For then shall be great tribulation

[peterT]

If you really belong to the Lord Jesus, you will share what you have with anyone who is hungry. That is what being a Christian is all about.

And that’s the spirit of God in those words

the Lord is good

 

[doulos]

I didn't say he was the anti- christ. Beasts do seem to bear resemblance of kingdoms I think world kingdoms and spiritual kingdoms is something to consider. Possibly at the same time. For example the prince of Persia who Gabriel was warring ,I don't think was a worldly prince.P I think Rev clearly says the eighth king is the beast that was ,is not yet is. I'm not sure on the interps about the four beasts in Danial. I am basically as the lord leads at different times look into some of these scriptures. I do not think I have some absolute truth .Just things I think about and might be worth something to somebody.There is probably much we all could say and could learn from together . But as long as we think we have the truth , and deny maybe the possibility of more than one right interpretation even for the same scripture .we think to much of ourselves and do not give God , at least the possibility that his words are so beyond the shallowness we all at sometimes intemperate them. Forgive me for my lack of patience

My friend God has a plan and it will play out exactly as He said it would. For that to be true and for us to understand it there can only be one correct interpretation.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If we do as the above verse says then we will rightly divide the word and come to a correct interpretation. There is only one correct interpretation when it comes to prophecy. None of us have all the answers. Never the less correct interpretation does require that we use the definitions God Himself provides in the Scriptures if we are to understand the figurative language used in prophecy. John1;1 tells us the Word was God. Mal3:6 and Hebrew13:8 tell us God does not change. So if God is the word and He does not change then when He tells us a beast is a kingdom in Daniel it will still be a kingdom in Revelation.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

If the above verses are true (and they are) then if a beast was a kingdom in Daniel it will still be a kingdom in Revelation. To say the definition of a beast changes between Daniel and Revelation would require John1:1 Mal3:6 and Hebrew13:8 to be false. We know that can’t be the case. After all Scripture will not contradict Scripture. When it appears that Scripture contradicts Scripture it is our understanding that is at fault not the Scriptures and it is our responsibilty to study and find a way to reconcile what appears to us mere mortals as a contradiction.

 

[loveme1]

If we are still abiding i believe many will be in for a shock to learn who is for good and who is for evil.

 

[jonrambo]

I am ready for whatever I will put it that way

 

[pickles]

When it comes to preparing!
Ive always had some set aside, but more for the possibuility of earthquakes or floods, as they happen often where I live and any who is prudent does this.
But also, since my family are first responders, I know others will come to us for their needs.
So we have some preparations for this.

But as to days of tribulation?
I consider the words of Jesus.

" He who seeks to save his life shall lose it, but the one who is willing to lose his life for my sake shall save it."

For me what Jesus said speaks volumes to that which should be the mind and heart we have in Jesus, during the last days.

I figure it is much easyer to offer the person asking for some food or help, then to try to defend it, protect it or pretend one has nothing.


God bless
pickles

 

[Graybeard]

The Church is going to be on earth until the Last Trumpet sounds, 1Cor 15:51-52, so the Church is going to be right here on Earth through the Seals of Rev 6 and six of the Seven Trumpets of Rev 8 through 11. The Last Trumpet does not sound until Rev 11:15.

Each to his own, but The Lord has other plans for His Church.

 

[hattiebod]

We often have power cuts, get snowed in, so we have a modest food store and a generator...we have a river in the garden so water is not a problem but I would not take it further because I think we can get too focused on the whole 'end of the world as we know it' scenario. Throughout history, Christians have believed that their generation would be the one to witness the end times scenario. There is quite a lot of literature written by such believers during the beginnings of the 1st and 2nd world wars. As Christians, we could spend a lot of time reading about when, where, how its all going to unfold, arguing which way is right, pre, post trib etc. ...but we are told not too do this, quite clearly in the Bible. Yes, we ought to be aware, but not to the point that it takes up valuable time that could be spent reaching out to the lost. Having a supply for a rainy day is sensible but being a 'survivalist' takes things to an extreme and perhaps draws us away from a full dependance on God. We are not to focus on tomorrow, we are to focus on today. Only God knows if we even have a tomorrow here on this earth. Lets spend it in service to him, not in anxiety and fear about what might be. Only He knows. <><

 

[weakness]

My friend God has a plan and it will play out exactly as He said it would. For that to be true and for us to understand it there can only be one correct interpretation.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If we do as the above verse says then we will rightly divide the word and come to a correct interpretation. There is only one correct interpretation when it comes to prophecy. None of us have all the answers. Never the less correct interpretation does require that we use the definitions God Himself provides in the Scriptures if we are to understand the figurative language used in prophecy. John1;1 tells us the Word was God. Mal3:6 and Hebrew13:8 tell us God does not change. So if God is the word and He does not change then when He tells us a beast is a kingdom in Daniel it will still be a kingdom in Revelation.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

If the above verses are true (and they are) then if a beast was a kingdom in Daniel it will still be a kingdom in Revelation. To say the definition of a beast changes between Daniel and Revelation would require John1:1 Mal3:6 and Hebrew13:8 to be false. We know that can’t be the case. After all Scripture will not contradict Scripture. When it appears that Scripture contradicts Scripture it is our understanding that is at fault not the Scriptures and it is our responsibilty to study and find a way to reconcile what appears to us mere mortals as a contradiction.

​I do not want to over do this scripture ,but Rev.17 :11 clearly, irrefutably says that the eighth king is the beast that was and is not.So, the king is a beast!!! Your first statement that God will fulfill his purposes and there for, there is only one interpretation of a thing, is a total illogical conclusion. I do not see how one eguals the other . But you do this with my writing also,(finding things that I did not say, and missing things I did say)and ,i'm afraid with Gods words too ,but this is a common problem. Maybe I can e-mail you or vise -versa to continue .this thread is about storing supplies!If a symbol can have only one interp. why is the church referred to as a building,a body, and a bride??

 

[peterT]

See my post to peterT above unless of course you prefer to believe "the antichrist" is a seven headed man.

It’s not a man with seven heads its figuratively in the spirit behind the scenes behind the situation

And nobody has ever asked anyone to believe that it’s a seven headed man or animal

As therapon puts it in his Study Guide. “and That’s what we are supposed to believe”

I have never heard Christians teach it as a seven headed man or animal “and That’s what we are supposed to believe”

I think all Christian doctrines teach it as figuratively

 

[peterT]

The Church is going to be on earth until the Last Trumpet sounds, 1Cor 15:51-52, so the Church is going to be right here on Earth through the Seals of Rev 6 and six of the Seven Trumpets of Rev 8 through 11. The Last Trumpet does not sound until Rev 11:15.

Just been reading your Study Guide from the link that you provided, which contradicts what you have just said in this post, unless you have changed your mind.


"It can now be proven that the beasts in Revelation, the
Two Witnesses, the Seven Seals, and the Seven Trumpets
are not events in our future! In fact, all have been fulfilled
during the Christian era and we are just moments away
from King Jesus appearing in the sky! Difficult realities to
accept, perhaps, but true just the same."

 

[Therapon]

Each to his own, but The Lord has other plans for His Church.

Yes the Lord does, and He told us exactly what His plan is. We in the Church are going to be taken to be with the Lord at the "Last Trumpet," 1Cor 15:51-52 and the Last Trumpet in the Bible blows in Revelation 11:15. As a result, the Church is going to be on Earth until Revelation 11:15, like it or not. That is not guesswork theology, brother, but a scriptural given!

 

[peterT]

Yes the Lord does, and He told us exactly what His plan is. We in the Church are going to be taken to be with the Lord at the "Last Trumpet," 1Cor 15:51-52 and the Last Trumpet in the Bible blows in Revelation 11:15. As a result, the Church is going to be on Earth until Revelation 11:15, like it or not. That is not guesswork theology, brother, but a scriptural given!

So it looks like you have changed your mind which is good, but you might won't to alter your Study Guide in the link you provided

 

[zone]

Just been reading your Study Guide from the link that you provided, which contradicts what you have just said in this post, unless you have changed your mind.


"It can now be proven that the beasts in Revelation, the
Two Witnesses, the Seven Seals, and the Seven Trumpets
are not events in our future! In fact, all have been fulfilled
during the Christian era and we are just moments away
from King Jesus appearing in the sky! Difficult realities to
accept, perhaps, but true just the same."

just moments away!
really!
how many moments i wonder?

when was that written Peter...do you know?

 

[peterT]

just moments away!
really!
how many moments i wonder?

when was that written Peter...do you know?

Don’t know zone but I wonder if it’s in the book, because that would be harder to correct

Looks like somebody is selling his book, or is that him ?

Its sounds something like Jesus would do. $12.65

 

[Therapon]

So it looks like you have changed your mind which is good, but you might won't to alter your Study Guide in the link you provided

Nope, it teaches the same doctrine.

 

[peterT]

Nope, it teaches the same doctrine.

How’s that?

“Seven Trumpets are not events in our future!”

And

“Church is going to be on earth until the Last Trumpet sounds”

 

[Therapon]

How’s that?

“Seven Trumpets are not events in our future!”
And
“Church is going to be on earth until the Last Trumpet sounds”

Yes, that the Church is going to be on earth until the last trumpet sounds is a scriptural given, 1 Cor 15:51-52. Since the 7th trumpet (the last trumpet in Revelation) does not sound until Revelation 11:15, then the church has to be on earth through the prior six trumpets. That doesn't take rocket science, it's just accepting what the Bible states at face value.

 

[Therapon]

Just been reading your Study Guide from the link that you provided, which contradicts what you have just said in this post, unless you have changed your mind.

"It can now be proven that the beasts in Revelation, the
Two Witnesses, the Seven Seals, and the Seven Trumpets
are not events in our future! In fact, all have been fulfilled
during the Christian era and we are just moments away
from King Jesus appearing in the sky! Difficult realities to
accept, perhaps, but true just the same."

It can now be shown with some certainty that all Bible prophecy needing to be fulfilled before the return of the Lord has already been fulfilled with the exception of James 5:1-5 and that is happening even as I write. So when viewed from a biblical perspective, it is just prophetic "moments" before the Lord returns.

 

[zone]

Yes, that the Church is going to be on earth until the last trumpet sounds is a scriptural given, 1 Cor 15:51-52. Since the 7th trumpet (the last trumpet in Revelation) does not sound until Revelation 11:15, then the church has to be on earth through the prior six trumpets. That doesn't take rocket science, it's just accepting what the Bible states at face value.

How’s that?

“Seven Trumpets are not events in our future!”

Yes, that the Church is going to be on earth until the last trumpet sounds is a scriptural given, 1 Cor 15:51-52. Since the 7th trumpet (the last trumpet in Revelation) does not sound until Revelation 11:15, then the church has to be on earth through the prior six trumpets. That doesn't take rocket science, it's just accepting what the Bible states at face value.

so what you really meant to say, was the seventh trumpet is still in our future, even for just 'a moment'?
or is the seventh trumpet a really looooooooooong event like the 70th week, and currently sounding?

fix that for us would ya ellis?

 

[zone]

It can now be shown with some certainty that all Bible prophecy needing to be fulfilled before the return of the Lord has already been fulfilled with the exception of James 5:1-5 and that is happening even as I write. So when viewed from a biblical perspective, it is just prophetic "moments" before the Lord returns.

this is slick.
i kinda almost admire the gall.
really i do.