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[h=1]Luke 18:15New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]15 People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them.
Here we see people bringing infants to be blessed by Jesus which is basically what infant baptism is, a blessing.
The reason people fall away even after baptism and belief are because free will doesn't change. We are told to have faith thats all we must do is have a true faith.
That's the whole major issue. That trust, that belief, that faith in him. Faith starts weak and it must grow. If it doesn't grow it's easier and more prone to die. But as we see with the disciples and the early church. Faith can be strong one moment but weak the next.
So this only indicates we are in a relationship with God. A trust and reliance relationship. An acknowledgment of one's complete need for a savior.
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[h=1]Philippians 1:6New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Paul had all the signs from these people to be confident but confidence is different than being absolute. [/FONT]
[h=1]Philippians 2:12-13New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
Here is how God completes his work in us by our continuance to yield to the work of God within us. Continuance is key. Of course God will carry it to completion (Phil 1:6) as we are willing to abide and obey. (Phil 2:12-13)
Otherwise we grow weak like a plant without the water of life. And many have and will fall away. Fall away- rebellion
Apostasy- the end result of continued rebellion.
Notice many fall away for a time but many return. Some do not return. Its life. Free will exists before saving and after.
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[h=1]Mark 13:22New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Evil still rages war before and after saving. To undermine this gives satan a foothold. [/FONT]
Here we see people bringing infants to be blessed by Jesus which is basically what infant baptism is, a blessing.
The reason people fall away even after baptism and belief are because free will doesn't change. We are told to have faith thats all we must do is have a true faith.
That's the whole major issue. That trust, that belief, that faith in him. Faith starts weak and it must grow. If it doesn't grow it's easier and more prone to die. But as we see with the disciples and the early church. Faith can be strong one moment but weak the next.
So this only indicates we are in a relationship with God. A trust and reliance relationship. An acknowledgment of one's complete need for a savior.
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[h=1]Philippians 1:6New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Paul had all the signs from these people to be confident but confidence is different than being absolute. [/FONT]
[h=1]Philippians 2:12-13New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
Here is how God completes his work in us by our continuance to yield to the work of God within us. Continuance is key. Of course God will carry it to completion (Phil 1:6) as we are willing to abide and obey. (Phil 2:12-13)
Otherwise we grow weak like a plant without the water of life. And many have and will fall away. Fall away- rebellion
Apostasy- the end result of continued rebellion.
Notice many fall away for a time but many return. Some do not return. Its life. Free will exists before saving and after.
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[h=1]Mark 13:22New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Evil still rages war before and after saving. To undermine this gives satan a foothold. [/FONT]
