That is why I believe in free Will. I believe God is love and want every body save, for God so love the world so He invite every body to believe Him because He want every body save. Than is up to ppl to respon yes or no
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That is why I believe in free Will. I believe God is love and want every body save, for God so love the world so He invite every body to believe Him because He want every body save. Than is up to ppl to respon yes or no
yep, It is because He love the world John 3:16.
He does His part, now our part is easy, say Yes to Jesus, And save. Here our free Will take place.
If you believe that God knew everything what will happen before the creation of the Universe, what do you mean by free will?
Oy vey!! You're a broken record with John 3:16.
So the cross, and He who died on it, isn't enough? Glad you admitted to your heresy in the above.
You believe the cross doesn't save, just makes ppl savable. Sad. So sad.
This what I believe. God predestine Adam and eve to reside in the Garden of Eden, and If He have a children, the original plan is
That they also live in the beautiful Garden of Eden. So basically every body predestine to save and not die. But because of disobediance people die. Loving God longing to give a chance back to original predestine, He send His son to die oN the cross so whosoever believe Will be save. Now free Will play rule here, say yes or no
Brother, lost ppl don't possess a free will. Apostle Paul easily refutes free will ideology.
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.[Romans 6:15-18]
The lost are slaves to sin. Slaves can't free themselves but must be freed by someone else. In steps the Christ. In came the Christ to save His ppl from their sins. Not everyone whoever lived is considered God's ppl.
In the above passage, it says when they obeyed from the heart, that's the key. The heart is completely wicked, beyond a cure, and no one can know it. So, its not this heart that obeys Him, but the new heart He gives[Ezekiel 11:19 & 36:26]that obeys Him. Remember, it is those who are born of Him, who love Him.[1 John 4:7] So, the new birth happens first, and Jesus compares it being like the wind when He conversed with Nicodemus in John 3. No one can stop the wind from blowing, no one can stop the Spirit from giving life to whosoever(there's that pesky little word again) He will.
That's why Molinism is popular with some. God knows all free will choices because He is omniscient. Its a cop out theology, imo.
Depends on what does "free will" means. If something unbased, random, unpredictable, than I think such a concept is impossible with omniscient God.
If free will means just "we are not forced to make this choice", but it is certain, based on causes and reasons, then molinism can make sense. And its actually what I would say also...
I would be considered a compatiblist. I believe we have a will that freely moves within the confines of our nature. But the will is never free, as in free will.
Agreed. Ppl want a 'god' that doesn't interfere in their lives. They want a 'self-help guru' not an omnipotent and omniscient God.
Agreed.
So there are several possible choices within the confines (yeah, I translated it in a dictionary
)) of our nature, you say.Is it certain which one you will choose or is it unpredictable?
So there are several possible choices within the confines (yeah, I translated it in a dictionary
Is it certain which one you will choose or is it unpredictable?
What I mean is that ppl are in a jail cell. In that cell, they can move around, but can't move beyond those prison bars. Ppl who are lost, have a will that is bound in sin. It moves within those confines, but can move past it and become free, seeing they are ensnared, enslaved by sin.
But God knows all we will ever do. Not the Molinistic view, either.
I understand what you mean with the cell, I am asking more into detail - whether the movement inside that cell is random or also predictable by God (or by anyone having enough of information) with certainity, in your opinion?
In that case, everything is certain, outside or inside that cell and there is no difference. What then, do you mean by free move inside that cell?
Look at the Assyrian king. God stirred him and his ppl up and they throttled Israel. He then destroyed them as he went a wee bit too far. He freely attacked Israel, as his heart was evil. God used his wicked heart to be a judgment against Israel and their rebellion against Him.
Look at the cross. God used ppl to kill the Christ. Their wicked hearts freely killed Him. God's sovereignity and man's responsibilty in full display.