Foolish NATO generals want war, not peace

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Our concern is not Russia or NATO. It's China.

The rest of the world is like mice in a cage with a rattlesnake (China). The rattlesnake is feasting on them. The only way to stop the rattlesnake is to chop off his head.
 
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ZNP said:
That is a very bad analogy, the US is more populous and richer and more powerful than Russia. Also we have very few Russians living in any state that might prefer Russia.

A much better example would be Texas. At one point it belonged to Mexico but had quite a few Americans living there, and then the US invaded and took over despite Mexico's big army because the people living in Texas wanted to be part of the US and not Mexico.
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Thank you for the example. You are right.
I renember the story about Alamo.
 
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Russia is the only one starting this...it isn't NATO military forces. Anytime that Russia military goes home and resides strictly within its own borders there's a HUGE amount of financial incentives and trade deals worth literally trillions of dollars in it for them.

As it is NATO has to spend billions on munitions for Ukraine to stop Russian aggression.

Consequently Russia has just made a law saying ALL former lands of Russia AND Soviet Union are illegally held by others. This includes half of NATO and includes such states as ALASKA.

So....give Russia Alaska back? Including all the oil and gold and salmon and crab? Or should we keep it as we have paid for it and it's one of the 50 states. What about Sarah Palin? Send her to Russia as a POW?

Quit listening to propaganda....Russian culture believes wholeheartedly in armed, forced annexation and acts like those people wanted to be part of a communist regime after the fact. That's why NATO is practicing....no other reason. They want to stop the Bear from eating them.
 
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JohnDB said:
Russia is the only one starting this...it isn't NATO military forces. Anytime that Russia military goes home and resides strictly within its own borders there's a HUGE amount of financial incentives and trade deals worth literally trillions of dollars in it for them.

As it is NATO has to spend billions on munitions for Ukraine to stop Russian aggression.

Consequently Russia has just made a law saying ALL former lands of Russia AND Soviet Union are illegally held by others. This includes half of NATO and includes such states as ALASKA.

So....give Russia Alaska back? Including all the oil and gold and salmon and crab? Or should we keep it as we have paid for it and it's one of the 50 states. What about Sarah Palin? Send her to Russia as a POW?

Quit listening to propaganda....Russian culture believes wholeheartedly in armed, forced annexation and acts like those people wanted to be part of a communist regime after the fact. That's why NATO is practicing....no other reason. They want to stop the Bear from eating them.
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Well obviously when you put it that way it sounds stupid, but what about California? If we give Russia California then they have the the problem with the homeless, they have San Francisco and Oakland, they can deal with the gangs in LA, and they get Hollywood. Is it really so terrible if Newsom becomes a Russian POW?

California is now the poorest state in the US when you look at the number of people in that state living below the poverty line. Jack Welch talked about firing 10% of your workers, the poorest performers. So this would simply be like following his advice. California has gone from the richest state in the US to the poorest, obviously a "poor performer".

Often when you have a child you can't deal with they send them to these military schools. That might be what California needs.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
So is Joe Biden. However a serious negotiator like Trump could negotiate something which would penalize Russia if they violated a signed peace treaty. Maybe a threat to bomb the Kremlin (or worse).

Then again, if Putin was guaranteed the removal of all sanctions by the USA, he could be persuaded to stop his attacks immediately. Recovering Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk may not be possible, and the Slovakian Prime Minister has said so (but not is so many words). But Ukraine would be guaranteed peace with a solid and carefully crafted treaty. And the possibility of membership in NATO would be cancelled.

Slovak PM: Ukraine must give up territory to end Russian invasion
https://www.politico.eu/article/slo...-territory-russia-moscow-invasion-nato-entry/
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Wishful thinking. Among a lot of other research I've done, I came across a video by someone who worked for Putin directly. His basic premise was that Putin was intent on recreating a Russia that is long gone. Mr Trump tried to bring North Korea's Kim into the fold, so to speak. Kim rejected Mr Trump's offer. Why? Because Kim has a mentality that makes so sense to Westerners. Putin is no different. Ukraine was guaranteed peace when she became independent. The current catastrophe could have been avoided. Russia was much weaker in 2014 but the West lacks a spine. Now when Russia has made some military improvements (not enough, obviously), Europe may well end up with an aggressive and more confident Russia right on her borders. Which is exactly what they did not want.
 
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Susanna said:
Trump is said to be an expert in the art of the deal, but I don’t think he really understands, neither does any of us, the ideological and grandiose nature of Putin. Bottom line: Any deal with will only last until he feels strong enough to break his promise.
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And yet, Putin didn't invade on Trump's watch, now, did he? And if not for enemies domestic, I doubt he would have invaded on this watch, as Biden only became president through election fraud, and Trump was left with no choice but to step down or be the cause of a civil war.

We would do well to take care of enemies domestic, before we consider dealing with enemies foreign. Similar to the "First take the plank out of your own eye, that ye then may see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye".
 
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Moses_Young said:
And yet, Putin didn't invade on Trump's watch, now, did he? And if not for enemies domestic, I doubt he would have invaded on this watch, as Biden only became president through election fraud, and Trump was left with no choice but to step down or be the cause of a civil war.

We would do well to take care of enemies domestic, before we consider dealing with enemies foreign. Similar to the "First take the plank out of your own eye, that ye then may see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye".
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4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

I always assumed the sign of Jonah was him being spit up by the fish. But that was not all of it. After being spit up it took almost a day to get into the city of Nineveh before Jonah began preaching to repent, and then he was saying that they needed to repent because in 40 days the city would be destroyed.

Jesus was crucified at Passover, He ascended on Shavuot, and then fifty days later on the 8th of Av was Pentecost, the feast of new wine. The spirit was poured out and from that point they began to preach for repentance. 40 jubilees later everything will be destroyed. To emphasize this point 40 years later the temple was destroyed and that was 40 years to the day, with the temple torn down on the 9th of Av.

The Jews were the first ones to experience foul weather, but the "Romans" (nations) will have our turn as well.

The siege of Jerusalem began around the same time they arrested Jesus. I believe that was 30AD (though experts say it could have been as late as 33AD). You have seven shemitahs and then the next year is the year of Jubilee. So if you take 40x49 you get 1960 years, add that to 30 and you get 1990. 1989 ended with the collapse of the USSR and everyone said that they would have peace and security. The 40 years beginning in 1990 are like one giant Jubilee year, concluding with 2030. Another way to look at this is that in 70AD the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed, add 1960 years to that and in 2030 it will be the world's turn with Armageddon.

We have three points of reference with a set time after each. We know when the Temple was destroyed (70AD), we know when they said Peace and Security (After the USSR collapsed Dec 26, 1989) and we have Jesus crucifixion (29Ad -- 33AD). We know that the Sign of Nineveh was given to Jerusalem the same year and exactly 40 years to the day from the preaching to repent the temple was destroyed. So we know that Pentecost was the 8th of Av of 30AD. We also know that 1960 years after the crucifixion they will all say "Peace and Security" only to be followed by "Sudden destruction". We also know that 1960 years after the destruction of the temple it will be the world's turn with Armageddon.
 
Moses_Young said:
And yet, Putin didn't invade on Trump's watch, now, did he? And if not for enemies domestic, I doubt he would have invaded on this watch, as Biden only became president through election fraud, and Trump was left with no choice but to step down or be the cause of a civil war.

We would do well to take care of enemies domestic, before we consider dealing with enemies foreign. Similar to the "First take the plank out of your own eye, that ye then may see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye".
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Pure whataboutism doesn’t change the facts. I don’t think Trump actively tried to avoid January 6. Neither do I think he actively instigated it. He comes across as a person who rides the tide. If January 6 had made him remain in office he would have remained. When it didn’t, he left office. That’s a true opportunist. He’s playing the cards he has. It’s impressive how he manages to play people.
 
Susanna said:
Pure whataboutism doesn’t change the facts. I don’t think Trump actively tried to avoid January 6. Neither do I think he actively instigated it. He comes across as a person who rides the tide. If January 6 had made him remain in office he would have remained. When it didn’t, he left office. That’s a true opportunist. He’s playing the cards he has. It’s impressive how he manages to play people.
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I think you underestimate the man or those behind him. I think most of us do, even his supporters. We are watching a plan unfold, not a gambler taking opportunities.

I'm not saying the plan will be in our best interests, but nothing was left to chance.
 
Susanna said:
I don’t think Trump actively tried to avoid January 6.
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Your BIAS is showing. Do you want to give Trump a fair hearing? Not if you are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome (a serious disorder of the Leftists). The House GOP press release from June 10, 22 has this:
Report Shows President Trump Offered National Guard to the United States Capitol Four Days Before 1/6
Washington, DC, June 10, 2022

Just The News’ John Solomon exclusively obtained documents showing that President Trump offered National Guard protection to the United States Capitol four days before the events of January 6, 2021. According to Solomon’s reporting:
“An official timeline of the Jan. 6 tragedy assembled by Capitol Police shows that a Defense Department official reached out to a Capitol Police deputy chief, Sean Gallagher, on Jan. 2, 2021 to see if a request for troops was forthcoming, but the offer was quickly rejected after a consultation with then-Chief Steve Sund.” ​
This reporting flies in the face of Pelosi’s sham political witch-hunt assertion this evening that President Trump did not offer the Capitol National Guard protection ahead of the events of January 6, 2021. Speaker Pelosi could have easily hardened the United States Capitol in those four days, but Capitol Police did not because of “optics.” Read the full report HERE.
https://www.gop.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=102
 
More foolishness from the Western generals:
Top UK General Says Civilians Will Have To Be Conscripted Into a ‘Citizen’s Army’ To Fight Major War Against Russia
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/top-uk-general-says-civilians-will-have-be/

So the Western generals are already deciding who will become cannon fodder for their delusions. What exactly could a "citizen's army" do in a modern battle? Bring their hoes and pickaxes? Hamas made their civilians into cannon fodder, and now these idiots want to do the same. And the war will not be exclusively with Russia either. China is itching to use its military buildup.
 
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Scary: Europe Preparing War with Russia 01/25/2024

 
According to James Rickards on Steve Bannon's Warroom Pandemic the kill rate in Ukraine is about 5:1, 500,000 dead Ukrainians and 100,000 dead Russians. However, everyone should know that the Russians sent all their prisoners to this war with the promise of amnesty should they live, as well as political opponents and other non desirables.

In the US about 8% of the population is convicted of a felony. 100,000 represents less than 0.001% of the population of Russia. If you remove all the felons then you free up correction officers, and all the resources spent on prisons.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Your BIAS is showing. Do you want to give Trump a fair hearing? Not if you are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome (a serious disorder of the Leftists). The House GOP press release from June 10, 22 has this:
Report Shows President Trump Offered National Guard to the United States Capitol Four Days Before 1/6
Washington, DC, June 10, 2022

Just The News’ John Solomon exclusively obtained documents showing that President Trump offered National Guard protection to the United States Capitol four days before the events of January 6, 2021. According to Solomon’s reporting:
“An official timeline of the Jan. 6 tragedy assembled by Capitol Police shows that a Defense Department official reached out to a Capitol Police deputy chief, Sean Gallagher, on Jan. 2, 2021 to see if a request for troops was forthcoming, but the offer was quickly rejected after a consultation with then-Chief Steve Sund.” ​
This reporting flies in the face of Pelosi’s sham political witch-hunt assertion this evening that President Trump did not offer the Capitol National Guard protection ahead of the events of January 6, 2021. Speaker Pelosi could have easily hardened the United States Capitol in those four days, but Capitol Police did not because of “optics.” Read the full report HERE.
https://www.gop.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=102
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Why are you using ad hominem tactics before you provide your opinion?
 
Nehemiah6 said:
More foolishness from the Western generals:
Top UK General Says Civilians Will Have To Be Conscripted Into a ‘Citizen’s Army’ To Fight Major War Against Russia
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/top-uk-general-says-civilians-will-have-be/

So the Western generals are already deciding who will become cannon fodder for their delusions. What exactly could a "citizen's army" do in a modern battle? Bring their hoes and pickaxes? Hamas made their civilians into cannon fodder, and now these idiots want to do the same. And the war will not be exclusively with Russia either. China is itching to use its military buildup.
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They might be met with non-compliance. From those I've spoken to, even x-servicemen are disgusted by it. Patriotism has been vilified for over 2 decades. They cannot now rally patriots to fight. In the UK, a great deal of us don't regard Russia as an enemy. Our own government is a bigger threat to us.

To sum up, our leadership has burned the house down and now calls on those they have injured to defend the ashes.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
They might be met with non-compliance. From those I've spoken to, even x-servicemen are disgusted by it. Patriotism has been vilified for over 2 decades. They cannot now rally patriots to fight. In the UK, a great deal of us don't regard Russia as an enemy. Our own government is a bigger threat to us.

To sum up, our leadership has burned the house down and now calls on those they have injured to defend the ashes.
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Russia is the enemy. Failing to realize that indicates that the Russian disinformation campaigns are working.
 
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