Faith without works issue .

[crossnote]

When James wrote James 2:21, he was not writing New Testament doctrine for the Body of Christ. He was writing to “the twelve tribes” of Israel (James 1:1) in the Tribulation (Rev. 12:17). Look at James 2:21, “Was not Abraham OUR FATHER....” He is talking to a race of people which could trace their origin back to Abraham. He is not talking about Abraham being the father of “the faithful,” as in Galatians 3.

And Peter?...

1 Peter 1:23 CSB
[23] because you have been born again-not of perishable seed but of imperishable-through the living and enduring word of God.

Tsk tsk, these Jewish Apostles talking about being born again!

 

[throughfaith]

In the Old Testament, faith was a personal belief between a man and God on a specific thing God told him. That is why Habakkuk 2:4 said, “The just shall live by HIS faith.” God’s message wasn’t necessarily the same thing for every one (see Heb. 11). Today everyone has the same message: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.” In the New Testament it is not just “your faith” (Rom. 1:8), it is “the faith of God” (Rom. 3:3) and “the faith of Jesus Christ” (Gal. 2:16).

 

[throughfaith]

James 2:22, “By works was FAITH MADE PERFECT.” That isn’t your faith. No works can complete your faith. Your faith is perfect the moment you trust Christ, because the object of your faith is perfect.

 

[throughfaith]

When were you saved? (from Scripture).

Eph 1.13
Kjv
12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Faith itself is A work we must be in Jesus Christ efforts not our own.

Itis the work of God we believe in the one he sent ... John 6

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18¶Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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Not by our own works, but if we ourselves are a works of God then we are made for good works . But if we don't do good works then likely we ourselves are not works of God. So does works save us? If they are made in the Lord Messiah. If the Lord is your head, then you will have the need to do good spiritual works. That is a living faith, and living faith is the way of salvation.

Trees are known by fruits, but what is a fruitless tree if not a man without good works?

 

[crossnote]

When James wrote James 2:21, he was not writing New Testament doctrine for the Body of Christ. He was writing to “the twelve tribes” of Israel (James 1:1) in the Tribulation (Rev. 12:17). Look at James 2:21, “Was not Abraham OUR FATHER....” He is talking to a race of people which could trace their origin back to Abraham. He is not talking about Abraham being the father of “the faithful,” as in Galatians 3.

You are flat wrong...

Galatians 3:7-8 (KJV) Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Your bent Mid-Acts theology needs some straightening.

 

[throughfaith]

You are flat wrong...

Galatians 3:7-8 (KJV) Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Your bent MidActs theology needs some straightening.

How does that explain how Abraham was imputed righteousness and how he was justified ? His salvation was not the same. Its a ' type ' .

 

[crossnote]

How does that explain how Abraham was imputed righteousness and how he was justified ? His salvation was not the same. Its a ' type ' .

In post#159 you were trying to make a case that what James was saying did not apply to us because James was a different race (that of Abraham). I was just showing that where it comes to matters of faith, Abraham is also our Father.
But now, you are trying to make a case that Abraham's salvation is different, his justification was different. What other errors would you like to offer?

 

[throughfaith]

In post#159 you were trying to make a case that what James was saying did not apply to us because James was a different race (that of Abraham). I was just showing that where it comes to matters of faith, Abraham is also our Father.
But now, you are trying to make a case that Abraham's salvation is different, his justification was different. What other errors would you like to offer?

1. Abraham was not a “son of God”; you are. 2. Abraham was not spiritually circumcised; you are. 3. Abraham was not in the Body of Christ; you are. 4. Abraham’s soul did not go to the third heaven at death; . 5. Abraham’s sins were not “taken away”;
Abraham did not experience the new birth .

 

[throughfaith]

In post#159 you were trying to make a case that what James was saying did not apply to us because James was a different race (that of Abraham). I was just showing that where it comes to matters of faith, Abraham is also our Father.
But now, you are trying to make a case that Abraham's salvation is different, his justification was different. What other errors would you like to offer?

OUR justification takes place the second that God imputes HIS righteousness to you (2 Cor. 5:21). Many miss the difference between God’s righteousness imputed to the New Testament Christian and Abraham’s ACT of faith being imputed to him for righteousness (Gen. 15:6). 6¶And he believed in the LORD; and he counted IT to him for righteousness.

 

[throughfaith]

In post#159 you were trying to make a case that what James was saying did not apply to us because James was a different race (that of Abraham). I was just showing that where it comes to matters of faith, Abraham is also our Father.
But now, you are trying to make a case that Abraham's salvation is different, his justification was different. What other errors would you like to offer?

This is how some misread Romans 4:23–24 as follows: “Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him. But the same thing will be imputed to us that was imputed to him if we believe something he didn’t believe!”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1. Abraham was not a “son of God”; .

If this is not blasphemy I do not know what is

 

[throughfaith]

In post#159 you were trying to make a case that what James was saying did not apply to us because James was a different race (that of Abraham). I was just showing that where it comes to matters of faith, Abraham is also our Father.
But now, you are trying to make a case that Abraham's salvation is different, his justification was different. What other errors would you like to offer?

Rahab did not get any “righteousness” imputed to her as Abraham did. But she still got justified—by WORKS

 

[crossnote]

1. Abraham was not a “son of God”; you are. 2. Abraham was not spiritually circumcised; you are. 3. Abraham was not in the Body of Christ; you are. 4. Abraham’s soul did not go to the third heaven at death; . 5. Abraham’s sins were not “taken away”;
Abraham did not experience the new birth .

Sir, you are now on IGNORE

 

[Guojing]

If this is not blasphemy I do not know what is

Would it also be blasphemous to you if he were to claim Abraham is not in heaven, at this moment?

 

[throughfaith]

Sir, you are now on IGNORE

Of course .