For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[chubbena]

show it to me in the bible.

I was asking you the questions.
More questions:
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done - what does it mean to you?
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath.... - what does it mean to you?
Mark 2:27....Sabbath was made for man... - what does it mean to you?
Luke 23:56.......But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment - what does it mean to you?

 

[chubbena]

Thats a good place to start.

But the law says not even to prepair food on the sabbath How many of us obey aspect this law?

did the bible say that?

 

[zone]

You are as clever with scripture as the devil was when he tempted Christ in the wilderness, but those who love the Lord are not fooled by your reasoning.

If Abraham knew the Lord, and the Lord told of the Sabbath at the week of creation, I think this bit of "scripture" you give isn't going to stand up, either.

but there is no evidence FROM THE LORD that He commanded saturday sabbath to ANYONE but the children out of Egypt.

so you are presumptuous about the Lord God.

if you loved the LORD you would be focused entirely on His SON...and not the dim shadows that pointed to Him.
not a fascination with jewish rituals and rabbis, many of which and whom never had anything to do with The Father.

do as you like.
you're double-minded.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

did the bible say that?

Yes it did.

Read ex 16. This was a law throughout their generations.

they were to prepair the meal on Friday, for what they would eat on Saturday.

 

[zone]

I was asking you the questions.
More questions:
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done - what does it mean to you?
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath.... - what does it mean to you?
Mark 2:27....Sabbath was made for man... - what does it mean to you?
Luke 23:56.......But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment - what does it mean to you?

did Adam & Eve observe Sabbath?
show me the commandment.

Abram? post it.

Noah? post it.

if it was so important from creation - why didn't God go out of His way to make it clear (TO YOU).?

answer - it was given to Israel. IN THE LAW.

 

[zone]

Yes it did.

Read ex 16. This was a law throughout their generations.

they were to prepair the meal on Friday, for what they would eat on Saturday.

so was this:

Genesis 17
The Covenant of Circumcision
11"And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12"And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. 13"A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

 

[Stephen63]

IMO, those who make their claims about Sabbath keeping NEVER keep the sabbath themselves.

*There is a limited distance one can travel on any sabbath day. Break that, & the sabbath is broken.
*We can do no work on the sabbath. Yet many church-goers go to lunch at the restaraunt on the sabbath, promoting others to break it. That would be sin in itself. Pot lucks would be sin, because someone works to set it up. Bus ministry is then sin, making the driver do all that driving. Pastor visitation on saturday would be sin. Hospital visitation would be sin. Choir practice on Saturday would be sin. Christmas play practice on Saturday would be sin. Going to a ballgame on Saturday would be sin. Youth activities on Saturday would be sin. Ladies planning meetings on Saturday would be sin.
*Let's not forget all the other sabbaths of the Law that's NEVER observed by any church.....yearly sabbaths, etc.

Either do it completely, or don't do it at all.

 

[RedTent]

I never said it was now did I.

My point is, Those who are judging people because they think they do not follow the sabbath have no right to judge. Because if we follow the letter of the law. They who judge are most likely guilty themselves.

Judge not lest ye be judged comes to mind

We aren't judging the people, only God can do that. We are saying that God said to "remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy".

When scripture explains "letter of the law" it isn't saying that following any law is wrong as some people read into it. It is saying that it also takes following in spirit and truth. You can not lie about someone because God told you to so, come hell or high water that is what you will do although you think it would be fun to lie about them. That is following only the letter of the law. You can love the Lord and want to obey like you obey a loving Father, and not want to hurt another because of love so you don't lie about him. That is the way God says to do it. The first way is to only obey the letter of the law. Both did not lie about someone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We aren't judging the people, only God can do that. We are saying that God said to "remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy".

When scripture explains "letter of the law" it isn't saying that following any law is wrong as some people read into it. It is saying that it also takes following in spirit and truth. You can not lie about someone because God told you to so, come hell or high water that is what you will do although you think it would be fun to lie about them. That is following only the letter of the law. You can love the Lord and want to obey like you obey a loving Father, and not want to hurt another because of love so you don't lie about him. That is the way God says to do it. The first way is to only obey the letter of the law. Both did not lie about someone.

Sorry, but when people judge those who Go to Church on Sunday as breaking the law and not following the sabbath/ That is judging people When you have no idea if they follow the true sabbath or not.

The letter of the law states commands specific to the law. The spirit of the law is to realise the letter is not enough to show us how to follow it. Or even all things which would be consider breaking it.

An example is as said before. Do not commit murder to follow the letter. we can say since i have not killed anyone I am following gods command Yet the spirit says if you even think it, you are found guilty of breaking it.

 

[chubbena]

I never said it was now did I.

My point is, Those who are judging people because they think they do not follow the sabbath have no right to judge. Because if we follow the letter of the law. They who judge are most likely guilty themselves.

Judge not lest ye be judged comes to mind

No one is able to obey any commandment to a "T", whether Yeshua's or "Moses", but you single out Sabbath. Why?
Your point? Please take note it's the Sabbath keepers who are judged here and on every sabbath thread, not the other way round. Your post #121 for starters.

 

[chubbena]

Either do it completely, or don't do it at all.

Love Yahweh completely or not at all? Love your neighbour completely or don't at all?

 

[chubbena]

Yes it did.

Read ex 16. This was a law throughout their generations.

they were to prepair the meal on Friday, for what they would eat on Saturday.

Exodus 16 says not to gather manna on sabbath. Manna stopped once they entered Canaan.

 

[chubbena]

did Adam & Eve observe Sabbath?
show me the commandment.

Abram? post it.

Noah? post it.

if it was so important from creation - why didn't God go out of His way to make it clear (TO YOU).?

answer - it was given to Israel. IN THE LAW.

Please do me a favour answer my questions.

 

[RedTent]

Sorry, but when people judge those who Go to Church on Sunday as breaking the law and not following the sabbath/ That is judging people When you have no idea if they follow the true sabbath or not.

The letter of the law states commands specific to the law. The spirit of the law is to realise the letter is not enough to show us how to follow it. Or even all things which would be consider breaking it.

An example is as said before. Do not commit murder to follow the letter. we can say since i have not killed anyone I am following gods command Yet the spirit says if you even think it, you are found guilty of breaking it.

You explain yourself better and we come closer in our understanding, but when we say scripture stands behind that Sabbath is Saturday, it is not judging people, to my way of thinking, but judging about the Sabbath day.

Before, you spoke against following law, it seemed to me, saying that was following the letter of the law. You explain better, now.

By going over the posts, I see people determined to not have a Saturday Sabbath as judgmental of the people who are obeying this. No one I have read, has said that those who only find a Sunday church are all wrong, only those who say those who found a church who has Sabbath are wrong.

I find more content and pleasure within myself when I follow what God says instead of how man says God wants. I don't think it is wrong to do this. Although, I do find wrong things about following man. That is NOT judging people, it is judging to find out what God wants.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Exodus 16 says not to gather manna on sabbath. Manna stopped once they entered Canaan.

It also says this was to occur throughout their generations. Manna was only given for a short time, But the command continued even when the manna stopped.

Lets not be as the pharisees and pick and chose what to obey and what not to obey

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No one is able to obey any commandment to a "T", whether Yeshua's or "Moses", but you single out Sabbath. Why?
Your point? Please take note it's the Sabbath keepers who are judged here and on every sabbath thread, not the other way round. Your post #121 for starters.

I am sticking to the topic of the thread. Sabbath. I am not singling out sabbath, that is the topic.

 

[gotime]

can you show me Paul keeping the Sabbath for the 14 years he was away from Israel?
please show ONE New testament commandment that Christians are to keep the Jewish sabbath>

just ONE.

show anywhere in the list of SIN in the New Testament (which is the Christian New Covenant guide for living) a single admonition aganist breaking the sabbath.

just ONE.

i'll gladly start placing emphasis on what the HEBREWS themselves were told were shadows - instead of focusing on the BODY (which cast the shadow), the SUBSTANCE, which belongs to CHRIST.

if you feel blessed by keeping a modified sabbath day - i do NOT condemn you for that.
just please don't call it the sabbath day given to Israel. it isn't.

That is the problem you basic underlying assumptions.

If the Sabbath was uncontested in the early christian church then there would be no admonition against breaking it. So going by your own reasoning show anywhere a single person or group who is contesting the 7th day Sabbath. The reality is you can't its not there.

while that does not prove that everyone accepted it it does give reason why there is no admonition concerning it. showing that a lake of admonition concerning it says nothing of the Sabbath at all.

There are scriptures talking about Paul going to the synagogue on the Sabbath as his custom was. This may not prove of itself that He kept the Sabbath but neither can you prove that he was not. by the way its not a Jewish Sabbath, The Sabbath was made for man, before sin entered the world. pays to get your facts straight. would you like scripture for that?

 

[Yahshua]

Simply put, does keeping the Sabbath have any effect on your salvation or standing before God?

I voted for option 3. I would've voted for the 2nd option had the last part ("...or [one's] standing with God") not been included. Salvation is a gift from God, but the "reward" we receive at the end is based on what we do with what we're given, hence the reason why Christ gives the Parable of the Talents as well as the Parable of the Sower; the 30, 60, & 100-fold harvest - as well as the multiplied talents - represent what one builds on the foundation they have in Christ. So in this instance, I believe there is a standing.

Some will be pillars in the temple of my God (based on their obedience to the truth), while others will not be though they'll still enter in.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15

If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.​

 

[overcomer2]

and you never answering.
i notice you haven't had the courage of your conviction on KohenMatt's poll.
i don't see your name there.

what i think?, what i think is that you think you're gaining righteousness under the Law.
and you know better than Paul. who kept the Law more completely than you ever will.

he counted it all as dung.

Galatians 3:11
Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because "the righteous will live by faith."

see that? not justified before God.
Paul said Clearly...and he said no one.

except you.

Well, Zone, I kinda feel sorry for you. But, you crossed the line of what it means not to be rude. The ignore button is important - it separates the sheep from the goats. Try and learn to be a nice Christian. I think anyone who has read the things I have written knows I'm not one to hide what I believe by continually asking questions to avoid saying what I believe.
Go your way, I'll just continue to goes His.

 

[Josh321]

We aren't judging the people, only God can do that. We are saying that God said to "remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy".

When scripture explains "letter of the law" it isn't saying that following any law is wrong as some people read into it. It is saying that it also takes following in spirit and truth. You can not lie about someone because God told you to so, come hell or high water that is what you will do although you think it would be fun to lie about them. That is following only the letter of the law. You can love the Lord and want to obey like you obey a loving Father, and not want to hurt another because of love so you don't lie about him. That is the way God says to do it. The first way is to only obey the letter of the law. Both did not lie about someone.

show me in the bible PLEASE where God instructed anybody else other than the house of israel to observing the sabbath PLEASE show me.