Free Will - A More Exhaustive Look
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100% - There is no other way nor option. If humans were entirely free to do as they will, it would be impossible for God to fulfill His Eternal Plan. A nameless person, here, belittled me by saying that this isn't "rocket science." I agree. This requires very little intellect to understand. But what it does require is the Enabling of the Spirit to understand. Unless a person has been Enabled, they CAN NOT understand.
John 9:39 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind."
And yes, today's modern-day "church" is the future reflection of yesterday's Pharisees, Sadducees, and teachers of the law.
John 9:39 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind."
And yes, today's modern-day "church" is the future reflection of yesterday's Pharisees, Sadducees, and teachers of the law.
FreeGrace2 said:
Free will is the freedom to choose between available options. That's all. And everyone therefore has free will.
There is nothing in Romans 11 that teaches that man cannot choose between available options.
I explained that by quoting Paul in Acts 28:26,27, a translation from Isa 6:9,10.
God didn't "give" the nation faulty eyes or ears. They have closed them all by themselves. Please reconsider your own teachings.
Free will is the freedom to choose between available options. That's all. And everyone therefore has free will.
There is nothing in Romans 11 that teaches that man cannot choose between available options.
I explained that by quoting Paul in Acts 28:26,27, a translation from Isa 6:9,10.
God didn't "give" the nation faulty eyes or ears. They have closed them all by themselves. Please reconsider your own teachings.
FreeGrace2 said:
Free will means the freedom to choose between available options
Did you miss the key here? "come to their senses". That's a choice. One the person makes, just like the prodigal did.
I quoted Rom 6:16 and explained it. Address whatever you disagree with about my explanation, and then about the verse itself, which is clear enough for anyone to understand.
Of course I am. The problem is that you are a "hopeless Calvinist", unable to grasp basic Bible doctrines, because of your talking points.
Free will means the freedom to choose between available options
Did you miss the key here? "come to their senses". That's a choice. One the person makes, just like the prodigal did.
I quoted Rom 6:16 and explained it. Address whatever you disagree with about my explanation, and then about the verse itself, which is clear enough for anyone to understand.
Of course I am. The problem is that you are a "hopeless Calvinist", unable to grasp basic Bible doctrines, because of your talking points.
FreeGrace2 said:
The sin nature is IN IN IN us.
Well, brother, you've been deceived if you really believe that. Paul clearly described his own struggles with his own sinful human nature in Romans 7. Read it and note the present tense verses. This ain't no "historical present" either. That's a cop-out to allow people to ignore what Paul was saying. He was speaking presently, not about the past, before he was saved. Don't kid yourself.
You just don't understand what regeneration and transformation means. By all your comments, it seems you think that you no longer sin. Do you believe that?
Regeneration and being born again refers to the human spirit being made alive again. God created Adam and the woman with a body, soul and human spirit. Jesus explained to the Samaritan woman at a well that one needed a human spirit with which to worship God.
God's warning to Adam about the forbidden fruit was "in the day that you eat of it, dying, you shall die". You won't see that translation in any Enlish translation, but it IS in the original Hebrew. iow, the "dying" refers to eventual physical death, and the "die" refers to spiritual death.
So, on that "day" when Adam ate the fruit, his human spirit actually died, and he became separated from God. Which explains why he hid. So God sought him out. And provided the solution to his dead spirit: the gospel promise in the Messiah.
So, all believers are born physically alive and spiritually dead. iow, their human spirit is dead and in need of regeneration.
Regeneration, being born again, or being made alive, all the same thing, is the transformation. The human soul, where the sinful human nature STILL resides doesn't leave. So believers have both a human nature and a divine nature.
You probably haven't ever heard any of this before. Sad.
The sin nature is IN IN IN us.
Well, brother, you've been deceived if you really believe that. Paul clearly described his own struggles with his own sinful human nature in Romans 7. Read it and note the present tense verses. This ain't no "historical present" either. That's a cop-out to allow people to ignore what Paul was saying. He was speaking presently, not about the past, before he was saved. Don't kid yourself.
You just don't understand what regeneration and transformation means. By all your comments, it seems you think that you no longer sin. Do you believe that?
Regeneration and being born again refers to the human spirit being made alive again. God created Adam and the woman with a body, soul and human spirit. Jesus explained to the Samaritan woman at a well that one needed a human spirit with which to worship God.
God's warning to Adam about the forbidden fruit was "in the day that you eat of it, dying, you shall die". You won't see that translation in any Enlish translation, but it IS in the original Hebrew. iow, the "dying" refers to eventual physical death, and the "die" refers to spiritual death.
So, on that "day" when Adam ate the fruit, his human spirit actually died, and he became separated from God. Which explains why he hid. So God sought him out. And provided the solution to his dead spirit: the gospel promise in the Messiah.
So, all believers are born physically alive and spiritually dead. iow, their human spirit is dead and in need of regeneration.
Regeneration, being born again, or being made alive, all the same thing, is the transformation. The human soul, where the sinful human nature STILL resides doesn't leave. So believers have both a human nature and a divine nature.
You probably haven't ever heard any of this before. Sad.
FreeGrace2 said:
Excuse me, but all the verbs are in the present tense.
What I said is true. You can see for yourself.
Then that is what you are accusing Paul of doing. He wrote Rom 7. I didn't. I simply know what he was saying, unlike yourself.
Have you ever read 1 Cor 15:1-11? If not, please do, and quote the verses that include these 3 vital aspects of Christ that are needed for saving faith.
Excuse me, but all the verbs are in the present tense.
What I said is true. You can see for yourself.
Then that is what you are accusing Paul of doing. He wrote Rom 7. I didn't. I simply know what he was saying, unlike yourself.
Have you ever read 1 Cor 15:1-11? If not, please do, and quote the verses that include these 3 vital aspects of Christ that are needed for saving faith.
I did not call a person weird. I am saying that reading "that the reports will make them afraid" means they will be stripped of their free will is weird. It is weird as in not a normal way to read the sentence about "reports" as if this means nothing and does not come into play in their being afraid.
But I am going to bow out of the conversation. I am sensing too much emotions and I don't argue with strangers on the internet. That is not what I am here for. I try to focus on the correct meaning of a text but when it becomes an argument I bow out.
But I am going to bow out of the conversation. I am sensing too much emotions and I don't argue with strangers on the internet. That is not what I am here for. I try to focus on the correct meaning of a text but when it becomes an argument I bow out.
Try to be honest with me.... This is what I said:
I called the IDEA weird not the Christian. If you don't think there is a difference I am not going to spend time explaining it. It would not do any good.
And if you do know the difference but have no qualms about saying I said something I did not say, then it is also a waste of time to explain what I said as I am doing now. Either way it is a waste of my time and I have better things to do. So have a nice day and I will catch up with you in one of your future threads.
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