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So like I understand we are to be slow to anger and quick to forgiveness. I understand we are to love our neighbors, to love others, and to be humble.
But what if someone came at you? Like you try to prevent a situation, yet they are persistent. Getting in your face screaming, to a point where they want to fight you. How would you handle this?
But what if someone came at you? Like you try to prevent a situation, yet they are persistent. Getting in your face screaming, to a point where they want to fight you. How would you handle this?
If they came at me for the sake of the gospel, then I would not defend myself.
If they just came at me because they were looking for trouble, then I would probably knock them into another time zone.
I know that my first answer is the proper way to respond, but my second answer may be the improper way to respond.
I am just being honest, but, again, my second answer could be the wrong answer.
If they just came at me because they were looking for trouble, then I would probably knock them into another time zone.
I know that my first answer is the proper way to respond, but my second answer may be the improper way to respond.
I am just being honest, but, again, my second answer could be the wrong answer.
I had a situation where I was shopping in a store, and I, as well as everybody else in the store, heard a man getting very loud and aggressive towards the woman he was with. I sensed that it was about to escalate to the point where he was going to hit her, so I quickly surveyed the store with my eyes to see if there might be some security officer there, and I saw none. Instead, I saw a bunch of elderly women, and a bunch of teenage boys and girls, and I quickly came to the realization that if things did escalate, then I was realistically the only person there who might be able to stop it. Sure enough, a few seconds later, the man punched the woman in her face, As I worked my way towards them from behind (because of where I was located in the store), she tried to fight back, and he hit her a few more times. I had a few options. I could have done nothing. I could have grabbed or tackled the man from behind while trying to physically restrain him. I could have punched him in the back or side of his head. Instead, I grabbed his right shoulder from behind while forcibly swinging him around to the point where he was now facing me, and I said something to the effect of "WHAT ARE YOU DOING, MAN?!?" He hesitated for a couple of seconds, and then he took off out of the store.
What if he hadn't taken off?
What if he came at me aggressively, or what if he attempted to hit the woman again?
If he came at me, and I just let him hit me, then I would be taking the only realistic option for the woman's safety (me) out of the equation, and he would have been free to continue to assault her. Had he made an aggressive move towards either me or the woman, then I would have punched him right in his face without the slightest bit of hesitation. Had that happened, or had I punched him, would God have been angry with me or pleased with me? This is a sincere question, and I am genuinely curious as to what your answer, or anybody else's answer, would be. Had I done nothing, and had the man continued to assault the woman, what would the other people in the store have thought about me? How would I have felt afterwards if I just stood by idly while a man publicly beat a woman? I would have been deeply ashamed of myself, and I don't know if I would ever have gotten over it.
If someone can rationally show me, preferably from scripture, that God would not want me to intervene in such a situation, and possibly to the point where I would need to hit such an individual for the safety of others, then I will certainly change my current mindset. Generally speaking, I am a totally non-violent person, and I think that I can honestly say before both God and anybody reading this that I have never once played the role of an antagonist in my entire life. That said, to my current beliefs, which I am willing to change, if need be, there may very well be times when fighting is justifiable.
What if he hadn't taken off?
What if he came at me aggressively, or what if he attempted to hit the woman again?
If he came at me, and I just let him hit me, then I would be taking the only realistic option for the woman's safety (me) out of the equation, and he would have been free to continue to assault her. Had he made an aggressive move towards either me or the woman, then I would have punched him right in his face without the slightest bit of hesitation. Had that happened, or had I punched him, would God have been angry with me or pleased with me? This is a sincere question, and I am genuinely curious as to what your answer, or anybody else's answer, would be. Had I done nothing, and had the man continued to assault the woman, what would the other people in the store have thought about me? How would I have felt afterwards if I just stood by idly while a man publicly beat a woman? I would have been deeply ashamed of myself, and I don't know if I would ever have gotten over it.
If someone can rationally show me, preferably from scripture, that God would not want me to intervene in such a situation, and possibly to the point where I would need to hit such an individual for the safety of others, then I will certainly change my current mindset. Generally speaking, I am a totally non-violent person, and I think that I can honestly say before both God and anybody reading this that I have never once played the role of an antagonist in my entire life. That said, to my current beliefs, which I am willing to change, if need be, there may very well be times when fighting is justifiable.
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Well it all depends how much bench press. I bench press about 500 pounds first thing in the morning without eating breakfast.
But who's going to fight you anyway @Talljake ? Aren't you like the tallest man in the world and look at people with binoculars from up there? How are people going to fight you? With a ladder?
But who's going to fight you anyway @Talljake ? Aren't you like the tallest man in the world and look at people with binoculars from up there? How are people going to fight you? With a ladder?
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I am a tall fella but hight doesn't win the fight. I'm not a fighter, in fact I try to deescalate any situation. I am just wondering if it is a sin to stand up for yourself. I know we are to turn away from hate and anger, I know we are to love our enemies, I also know Jesus told his disciples to buy a sword if they didn't have one.
If someone daily is being persistent on getting on you, when is enough, enough. Is it sinful to be this way?
If someone daily is being persistent on getting on you, when is enough, enough. Is it sinful to be this way?
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Standing up for yourself means different things to different people.
When we look at the life of apostles or saints throughout history, they definitely stood up for themselves unshaken in their conviction despite knowing they they might be tortured and killed. They stood up to kings and queens without any physical strength or weapons, but just in their faith in Christ.
So that's a general statement when you look at the lives of the apostles in the Bible.
Your situation might be unique depending on how much you want to reveal but i personally try to avoid physical fights not just now that i'm old and weak but even when i was younger my father who was in the military taught me the opposite of the fighting because he knew that nothing good came out of it.
But yes, when you're pushed into a corner, and again depending on the situation, like say trying to defend your family and you have no other choice, then yeah you might have to fight physically.
And you're going to win anyway because you're tall.
When we look at the life of apostles or saints throughout history, they definitely stood up for themselves unshaken in their conviction despite knowing they they might be tortured and killed. They stood up to kings and queens without any physical strength or weapons, but just in their faith in Christ.
So that's a general statement when you look at the lives of the apostles in the Bible.
Your situation might be unique depending on how much you want to reveal but i personally try to avoid physical fights not just now that i'm old and weak but even when i was younger my father who was in the military taught me the opposite of the fighting because he knew that nothing good came out of it.
But yes, when you're pushed into a corner, and again depending on the situation, like say trying to defend your family and you have no other choice, then yeah you might have to fight physically.
And you're going to win anyway because you're tall.
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Standing up for yourself means different things to different people.
When we look at the life of apostles or saints throughout history, they definitely stood up for themselves unshaken in their conviction despite knowing they they might be tortured and killed. They stood up to kings and queens without any physical strength or weapons, but just in their faith in Christ.
So that's a general statement when you look at the lives of the apostles in the Bible.
Your situation might be unique depending on how much you want to reveal but i personally try to avoid physical fights not just now that i'm old and weak but even when i was younger my father who was in the military taught me the opposite of the fighting because he knew that nothing good came out of it.
But yes, when you're pushed into a corner, and again depending on the situation, like say trying to defend your family and you have no other choice, then yeah you might have to fight physically.
And you're going to win anyway because you're tall.
When we look at the life of apostles or saints throughout history, they definitely stood up for themselves unshaken in their conviction despite knowing they they might be tortured and killed. They stood up to kings and queens without any physical strength or weapons, but just in their faith in Christ.
So that's a general statement when you look at the lives of the apostles in the Bible.
Your situation might be unique depending on how much you want to reveal but i personally try to avoid physical fights not just now that i'm old and weak but even when i was younger my father who was in the military taught me the opposite of the fighting because he knew that nothing good came out of it.
But yes, when you're pushed into a corner, and again depending on the situation, like say trying to defend your family and you have no other choice, then yeah you might have to fight physically.
And you're going to win anyway because you're tall.
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If someone attacks you, you have right to defend yourself. As last resort. Im not big fan of Chuck Norris. He told the truth When he once said, no one wins in fight, try to avoid fighting. Its about Discipline.
In September 2024. On bus, a man got in my face yelling and screaming for 30 seconds. He tried to bait me into fight. That's we're Discipline comes in. I ignored him.
Colonel Shaw of the 54 Massachusetts regiment, molded them into discipline. Its about Character. Apply wisdom. When not to fight, and when to fight.
Luke chapter 22
Jesus was about to fulfill Bible prophecy, Isaiah chapter 53 and Psalm chapter 22. Peter used his sword and cut off ear on one mob member who came to take Jesus to the sannhedren. Fur trial and later be crucified.
Here is wisdom of Jesus.
Peter stood in the way of God's will. Meaning, Peter acted unwisely in that situation. James 3:17. The wisdom that comes from the heart. Will help us know how to best handle respond in situations that might call for self defense.
I hope this helps you. Peace.
In September 2024. On bus, a man got in my face yelling and screaming for 30 seconds. He tried to bait me into fight. That's we're Discipline comes in. I ignored him.
Colonel Shaw of the 54 Massachusetts regiment, molded them into discipline. Its about Character. Apply wisdom. When not to fight, and when to fight.
Luke chapter 22
Jesus was about to fulfill Bible prophecy, Isaiah chapter 53 and Psalm chapter 22. Peter used his sword and cut off ear on one mob member who came to take Jesus to the sannhedren. Fur trial and later be crucified.
Here is wisdom of Jesus.
Peter stood in the way of God's will. Meaning, Peter acted unwisely in that situation. James 3:17. The wisdom that comes from the heart. Will help us know how to best handle respond in situations that might call for self defense.
I hope this helps you. Peace.
Just another thread where I've apparently spoken to nobody but myself. Does that make me want to fight somebody? No, not at all, but it does make me wonder, once again, where the "chat" part of ChristianChat is. Time for me to take a vacation from talking to myself throughout the forums.
I commend you for not wanting to fight. God bless you.
I commend you for not wanting to fight. God bless you.
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I enjoy reading your posts... I would think others read your posts also and get something out of them also even if they do not respond or leave a reaction. I am sorry you seem to feel that you are wasting your time here. I would say you are not, but I cannot claim to know God's purpose for you being here or if He wants you somewhere else, so I must remain silent on that point...
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When I first saw the question, I wondered what he meant. This question has come up from time to time about whether we are to defend ourselves and others, whether loved ones, or strangers, as in the scenario you presented, from violence. It is probably covered a number of times in the thread about Christians owning guns. Maybe that is why there are few responses? I don't know. Anyways, the reactions as you know are broken in Edge unless you use just the thumbs up or are on a phone. Just speaking for myself, I read far more than I respond to. Still, I do enjoy your perspective. There is a real depth to it as well as wacky humour...
Hey, don't encourage the wacky humor part.
Less than 2 weeks ago, someone got shot and killed in a store parking lot less than 10 minutes from where I work.
We live in a crazy world where a split second of indecision could literally be the difference between life and death. I like to be mentally prepared ahead of time so I can act quickly, if need be.
Like I said in a previous response, I am normally a totally non-violent person, but there are times, in my present mindset, when violence might be justifiable in order to protect others or even one's self.
Speaking of work, my break will end shortly...
Less than 2 weeks ago, someone got shot and killed in a store parking lot less than 10 minutes from where I work.
We live in a crazy world where a split second of indecision could literally be the difference between life and death. I like to be mentally prepared ahead of time so I can act quickly, if need be.
Like I said in a previous response, I am normally a totally non-violent person, but there are times, in my present mindset, when violence might be justifiable in order to protect others or even one's self.
Speaking of work, my break will end shortly...
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Lord knows I hope not.
There are verses that say we have a right to defend self and family.
If God doesn't OK that I'll ask his forgiveness before I allow someone to beat me to death. Just saying.
Besides, the Old Testament about God who does not change doesn't afford the idea he's a passifist. Know what I mean?
There are verses that say we have a right to defend self and family.
If God doesn't OK that I'll ask his forgiveness before I allow someone to beat me to death. Just saying.
Besides, the Old Testament about God who does not change doesn't afford the idea he's a passifist. Know what I mean?