Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?

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dcontroversal

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but look at 1 corinthians 6:9-11 it does mention some sins that will keep you. these corinthians however were like that but changed because of Christ
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NO it doesn't..........either ALL sins are forgiven or one is lost.....JESUS said.....IT IS FINISHED <----legal accounting term....PAID in full.....for a believer...where in abounds GRACE abounds the more....and GOD will CHASTEN when a believer walks contrary...he only WHIPS children....the ONLY SIN that = never saved is denying the work of CHRIST......UNBELIEF
 
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dcontroversal said:
NO it doesn't..........either ALL sins are forgiven or one is lost.....JESUS said.....IT IS FINISHED <----legal accounting term....PAID in full.....for a believer...where in abounds GRACE abounds the more....and GOD will CHASTEN when a believer walks contrary...he only WHIPS children....the ONLY SIN that = never saved is denying the work of CHRIST......UNBELIEF
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Like I said according to you catholics are saved. And so are all denominations who believe. Forget what they do. They are saved once they believe according to you. Homosexuals, murderers, adulterers. If they believe they are saved?
 
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dcontroversal said:
NO it doesn't..........either ALL sins are forgiven or one is lost.....JESUS said.....IT IS FINISHED <----legal accounting term....PAID in full.....for a believer...where in abounds GRACE abounds the more....and GOD will CHASTEN when a believer walks contrary...he only WHIPS children....the ONLY SIN that = never saved is denying the work of CHRIST......UNBELIEF
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actualy it does. "will not inherit". same st.paul who said all those things like not of works. but this is more like absence or lack of evil works

why do you say no it doesnt when it does????
 
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TLC209 said:
Where did you come up with that? What baptist church do you attend. Your buddy need some reassurance. I know you guys are two peas in a pod.

Only sin keeping someone out of heaven is unbelief? So catholics are saved then? They believe.
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NO....they do not believe....they believe in a gospel that has NO POWER.....nice try, no dice.......and one thing everyone needs to get over.....there is but one gospel that has power to save....embellish it or take away from it = a gospel of a different kind with NO POWER to save----> MANY will say in that day...LORD, LORD have we NOT DONE blah, blah, blah in your name <----JESUS said HE NEVER KNEW THEM.......FAITH PLUS = NO SALVATION
 
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dcontroversal said:
NO....they do not believe....they believe in a gospel that has NO POWER.....nice try, no dice.......and one thing everyone needs to get over.....there is but one gospel that has power to save....embellish it or take away from it = a gospel of a different kind with NO POWER to save----> MANY will say in that day...LORD, LORD have we NOT DONE blah, blah, blah in your name <----JESUS said HE NEVER KNEW THEM.......FAITH PLUS = NO SALVATION
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Share with me your gospel so i can be saved. Please brother. Share your gospel that saved you... do me the honors
 
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TLC209 said:
Like I said according to you catholics are saved. And so are all denominations who believe. Forget what they do. They are saved once they believe according to you. Homosexuals, murderers, adulterers. If they believe they are saved?
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Like most religionists...you embellish and TWIST what I said.....proves you have NO honesty, integrity and or are just not listening
 
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dcontroversal said:
Like most religionists...you embellish and TWIST what I said.....proves you have NO honesty, integrity and or are just not listening
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No you just have words that blow with the wind. I stand on a rock called Christ and His Holy Word.
 
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Melach said:
actualy it does. "will not inherit".

why do you say no it doesnt when it does???????
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YEP....same in REVELATION.....so LET us take this to a logical conclusion....

The bible states ALL liars will have their part in the lake of fire
The bible states that ALL men are liars
NO one is saved or will be saved by your logic

You do understand that he states SUCH were some of YOU........use your head!!
 
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TLC209 said:
No you just have words that blow with the wind. I stand on a rock called Christ and His Holy Word.
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SURE you do.....which JESUS is that? Not the one of the bible...HE paid the entire SIN debt of the whole world...YOUR JESUS left a few off the list.......
 
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Share with me your gospel so i can be saved. Please brother. Share your gospel that saved you... do me the honors
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I suggest that you actually TRUST JESUS by faith.........WHEN I SEE the blood I WILL pass over you.....try the blood of CHRIST.......and the HOPE the bible sets forth.....
 
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TLC209 said:
Only sin keeping someone out of heaven is unbelief? So catholics are saved then? They believe.
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Remember the saved in sin crowd's trick is to say you have to believe but you cant say repentance is required because saying what Jesus and Paul says is works salvation. So its just believe in Jesus and try not to sin or you'll get chastened, but if you commit adultery occasionally its okay, David did it and he was still saved. You can never out sin God's grace after all......... and we sit here wondering why Christianity is at the state that it is when this trash is preached?

1 Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-6 are explained away or ignored by the go and sin some more crowd. "Jesus paid it all, so you can sin some more"
Sending multitudes to the pits, unfortunately this NEW osas doctrine didnt even exist until lazy comfort loving american rich pastors and theologians got their greasy hands on the Gospel. They twisted it from repentance faith holy living to saved in sins continue in sins make a breakthrough maybe McDonalds christianity.

Unheard of in church history, for a good reason.
 
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TLC209 said:
Where did you come up with that? What baptist church do you attend. Your buddy need some reassurance. I know you guys are two peas in a pod.

Only sin keeping someone out of heaven is unbelief? So catholics are saved then? They believe.
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Do they really? Believe means much more than having knowledge of an historical event, it is personal.
 
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TooFastTurtle said:
Remember the saved in sin crowd's trick is to say you have to believe but you cant say repentance is required because saying what Jesus and Paul says is works salvation. So its just believe in Jesus and try not to sin or you'll get chastened, but if you commit adultery occasionally its okay, David did it and he was still saved. You can never out sin God's grace after all......... and we sit here wondering why Christianity is at the state that it is when this trash is preached?

1 Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-6 are explained away or ignored by the go and sin some more crowd. "Jesus paid it all, so you can sin some more"
Sending multitudes to the pits, unfortunately this NEW osas doctrine didnt even exist until lazy comfort loving american rich pastors and theologians got their greasy hands on the Gospel. They twisted it from repentance faith holy living to saved in sins continue in sins make a breakthrough maybe McDonalds christianity.

Unheard of in church history, for a good reason.
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I think not!
 
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I dont claim to be righteous. Jesus taught no one is righteous but God. So why would I be foolish enough to think myself righteous.

The Holy Spirit who has made me a new creature has put righteousness in me. I am not righteous. I can only seek to live in Spirit and not my own fleshly desires. They war with eachother. Thats why putting off the old man is a daily thing.

The old me was a criminal. A gangster a whoremonger, an adulterer a drunkard, brawler, evil, full of ego and pride having no God. As Paul says which is what most of us once were. But we are now new creatures.

Do you think I want to attack you or put you down? I want to walk as brothers and build eachother up. Iron sharpens iron. But some of the things you say dont edify. Just bring strife and division. Is that your goal? Cuz if its not your failing at your approach. I see you do it all the time.

God bless you. You can disregard me or say something that has substance otherwise I got no time for this back and forth with you. I actually want to grow in Christ. You apparently are full blown matured and blossemed waiting for some pruning. Smh
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So did God change you or not?

If he changed you and made you a new creature, then your focus should be on hi, Now trying not to commit certain sins, or if you do happen to fall. Think God will kick you out of his family because you failed

My only beef is you thinking we can sin our way out of salvation. Instead of continuing to look at God to continue to change you
 
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Melach said:
but look at 1 corinthians 6:9-11 it does mention some sins that will keep you. these corinthians however were like that but changed because of Christ
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Yes, It does not say they stopped those sins, it says they were washed, Justified and sanctified.
 
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TLC209 said:
No you just have words that blow with the wind. I stand on a rock called Christ and His Holy Word.
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Well then you would not argue against..... salvation and justification and being born again.
 
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dcontroversal said:
YEP....same in REVELATION.....so LET us take this to a logical conclusion....

The bible states ALL liars will have their part in the lake of fire
The bible states that ALL men are liars
NO one is saved or will be saved by your logic

You do understand that he states SUCH were some of YOU........use your head!!
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Yeah use your head, they repented, WERE -> are not anymore. = forgiven.

All men are liars until they repent

Good grief. Is this what happens in bible colleges in america?
 
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dcontroversal

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TooFastTurtle said:
Remember the saved in sin crowd's trick is to say you have to believe but you cant say repentance is required because saying what Jesus and Paul says is works salvation. So its just believe in Jesus and try not to sin or you'll get chastened, but if you commit adultery occasionally its okay, David did it and he was still saved. You can never out sin God's grace after all......... and we sit here wondering why Christianity is at the state that it is when this trash is preached?

1 Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-6 are explained away or ignored by the go and sin some more crowd. "Jesus paid it all, so you can sin some more"
Sending multitudes to the pits, unfortunately this NEW osas doctrine didnt even exist until lazy comfort loving american rich pastors and theologians got their greasy hands on the Gospel. They twisted it from repentance faith holy living to saved in sins continue in sins make a breakthrough maybe McDonalds christianity.

Unheard of in church history, for a good reason.
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You do know that ALL liars will have their part in the proverbial lake-o-fire right.....the above is false......and no one peddles the blather and drivel you are falsely accusing of........I suggest Proverbs 6.....one of the 7 God hates is a lying tongue and the above = a lying tongue
 
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TLC209 said:
Where did you come up with that? What baptist church do you attend. Your buddy need some reassurance. I know you guys are two peas in a pod.

Only sin keeping someone out of heaven is unbelief? So catholics are saved then? They believe.
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They do not have faith

Why do you think mere belief will save anyone

baptist?

Dude you need to stop thinking you know people.
 
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TLC209 said:
Like I said according to you catholics are saved. And so are all denominations who believe. Forget what they do. They are saved once they believe according to you. Homosexuals, murderers, adulterers. If they believe they are saved?
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There you go attacking again, Saying someone is doing something they are not doing.

Thats a typical sign man..
 
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