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The truth - terrorism made this situation happen. For years pilots have lost it, had heart attacks, nervous breakdowns etc. but there was always another pilot ready to take over. Now because of terrorism, if one pilot goes nuts and has 5+ minutes to bring the plane down they can, because to stop terrorists a pilot can lock the door to the cockpit for 5 minutes.
This is why we do not know how many other incidents with other nuts pilots have happened because the flight crews have dealt with them successfully. The industry does not want to say how regular this is, because simply it would undermine a very safe way of travelling, which is stunningly successful. This accident therefore results from the problem of restricting access to a highly dangerous area for good reason, but enabling another problem to exploit it.
I remember the story of a pilot who let their daughter into the pilots seat, and was not supervised while she pressed the buttons. She caused the auto pilot to switch off, and plunged the plane into a massive dive. The pilot fought to get back to the seat and pull the plane out of the dive but too late, and all were killed.
Jumping to the terrorist conspiracy theory all the time unfortunately is just paranoia and dishonours the good things you stand for.
This is why we do not know how many other incidents with other nuts pilots have happened because the flight crews have dealt with them successfully. The industry does not want to say how regular this is, because simply it would undermine a very safe way of travelling, which is stunningly successful. This accident therefore results from the problem of restricting access to a highly dangerous area for good reason, but enabling another problem to exploit it.
I remember the story of a pilot who let their daughter into the pilots seat, and was not supervised while she pressed the buttons. She caused the auto pilot to switch off, and plunged the plane into a massive dive. The pilot fought to get back to the seat and pull the plane out of the dive but too late, and all were killed.
Jumping to the terrorist conspiracy theory all the time unfortunately is just paranoia and dishonours the good things you stand for.
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Good points. I think it is necessary to have the locking cockpit door, however. Had the 9/11 pilots been able to lock down the flight deck, there would have been deaths from the terrorists going nuts killing people near the front as they tried to force the pilots to open the door. My belief is, after the initial shock, some of the passengers would have overpowered them -- each plane had five terrorists, except for Flight 93. That's the one Moussaoui was supposed to be aboard.
No one on this board jumped to conclusions that I saw. To be sure, some of the news media did, particularly in Europe. Here, we discussed possibilities. From the beginning, I said it was either terrorism, or insanity. Appears it may have been a borderline case of the latter.
My question is why Lufthansa's flight surgeon is depending on the airline employee to deliver a "doctor's note" rather than notifying the chief pilot for the airline that Lubitz is unfit to fly? To me, that's the most bizarre factoid I've heard to far.
Good points. I think it is necessary to have the locking cockpit door, however. Had the 9/11 pilots been able to lock down the flight deck, there would have been deaths from the terrorists going nuts killing people near the front as they tried to force the pilots to open the door. My belief is, after the initial shock, some of the passengers would have overpowered them -- each plane had five terrorists, except for Flight 93. That's the one Moussaoui was supposed to be aboard.
No one on this board jumped to conclusions that I saw. To be sure, some of the news media did, particularly in Europe. Here, we discussed possibilities. From the beginning, I said it was either terrorism, or insanity. Appears it may have been a borderline case of the latter.
My question is why Lufthansa's flight surgeon is depending on the airline employee to deliver a "doctor's note" rather than notifying the chief pilot for the airline that Lubitz is unfit to fly? To me, that's the most bizarre factoid I've heard to far.
Don't discount ISLAMIC TERRORISM just yet!
GERMAN NEWS REPORT: Co-Pilot of Germanwings Airbus Was MUSLIM CONVERT …’Hero of Islamic State’? | The Gateway Pundit
GERMAN NEWS REPORT: Co-Pilot of Germanwings Airbus Was MUSLIM CONVERT …’Hero of Islamic State’? | The Gateway Pundit
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Here's a link to an English translation of the original article. Stunning. Unfortunately, not all that surprising. Dang, I hate being right about stuff like this!
The "significant discovery" appears, from what admittedly is only speculaton, to be information regarding his conversion. Wow.
The "significant discovery" appears, from what admittedly is only speculaton, to be information regarding his conversion. Wow.
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A French-language Facebook page has hailed Lubitz as "A hero of Islam." Here is the English translation of the page, as performed by Google Translate.
A depressed person does crazy things. Whether he was a "terrorist" or not, he was a nutcase.
The point I was making is by changing things to avoid terrorism, you can make certain other types of situation more likely.
The problem is how can injustice in one area of the world justify murder and mayhem in another part of the world.
The conceptual jump is guilt by association or where you were born. It is this idea, a conspiracy of evil, rather than the truth of a few nutcases creating an idea, murdering a few people and claiming they are the victims carrying out justice against the oppressor. Because the idea is simple, the internet passes it on quickly and those unhappy with things were they live claim celebrity status by acting out the story. The 15 minutes in the spot light has become the 15 minutes of suicide in the "heroic" war.
The counter narrative I see is just telling the story of ordinary people connected by ordinary lives across the world and no great conspiracies etc taking place. The alternative is much much worse than these nut cases have done.
The point I was making is by changing things to avoid terrorism, you can make certain other types of situation more likely.
The problem is how can injustice in one area of the world justify murder and mayhem in another part of the world.
The conceptual jump is guilt by association or where you were born. It is this idea, a conspiracy of evil, rather than the truth of a few nutcases creating an idea, murdering a few people and claiming they are the victims carrying out justice against the oppressor. Because the idea is simple, the internet passes it on quickly and those unhappy with things were they live claim celebrity status by acting out the story. The 15 minutes in the spot light has become the 15 minutes of suicide in the "heroic" war.
The counter narrative I see is just telling the story of ordinary people connected by ordinary lives across the world and no great conspiracies etc taking place. The alternative is much much worse than these nut cases have done.
There is no report from the US media.......ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX to any of this.............am I the only one that finds that odd? As well, the Authorities in Germany and France are not running with this story. Isn't that odd?
As for what radical Islamic extremist groups claim, so what? They aren't a credible source to begin with.
I would still not buy what is being reported trying to make this guy a terrorist...........wait until ALL of the facts are in, and the full story is revealed. All the evidence the German Authorities have recovered reveals this guy to have SOME KIND of Medical issue, and that he was under a Doctors care. Mental or otherwise............
No horn tooting yet, there will be time for that if it proves to be true. Did we NOT learn anything from Ferguson, Mo.?
As for what radical Islamic extremist groups claim, so what? They aren't a credible source to begin with.
I would still not buy what is being reported trying to make this guy a terrorist...........wait until ALL of the facts are in, and the full story is revealed. All the evidence the German Authorities have recovered reveals this guy to have SOME KIND of Medical issue, and that he was under a Doctors care. Mental or otherwise............
No horn tooting yet, there will be time for that if it proves to be true. Did we NOT learn anything from Ferguson, Mo.?
