French air crash appears to have been deliberate; Co-pilot killed 150 people

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More reports claim Germanwings pilot was locked out of cockpit before crash

Investigators into the deadly crash of Germanwings Flight 9525 faced more questions Thursday after reports emerged that one of the aircraft's two pilots was locked out of the cockpit during the final, fatal descent.

Overnight, the Associated Press and AFP news agencies corroborated an initial report by The New York Times that one of the pilots left the cockpit and was unable to return. The AFP report cited additional details from the cockpit voice recorder, which was recovered hours after the crash Tuesday.

AFP reported that one of the cockpit seats was pushed back and the access door opened and closed. Moments later, a source told the agency that knocking could be heard, but there was no conversation between the pilots. The source added that an alarm warning of the plane's proximity to the ground could be heard just before impact.
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Listening to the French media conference this morning on Fox News, an official for the French equivalent of the NTSB confirmed the reports, saying there was no sound on the last ten minutes of the "black box" cockpit tape, other than the banging that could be heard on the door, and the proximity alarm.

Neither pilot has been identified by Lufthansa, Germanwings' parent company. Again, my guess: This is an act of terrorism, committed by a recently radicalized pilot working for a major airline. Now that's scary!
 
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Apparently the black box was destroyed with the impact from the crash. The recording is from a microphone in the cockpit.

This is sad and scary!!!!
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
Listening to the French media conference this morning on Fox News, an official for the French equivalent of the NTSB confirmed the reports, saying there was no sound on the last ten minutes of the "black box" cockpit tape, other than the banging that could be heard on the door, and the proximity alarm.

Neither pilot has been identified by Lufthansa, Germanwings' parent company. Again, my guess: This is an act of terrorism, committed by a recently radicalized pilot working for a major airline. Now that's scary!
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I cant wait to see the profile on him...
 
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Not sure the date recorder "black box" was destroyed, but they haven't found it yet. That terrain is exceptionally rugged, and its possible the box could have been destroyed, but I think they'll find it mostly intact.

I was incorrect, too. The presser this morning in France was held by the federal prosecutor for terrorism in France. I didn't catch his name.

Also, the co-pilot was 28-year-old German Andreas Lubitz, a recent flight school grad with only 630 hours with Germanwings. He's not known to have terrorist ties -- but neither were any of the recent attackers on U.S. soil known to have terrorist ties until after the fact.
 
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Don't rush into anything here...............just saying.........coulda just been a weirdo............suicidal..........or any other number of things............and he had ONLY been on the job for a few months.
 
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Yes I saw this last night being reported, and this morning is when the released the info about what they heard on the cockpit voice recorder. They are saying the copilot had to deliberately locked the pilot out because if it was just a health issue with the copilot there are procedures that can be done by the pilot to get back in, unless the door is intentionally locked.
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
Listening to the French media conference this morning on Fox News, an official for the French equivalent of the NTSB confirmed the reports, saying there was no sound on the last ten minutes of the "black box" cockpit tape, other than the banging that could be heard on the door, and the proximity alarm.

Neither pilot has been identified by Lufthansa, Germanwings' parent company. Again, my guess: This is an act of terrorism, committed by a recently radicalized pilot working for a major airline. Now that's scary!
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my neighbor was just telling me about this..apparently one pilot left to use the bathroom, and a stewardess was supposed to be in the cockpit with the other pilot until he got back from the bathroom. when he came back, the other pilot had locked him out of the cockpit and he kept pounding on the door to get let in. The pilot in the cockpit apparently had pushed a button or something to make the plane descend..

of course it was a terrorist attack..all incidents like this are..sad thing is that America teaches this guys how to fly, then they go and do terrorist suicide..smh... jmo
 
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blue_ladybug said:
my neighbor was just telling me about this..apparently one pilot left to use the bathroom, and a stewardess was supposed to be in the cockpit with the other pilot until he got back from the bathroom. when he came back, the other pilot had locked him out of the cockpit and he kept pounding on the door to get let in. The pilot in the cockpit apparently had pushed a button or something to make the plane descend..

of course it was a terrorist attack..all incidents like this are..sad thing is that America teaches this guys how to fly, then they go and do terrorist suicide..smh... jmo
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The bad thing is that at this point WHY the pilot was not let back into the cockpit is completely unknown and probably will never be known since there are no survivors. Until the flight recorders are analyzed (which can take months) they will not know if the plane was intentionally taken down via the controls or if there was a mechanical issue that forced the co-pilot to reduce the altitude.

I always kind of chuckle when people begin speculating about this sort of thing (of course major media does it for the ratings) because they always go straight for the worst case scenario. What about other plausible explanations such as the co-pilot becoming incapacitated by a stroke or heart attack, or a possible catastrophic mechanical failure that meant the co-pilot was glued to his seat trying to keep the plane in the air?

IMO an intentional crashing of the plane for the purposes of terror is not very plausible because crashing a plane into a deserted area doesn't have the shock value that crashing a plane into a target such as a populated area has.
 
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The bad thing is that at this point WHY the pilot was not let back into the cockpit is completely unknown and probably will never be known since there are no survivors. Until the flight recorders are analyzed (which can take months) they will not know if the plane was intentionally taken down via the controls or if there was a mechanical issue that forced the co-pilot to reduce the altitude.
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This is totally irrational. The information leading the French prosecutor to conclude the plane was taken down deliberately was the result of analysis of the cockpit voice recorder. The c0-pilot never calls out "Mayday!" and if he was needing help, it was right outside the door, banging and begging to be let in. Your dismissal of French legal and air crash authorities borders on extreme naïveté, if not simply outright apology for terrorism or insanity, neither of which makes any rational sense.

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I always kind of chuckle when people begin speculating about this sort of thing (of course major media does it for the ratings) because they always go straight for the worst case scenario. What about other plausible explanations such as the co-pilot becoming incapacitated by a stroke or heart attack ...
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Breathing normally right up to the point of impact, calm, not panicked, as attested by the French prosecutor. Discredited point before it was even posted.

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... or a possible catastrophic mechanical failure that meant the co-pilot was glued to his seat trying to keep the plane in the air?
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Without making a Mayday call, or making every effort to open the cockpit door, or at least yelling out, "The door control is jammed and I can't get it to release"?? Again, you're attempting to apologize for an act of insanity or terrorism. Which of those two scenarios this crash actually represents remains the only question to be answered.

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IMO an intentional crashing of the plane for the purposes of terror is not very plausible because crashing a plane into a deserted area doesn't have the shock value that crashing a plane into a target such as a populated area has.
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Neither does attacking two police officers with a hatchet rise to a very high level of fear-inducing terrorism, but that's been done, too, just recently in New York City, and before you make any stupid claims "that was just a crazy street guy," it wasn't. He had posted jihadi propaganda on his Facebook page and tweeted to his friends they should "watch for me on the evening news" just before attacking them.

I'm not sure why you're unwilling to see this incident for what it is, particularly since this isn't wild-eyed speculation on my part, or anyone else's, but the direct result of hearing what the French prosecutor, Lufthansa officials, and French air crash professionals have said this morning.

Personally, I think your particular brand of liberalism has crippled your ability to reason, but that's not a professional opinion, by any means.
 
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Yes, it would be interesting

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[Interesting to see how quick people are to judge]



Details emerged Thursday about the co-pilot who French authorities say "deliberately" initiated the descent of the Germanwings flight that crashed this week, killing all 150 people on board. The 28-year-old German, Andreas Lubitz, had worked for Germanwings, a Lufthansa subisidiary, since September 2013, a Lufthansa spokeswoman said Thursday. He qualified as a pilot at the Lufthansa training centre in the northern city of Bremen and began flying for Germanwings immediately after completing the course. He had 630 hours of flight experience, she said.
Lubitz was from the western town of Montabaur and lived with his parents there while keeping a flat in Duesseldorf, a Germanwings hub and the city for which the doomed flight from Barcelona was bound, Montabaur mayor Gabriele Wieland told national news agency, DPA.

French prosecutor Brice Robin said Lubitz was "not known by us" to have links to terrorism or extremists, and that German authorities are expected to provide additional information on his background and private life later Thursday or Friday. Lubitz was registered as a member of a private flight club, LSC Westerwald, and was an avid runner who often took part in local races, according to public records.
The captain of the two-man crew, who has not been identified, had more than 10 years of experience with German flag carrier Lufthansa and its subsidiaries and had clocked up more than 6,000 hours of flight time, most of them on Airbus planes.
The daily Bild named him only as German national Patrick S., in keeping with strict privacy laws, and said he was a father of two children.
Lufthansa said it had no plans to name the flight personnel at this stage of the investigation "to protect the crew and their families," a spokesman told AFP.
Video: Germanwings crash: Andreas Lubitz crashed the plane 'intentionally' - Telegraph

 
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They are saying he did it intentionally and you can hear the pilot attempting to break into the cock pit and the people screaming right before they smoked the mountain......tragic for sure for those who were innocent...........
 
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[Interesting to see how quick people are to judge]
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Yeah, well tell that to French authorities. They've been "quick to judge" based on solid evidence.

It used to amaze me how liberals can look right at something and not see it. No more. They specialize in denying evil, with their White House idiot being the leader of the pack.
 
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Yeah, well tell that to French authorities. They've been "quick to judge" based on solid evidence.

It used to amaze me how liberals can look right at something and not see it. No more. They specialize in denying evil, with their White House idiot being the leader of the pack.
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Are you trying to derail your own thread lol. :p
My comment was about the arab shirt: the poster immediately assumed the pilot had to be a muslim terrorist.
 
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Some explanation beginning to come out as a psychological autopsy is being constructed on co-pilot Lubitz, and more technoinfo is coming out.

Autopilot on doomed German plane reportedly set to crash


The autopilot on the doomed Germanwings plane that crashed into the Alps was abruptly switched to descend to 100 feet, according to a new report Thursday.
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French prosecutors said Andreas Lubitz, the 28-year-old who officials locked the pilot out of the Germanwings cockpit and then calmly slammed the plane into a mountainside at 430 miles per hour. He reportedly battled burnout and depression in 2009, while training to realize his dream of flying.

French prosecutors said Andreas Lubitz, the 28-year-old who officials locked the pilot out of the Germanwings cockpit and then calmly slammed the plane into a mountainside at 430 miles per hour. He reportedly battled burnout and depression in 2009, while training to realize his dream of flying.FlightRadar said its review of data showed the autopilot was manually changed from 38,000 feet to 100 feet and 9 seconds later the aircraft started to descend, probably with the “open descent” autopilot setting, the firm’s CEO Fredrik Lindahl said. The plane slammed into a mountain at 6,000 feet, killing 150 people.
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"Burnout and depression" after only 16 months on the job, and less than a thousand hours airtime?

That sound weird to anyone besides the old, stubborn pilot?

And how about the autopilot being reset? What did he do, commit hari kari after he reset it?
 
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So many questions. So few answers.
 
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I cant wait to see the profile on him...
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They won't release the details. It gives too much to the enemy above and beyond what they already accomplished through his evil terrorist act.

I wonder if they'll change anything at Lufthansa as far as background checks on their pilots from now on? Also, I wonder if his government tracked his online activities at terrorist radical websites the way ours did, via the FBI, when the Muslim terrorist that opened up at Ft.Hood was found to have been monitored for over a year and yet nothing was done.

Then again, in Tennessee there are terrorist training camps operating under the protection of our NSA and the local members of the executive branch, the police.

Something's going on when those entrusted to protect a nation allow terrorists bent on destroying it to train on how to accomplish that very thing right here on our own soil.
And if its happening here, this flight tragedy shows it's liable to be happening everywhere.

God have mercy on the lost. And may that terrorist burn for eternity in the Hell that will surprise him as he thought he would see paradise when it was all over.
Amen!
 
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