Fraternizing with the enemy.

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Lillywolf

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Are they letting women do that now?

Goodness me.

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Don't tell anybody but we're also able to....VOTE! :eek: Divorce, live as single mothers, stay single if we choose, and obtain gainful employment independent of a man.
 

maxwel

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Don't tell anybody but we're also able to....VOTE! :eek: Divorce, live as single mothers, stay single if we choose, and obtain gainful employment independent of a man.
That's just crazy.


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Nehemiah6

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#45
The author of the link is a woman.
And women are NOT to teach, except other women.

TITUS 2
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The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.


Female pastors and teachers, or those attempting to take authority within churches, are IN VIOLATION of Scripture. So we already have a problem here.
 
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pottersclay

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These days I find it very hard to discern the misinformed from the ones who rebuke the Holy Spirit.
I watched for the first time a program with Leah and the Scientology church and discovered also she is exposing the watch tower. My heart just broke for these people who had their lives destroyed in the name of religion.
Now this is a secular program but I thought to myself why can't the church do this? Leah was so sincere in her efforts to expose the lies.
I inquired of the Lord's stand on this which is still in prayer. All I could think about was Elijah and the false prophets.
The anger still Kindles inside as I think about the broken lives these cults have left in their wake.
How the term christianty has taken a turn for the worst as it relates to anything attached to church or God.
So many lies, wives tale, wolves, have been making there way through our watch . We need to be more diligent.
 

Locutus

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#47
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" seems to remind me of right wing christians.
 

GraceAndTruth

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#48
How can you say a great website inplainsite.org in light of your recent comments in relation to Original Sin?
I guess there was something on there that you don't like?
 

Churinga

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When Your 'Church' No Longer Holds To Biblical Truths
Many, many Christians today are increasingly being faced with some very tough decisions as they begin to realize that the church they may have long considered home, no longer holds to Biblical truths.
However this rarely happens overnight. The descent into full blown apostasy often takes months, if not years to come about. Compromise usually begins as a small hole in the dam which, if not immediately dealt with, gradually grows ever larger. As the sheer weight of the water behind the wall expands the crack, the trickle eventually becomes a flood, sweeping many away to their doom.
Churches are turning in ever increasing numbers to mystical practices such as Contemplative Prayer and Walking Labyrinths, etc. The first is based squarely on ideas borrowed heavily from Hindu and Buddhist traditions. Labyrinths were 'discovered' in a Catholic church but have their roots in pagan practices. Other churches have allowed modern day "courses" such as the Alpha course and Purpose Driven precepts, etc., to usurp the place of authority the Scriptures once held. More "liberal" churches that have begun to question, or even openly deny the Bible as being God's inerrant and absolutely infallible word to mankind now condone homosexuality or same-sex unions.
Like the frog who does not feel the heat of the water that is gradually brought to the boil, many of the members of these churches often initially fail to recognize the subtle changes that are taking place. They may be uncomfortably aware that something is wrong, but cannot quite put their finger on what that 'something' is. Others are uneasy about the fact that their church and congregation are being led step by step away from being a 'traditional church'. (which in no way constitutes a defense of how most traditional churches function). Often those that have had the courage to raise their voices and protest the changes are called divisive, troublemakers, judgmental, or Pharisees. In some cases they have even been informed that they must embrace the new methods and teachings - or leave.
However it may not be the church that has changed. Some Christians have learned over time that the doctrines and practices their church has assured them (possibly for years) are completely Scriptural, are anything but.
Regardless of how it came about, the fact is, that a small percentage, or remnant of believers have begun to realize that there is a disconnect between what the Bible teaches, and what their church teaches. This has, in many cases, brought up an extremely difficult situation as these people wrestle with the problem of what to do.
However, the path Christians are to take under these circumstances is very clearly outlined by the Scriptures.

Realize The Seriousness of The Problem
When believers who have been deceived are describes as being carried away by the error of the wicked, falling from steadfastness, and departing from the faith, it is no wonder that Jesus, and virtually all the apostles warned the fledgling church to beware of false teachers. Paul did so repeatedly.
  • "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. (Acts 20:29-30 NASB)
    But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, (1 Timothy 4:1 NASB)
    You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, (2 Peter 3:17 NASB)
What makes it worse is how this deception spreads it's poison.

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Churinga

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Beware The Leaven Of The Pharisees:
In the Bible, leaven always symbolized evil - sin and/or false doctrine because of how it works. Leavening agents such as yeast ferments carbohydrates releasing thousands of tiny bubbles of carbon dioxide throughout the dough or batter, biologically changing the chemistry of the dough as it works. This process gives bread it's texture, color and aroma.
Sin, like leaven, has a polluting quality. It doesn't stay small or contained for very long, but is best described by the word "insidious", which means 'working or spreading harmfully in a subtle or stealthy manner'. As both Jesus and Paul pointed out, a little "leaven" was a very dangerous thing. Jesus warned us to "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." several times
  • Jesus said to them, "Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." (Matthew 16:6 NASB)
    "Watch out! Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod." (Mark 8:15 NASB)
    Under these circumstances, after so many thousands of people had gathered together that they were stepping on one another, He began saying to His disciples first of all, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. (Luke 12:1 NASB)
    Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. (1 Corinthians 5:6-7 NASB)
    You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. (Galatians 5:7-9 NASB)
Note: On the feast of Unleavened bread that began on the 15th of Nisan (the day following Passover), and continued for seven days until the 21st of Nisan, God commanded the Israelites to avoid eating any leavened food that contained any fermenting product such as yeast or baking powder. Even modern day Jews who observe the traditional feasts go through a comprehensive, and exhaustive search of their houses for any form of leavened food (chametz), every last crumb of which is then removed. The symbolism of the feast of Unleavened Bread is that God's people can not continue in the same old patterns, but have to search out and remove every speck of sin in their lives... only possible after putting faith in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross. [See The Feasts of Israel]
In recognition of the fact that serious error enslaves and damns and is a matter of life and death, the Bible is unambiguous in it's instructions on how to deal with heresy.

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Lillywolf

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These days I find it very hard to discern the misinformed from the ones who rebuke the Holy Spirit.
I watched for the first time a program with Leah and the Scientology church and discovered also she is exposing the watch tower. My heart just broke for these people who had their lives destroyed in the name of religion.
Now this is a secular program but I thought to myself why can't the church do this? Leah was so sincere in her efforts to expose the lies.
I inquired of the Lord's stand on this which is still in prayer. All I could think about was Elijah and the false prophets.
The anger still Kindles inside as I think about the broken lives these cults have left in their wake.
How the term christianty has taken a turn for the worst as it relates to anything attached to church or God.
So many lies, wives tale, wolves, have been making there way through our watch . We need to be more diligent.
There is at least one TV pastor I know that will at times dedicate his whole broadcast to condemning another pastor. I think that's uncalled for and highly arrogant on his part given his ministry can be judged openly as well.
Further, it isn't in keeping with the scriptures that tell the Ekklesia we are to counsel in private first those who are deemed wrong. And then take it before the assembly if the person remains obstinate in their offense.
The pastor I described does not commit himself to this step by step process.
 

Embankment

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Lillywolf

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#54
I think these folks have much to learn about Jesus. Looks like a cult to me.
Yeah? How far did you bother to look before invoking the C word? Which, if one wishes to be technical about its application, considering the creeds that apply, would make Christianity itself a cult.[kuhlt]
noun
  1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
  2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers:the physical fitness cult.
  3. the object of such devotion.


In Plain Site.org Statement of Faith
 

Embankment

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Yeah? How far did you bother to look before invoking the C word? Which, if one wishes to be technical about its application, considering the creeds that apply, would make Christianity itself a cult.[kuhlt]
noun
  1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
  2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers:the physical fitness cult.
  3. the object of such devotion.


In Plain Site.org Statement of Faith
My definition of a cult is when you claim everyone else is wrong and is on that slippery slope to hell. We are the only true path...
Nothing there about what that path is , just what everyone else is not on it.
 

Embankment

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#56
Any church that teaches bunk that The Christian experience and Jesus is not all about Love missed the mark.
 

Churinga

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Any church that teaches bunk that The Christian experience and Jesus is not all about Love missed the mark.
'Love" Was Not The Core of Jesus' Message
Sadly, the average person thinks Jesus' main message was about love. While it is true that love figured prominently in His message, it was not the core of his proclamation and certainly wasn't what got Him crucified. Neither the Romans nor the Jewish authorities would have been particularly bothered by a Jewish prophet who ran around telling people to love God and love people.
In a nutshell, Jesus' message is summarized in Mark's description of His ministry. (Emphasis Added)
  • Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15 NASB)
In fact, Jesus never stopped talking about the "kingdom of God", which phrase is used over 50 times in the four Gospels alone. Matthew, however, used it only four times, apparently preferring the synonymous "kingdom of heaven", which occurs 32 times in his book. This coming kingdom was not only at the heart of many of Jesus' parables (likened to a mustard seed, a pearl of great price, a banquet given by a king, etc), but He even said that the proclamation of the Kingdom was the reason He was sent to earth.
  • But He said to them, "I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, for I was sent for this purpose." (Luke 4:43 NASB)
Unfortunately, most people, including most Christians, are absolutely in the dark about what the Scriptures mean by the phrase kingdom of God/Heaven.
 

Embankment

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'Love" Was Not The Core of Jesus' Message
Sadly, the average person thinks Jesus' main message was about love. While it is true that love figured prominently in His message, it was not the core of his proclamation and certainly wasn't what got Him crucified. Neither the Romans nor the Jewish authorities would have been particularly bothered by a Jewish prophet who ran around telling people to love God and love people.
In a nutshell, Jesus' message is summarized in Mark's description of His ministry. (Emphasis Added)
  • Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15 NASB)
In fact, Jesus never stopped talking about the "kingdom of God", which phrase is used over 50 times in the four Gospels alone. Matthew, however, used it only four times, apparently preferring the synonymous "kingdom of heaven", which occurs 32 times in his book. This coming kingdom was not only at the heart of many of Jesus' parables (likened to a mustard seed, a pearl of great price, a banquet given by a king, etc), but He even said that the proclamation of the Kingdom was the reason He was sent to earth.
  • But He said to them, "I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, for I was sent for this purpose." (Luke 4:43 NASB)
Unfortunately, most people, including most Christians, are absolutely in the dark about what the Scriptures mean by the phrase kingdom of God/Heaven.
Have you ever read the sermon on the mount?
Jesus only message is Love.
His commandments are:
Love God and love your neighbor.
That is all we are instructed to do.
 

Embankment

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The Love your neighbor part WAS what got Jesus crusified!
It’s that same sin that people of today are so afraid of.
 

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I think about what John the Immerser, Jesus, Paul, Elijah etc. did and said when it came to false prophets, teachers etc........My problem is I call a spade a spade bluntly.......must be the Marine in me HAHAH.............I suppose I deal with people based upon their position or demeanor....some I am very tactful with....others I lay bare and rake over the coals......and for sure I have little patience for those who devalue and trample JESUS under their feet by devaluing the gospel, his sacrifice, promises and power by a working for, self saving, Cainologist dogma........I despise it!
Hi dcontroversial:

I understand the holy indignation against someone defaming, bashing, etc. the Savior and all that He represents, but sometimes is more useful to try to get to the root cause of such behavior, to try to elicit the deep worldview confusion inside so it can be compared to the one shown in the Bible.

Eventually people show their colors, they do not accept the Bible as reliable guide to know about God's reality and how different is from ours. A point usually arrives in which is plain to see that many of those persons are pushing an agenda that is of some group trying to obtain power, submission, etc. for dubious purposes, which many times become evident benefit the person.

Once unmasked, the devil tends to withdraw, the darkness does not prevail against light, and once persons see what they truly stand for, their credibility and message is no longer an effective ensnaring.

Of course there are cases in which there are occult forces at play and meaningful and civil interaction is almost impossible.