For those why deny the Deity of Jesus Christ.
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That's how you scare off wolves that teach a loving God casts His children into eternal punishment.
There is nothing to fear. That word was translated from a word that also means respect. Another slight roman error. For how can one that knows the truth fear such a loving Father. Nothing but full respect and praise is the result. Read your Bible!
There is nothing to fear. That word was translated from a word that also means respect. Another slight roman error. For how can one that knows the truth fear such a loving Father. Nothing but full respect and praise is the result. Read your Bible!
You must be born from the Spirit and from the water to be His child. To be just born from flesh and blood does not make you to be one of His children.
That is representative of what happens in the end when we are risen, born again, tears wiped from our and lead to the living water as written in revelation. Being dunked by some child molester priest doesn't quite qualify. Or some rich selfish preacher like Joel who hoards money while children starve to death in third world countries. Besides it is written that you must first repent then be baptized. If you just read your Bible and forget what you have been taught, you will know the truth and have a much greater respect for your Maker.
You are not saved. You live in a place where Satan is the ruler. The Gospel tells of the salvation that is to come when Jesus returns with all Gods angels.
This happens shortly after that;
Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a >great< multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of >great< tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(please note, a great number that could not be counted came out of the great tribulation. The same great that went in, came out.)
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Only then will you be truly saved. And the Gospel teaches it is for all peoples. No one is lost. To preach any human being is lost is to worship satan and deny the power of the Father and His love for His children that He hath made. Think about it. He made you. To judge you is to judge Himself. You are a made thing.
Every dies a sinner. Everyone needs the salvation that was prophesied and preached. What they teach these days is completely opposite of what the Bible says.
Just read it. That is why it is there. You don't need someone to tell you what it is all about. You are told to read and study it yourself.
Acts 3
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
You are not saved. You live in a place where Satan is the ruler. The Gospel tells of the salvation that is to come when Jesus returns with all Gods angels.
This happens shortly after that;
Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a >great< multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of >great< tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(please note, a great number that could not be counted came out of the great tribulation. The same great that went in, came out.)
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Only then will you be truly saved. And the Gospel teaches it is for all peoples. No one is lost. To preach any human being is lost is to worship satan and deny the power of the Father and His love for His children that He hath made. Think about it. He made you. To judge you is to judge Himself. You are a made thing.
Every dies a sinner. Everyone needs the salvation that was prophesied and preached. What they teach these days is completely opposite of what the Bible says.
Just read it. That is why it is there. You don't need someone to tell you what it is all about. You are told to read and study it yourself.
Acts 3
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Eternal horror is not what an everlasting loving merciful God has in store for even one of his children.
You need a new Church. Seriously. There are over 50 verses that simply state all peoples are saved.
Simple common sense will also help in that the maker does not judge that which He has made. He made us.
If you study the Word, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you will see it. He loves all the human beings that He has made. The horror is for the fallen and their bastard kin. We are not alone. There are dark entities here corrupting mankind. The salvation is their removal and everything made new. If you had seriously studied the Bible, you would know this. Here is Jesus speaking on the subject;
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Here is a disciple preaching the true Gospel
1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach, because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach.
Read your Bible
You think chucky? The following is what love incarnate said at Matthew 23:27-37. I'm just going to highlighht the verses. vs 27, "Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites." vs28, you are inwardly full of hypocrisy and laswlessness." Vs31, "you bear witness against yourselves, that you are sons who murdered the prophets." Vs33, "You serpents, you brood of vipers, HOW SHALL YOU ESCAPE THE SENTENCE OF HELL?" Or "Gehenna."
Do you know what "Gehenna" is chucky? Since Jesus Christ Himself who like I said is incarnate love how are they going to escape hell? And look at what Jesus says at vs37, "O jerusalem, Jersualem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under here wings, AND YOU WERE UNWILLING." Where are they going chucky? Moreover, since you believe all men will be saved then what was the purpose of Jesus Christ dying on that cross? Your not only not thinking straight, you are Biblically ignorant.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You think chucky? The following is what love incarnate said at Matthew 23:27-37. I'm just going to highlighht the verses. vs 27, "Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites." vs28, you are inwardly full of hypocrisy and laswlessness." Vs31, "you bear witness against yourselves, that you are sons who murdered the prophets." Vs33, "You serpents, you brood of vipers, HOW SHALL YOU ESCAPE THE SENTENCE OF HELL?" Or "Gehenna."
Do you know what "Gehenna" is chucky? Since Jesus Christ Himself who like I said is incarnate love how are they going to escape hell? And look at what Jesus says at vs37, "O jerusalem, Jersualem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under here wings, AND YOU WERE UNWILLING." Where are they going chucky? Moreover, since you believe all men will be saved then what was the purpose of Jesus Christ dying on that cross? Your not only not thinking straight, you are Biblically ignorant.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Because he has refused to see the truth, his theology quickly fills with contradictions. Those he refuses to look at because it is obvious. He thinks the verses he posted say Jesus is going to cast people into the lake of fire, when they actually don't say that at all. But if they did say that, it would be huge contradiction to the simply stated verses that say all peoples are saved. Until one takes to heart the simply stated, how can he even begin to address scripture that appears to contradict Jesus.
Everyone is a sinner. So what, by your interpretation of the verses you don't understand is we must become perfect like Jesus in order to be saved. That would be a sad ending for everyone.
Or maybe by confessing to believe, we can continue to sin and be spared the horror? While everyone else get cast into eternal suffering? That makes a lot of sense. Not.
If you just read your Bible and quit listening to the romans interpretation of it, you will see the truth.
John 12
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Everyone is a sinner. So what, by your interpretation of the verses you don't understand is we must become perfect like Jesus in order to be saved. That would be a sad ending for everyone.
Or maybe by confessing to believe, we can continue to sin and be spared the horror? While everyone else get cast into eternal suffering? That makes a lot of sense. Not.
If you just read your Bible and quit listening to the romans interpretation of it, you will see the truth.
John 12
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Matt 23
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17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
2 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
2 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
And as it is written, every knee shall bow.
In spite of Jesus reprimanding the people for their sins
and also telling what happens if you die a sinner:
The wager for sin is death. The grave. which is
what hell is defined as in the Bible. The word
translated as "hell" is not the lake of fire.
It is the grave. 1rst death. Hades.
So when referencing Matt 12:33
interpret it properly. He is not saying
the lake of fire or eternal damnation.
When the lake of fire is spoken of, it is
always called the lake of fire.
In spite of Jesus reprimanding the people for their sins
and also telling what happens if you die a sinner:
The wager for sin is death. The grave. which is
what hell is defined as in the Bible. The word
translated as "hell" is not the lake of fire.
It is the grave. 1rst death. Hades.
So when referencing Matt 12:33
interpret it properly. He is not saying
the lake of fire or eternal damnation.
When the lake of fire is spoken of, it is
always called the lake of fire.
Further more, who is worse, those who killed the prophets, their children or....
those who brutally beat and hung on the Cross the Son of God?
And what were some of His last words before He died?
Luke 23
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Your horse theology is full of holes.
You really have no clue as to what is written.
What the message is. Just how loving the Father
and the Son are.
Read your Bible. Forget what men taught you.
those who brutally beat and hung on the Cross the Son of God?
And what were some of His last words before He died?
Luke 23
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Your horse theology is full of holes.
You really have no clue as to what is written.
What the message is. Just how loving the Father
and the Son are.
Read your Bible. Forget what men taught you.
Your the one that made the following ridiculous statement (one among many), "
Eternal horror is not what an everlasting loving merciful God has in store for even one of his children.
You need a new Church. Seriously. There are over 50 verses that simply state all peoples are saved." I then address the statement with what Jesus stated and you tell me I'm a horse and refuse to discuss the topic. Tell me something, what did Jesus say at Matthew 23:27-37 that is wrong or not true? In fact, Jesus calls them at Matthew 23:17, "You fools and blind men."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
More nonsense on CC. Sounds like Universalism, which is FALSE DOCTRINE.
Looks to me like there are more and more false teachings being believed and promoted today in the churches and on Christian forums, and this is a good example.
Chuckyz2, it is you who needs a new church.
Any scripture to support claims. Just calling people false teachers is not how dialog is achieved. I posted scripture to support the obvious Good News that was preached during the time of Jesus and after by those who heard Him in person. Not to mention the several prophesies. You obviously are just a Sunday church goer that does not study. And if you were paying attention, I am not a universalist. Nor am I a JW. They preach all peoples also. You folks just blurt out "Universalists" and everyone runs and hides. Lol. Bring some evidence to the table that supports your claim.
The actual fact of the matter is the false teachings began with the romans trying to control the ever growing masses that were becoming real Christians most of which believed that and preached Jesus saves everyone. You are a victim of that false roman nasty. The people during the time of Jesu all knew He preached He was going to save all people. Those that believed and those that rejected it. They knew the simple truth that He claimed to be the Savior of the world. You do not know this commonly known fact because of your religion. Don't listen to those universalists.... they are evil. Lol. Don't listen to those JWs... they are evil. What about Calvanists…. eeew...run for the hills.. Actually though I am not affiliated with any of those religions, they are a 100 times more in the know than yours. You poor thing.
He was talking to you.Your the one that made the following ridiculous statement (one among many), "
Eternal horror is not what an everlasting loving merciful God has in store for even one of his children.
You need a new Church. Seriously. There are over 50 verses that simply state all peoples are saved." I then address the statement with what Jesus stated and you tell me I'm a horse and refuse to discuss the topic. Tell me something, what did Jesus say at Matthew 23:27-37 that is wrong or not true? In fact, Jesus calls them at Matthew 23:17, "You fools and blind men."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You are the one that brought a horse to the race.
Putting yourself on high using a horse as you,
compared to a man. Lol. and you refuse to have
a normal debate. You ignored my posts, then
just post like they don't exist. You then rudely
post scripture you don't understand and request
I explain them to you, which I have, all the while
not giving the same courtesy. There is no dialog
ever achieved with your type. You have the same
tactics as atheists and evolutionists. I would guess
you are one just by your de"mean"er. You definately
are not a loving caring God respecting person.
That guy believes a loving merciful God casts His own children into eternal punishment. Children that He made. If anyone can not see the huge error with that, they have a very bad spirit. Not to mention there are over 50 verses in the Bible that simply state all peoples are saved.
1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours
only but also for the whole world.
Look up propitiation.
Quit rejecting the truth that is put in front of your eyes.
1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours
only but also for the whole world.
Look up propitiation.
Quit rejecting the truth that is put in front of your eyes.
That is just laughable. It shows that you are obsessed with Sunday, when you should be obsessed with Saturday -- the day of Saturn. A very evil *god*.
Jesus called the Pharisees children of the devil. You have read something terribly wrong if you think I believe God casts His children into eternal punishment. Your problem seems to be in recognizing, according to Scripture, who His children are.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God — children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
You talk as if flesh and blood were going to inherit the kingdom of God, though Jesus said, you must be born again. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. Anyone whose name is not found written in the book of life will be thrown into the lake of fire... for without faith, it is impossible to please God. That is Scripture, my friend.