observer gives all that is existence by regarding it -- speaking it, you might say.

Heisenberg considered consciousness a fundamental of the universe; there has to be a consciousness that observes the universe in order for the universe to exist. so -- quantum physics reveals the existence of God; it demands it.

in an algebraic sense another instance of this proof is Gödel's incompleteness theorem applied to the universe as a time-sequenced complex system: there has to be something unprovable in the universe as a logical system without something outside the universe; an axiom. the universe itself cannot explain the universe; there must be something outside the universe: creation demands an uncreated Creator ((and this isn't saying it circularly)), which is to say, Colossians 1:16 -- by Him all things were created, and He is not created, but He is "I AM THAT I AM" -- the eternally self-existing God, the 'First Cause'

 

[TabinRivCA]

Welcome FA nice to have you joining the fellowship here at CC! Hope to see you at the Forums, God bless you

 

[Alesal]

Hi. I have been active in a couple of Bible forums in the past, but not much for years. I was quite active. When I checked one out recently I discovered that users were not very considerate or as respectful as they should be. I realize that many feel strongly about certain doctrines, but we should try to respect others positions. Also their server was vvveeerrryyy slow.

Personally, must FYI, I’m an old guy, who loves the Lord and has spent tons of time studying, reading and memorizing scripture - love it!

Also, I teach science and math. So I love to discuss science-Bible topics, age of the earth or universe, etc..

FA

Hello can you suggest any reading concerning these topics and their relation to each other? I’m looking for meaning in the chaos.

 

[oyster67]

Hello can you suggest any reading concerning these topics and their relation to each other? I’m looking for meaning in the chaos.

You are very wise to realize that there is no meaning to be found outside of an ever-growing personal walk with Jesus. It won't be long. Let's help each other get our bags all packed and ready to go. Let's have our lamps trimmed and burnin' for the hour of His returnin'

Let's walk on together with Jesus. Let this meaningless choas cause us to draw us closer to Him.

Romans
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
5:3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 

[Shandy]

Welcome to Cc @FaithAlone
Your introduction was brry interesting. I loved maths but opted out of science. I chose biology but when they started soaking dead rats in metholated spirit and cut them up I lost all interest. So I look forward to reading your posts.
I am on another forum too and experience the same problem you describe, so I just boycott those threads. I love the solution @Deuteronomy gave.
I think you will find good fellowship here.
God Bless

 

[Deade]

Hello FaithAlone, welcome to Christian Chat. I hope you'll enjoy your stay here.

 

[Deade]

Hi Faith Alone. I am new here as well. Were any of the divisions in your Bible study over issues related to politics, race or COVID?

Hello jfea, welcome to Christian Chat. I hope you'll enjoy your stay here. One post and you quit us? Come on back and post some more!