Fundamentalism and Particular Baptists
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first off I agree with you 100% I think this take nails the proper spirit to approach this issue. So please bare with me for the rest of my comment.
I SO can't stand the "people chosen for hell" criticism at all. I'm not saying "you" push it, were pushing it, or really anything about you at all. You just mentioned it and I wanted to comment on this thing alone, disconnected form you. So I'm not saying this TO YOU, just generally about that specific criticism I see thrown around here way too often IMO. So please don't read this like I'm coming at you or trying to correct anything you said.
I just hate this argument (honestly it more used as a cudgel than any kind of real argument) that comes up WAY TOO MUCH here, that if you believe God is in control, has ALL power, and gets ALL glory for every bit of every man salvation, then that means you believe in some crazy kind of false monster god that picks who goes to hell.
I can't stand it because it's completely irrelevant in truth, used for division, and based on a totally false premise. It's people criticizing others because they look at something differently, and then form a false view of the matter based on ignorance. See the TRUTH of the matter is God doesn't have to choose anyone for hell no matter what side of this debate you fall on. Know why? That's right, because that is where we are ALL going outside His grace. So this argument, no matter how you want to put lipstick on it, is dumb before it even gets started on a level that it should be dismissed offhand every time we hear it. Why would God have to pick anyone for hell when in TRUTH, that's where we're all going.
Besides that, I've never in my 16 years of being saved, ever heard anyone teach, even once, that God picks who goes to heaven and hell arbitrarily. The only people I've EVER heard say that are the CDSC (Calvin Derangement Syndrome Cult)members here, and they do so in accusation of someone they label and make the enemy based on their knowledge and judgement, outside of anything that person actually says themselves, and feel are called by God to do this and battle for eternity. Only those who throw around these baseless accusations say this at all, ever, in my experience. Like I've never seen them in a conversation with anyone saying the things they accuse people of teaching. Not once.
Anyway Sorry for the rant being tied to your comment, it was solely because you mentioned the "God chooses for hell" thing and I guess I was triggered or something. LOL, but one last time, know I was not at all disagreeing with your main point here, and have a great day brother.
I SO can't stand the "people chosen for hell" criticism at all. I'm not saying "you" push it, were pushing it, or really anything about you at all. You just mentioned it and I wanted to comment on this thing alone, disconnected form you. So I'm not saying this TO YOU, just generally about that specific criticism I see thrown around here way too often IMO. So please don't read this like I'm coming at you or trying to correct anything you said.
I just hate this argument (honestly it more used as a cudgel than any kind of real argument) that comes up WAY TOO MUCH here, that if you believe God is in control, has ALL power, and gets ALL glory for every bit of every man salvation, then that means you believe in some crazy kind of false monster god that picks who goes to hell.
I can't stand it because it's completely irrelevant in truth, used for division, and based on a totally false premise. It's people criticizing others because they look at something differently, and then form a false view of the matter based on ignorance. See the TRUTH of the matter is God doesn't have to choose anyone for hell no matter what side of this debate you fall on. Know why? That's right, because that is where we are ALL going outside His grace. So this argument, no matter how you want to put lipstick on it, is dumb before it even gets started on a level that it should be dismissed offhand every time we hear it. Why would God have to pick anyone for hell when in TRUTH, that's where we're all going.
Besides that, I've never in my 16 years of being saved, ever heard anyone teach, even once, that God picks who goes to heaven and hell arbitrarily. The only people I've EVER heard say that are the CDSC (Calvin Derangement Syndrome Cult)members here, and they do so in accusation of someone they label and make the enemy based on their knowledge and judgement, outside of anything that person actually says themselves, and feel are called by God to do this and battle for eternity. Only those who throw around these baseless accusations say this at all, ever, in my experience. Like I've never seen them in a conversation with anyone saying the things they accuse people of teaching. Not once.
Anyway Sorry for the rant being tied to your comment, it was solely because you mentioned the "God chooses for hell" thing and I guess I was triggered or something. LOL, but one last time, know I was not at all disagreeing with your main point here, and have a great day brother.
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My friend, I cannot tell you how many "Churches" that I was forced to depart from.
Some were such a joke that mere words cannot describe.
And guess what.....I know my God and my Bible better than EVER.
Far far more than I would have stuck in a brackish backwater wanna-be Church.
And my advice to you is: when you start getting the willies and your conscience is on high alert, just go and don't look back.
I credit Chronister for my freedom BTW. The man is an analytical genius. He actually "gets it".
And now.....so do I.
The rub is.....now I am quite aware that far too many others DO NOT.
Some were such a joke that mere words cannot describe.
And guess what.....I know my God and my Bible better than EVER.
Far far more than I would have stuck in a brackish backwater wanna-be Church.
And my advice to you is: when you start getting the willies and your conscience is on high alert, just go and don't look back.
I credit Chronister for my freedom BTW. The man is an analytical genius. He actually "gets it".
And now.....so do I.
The rub is.....now I am quite aware that far too many others DO NOT.
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With this i agree.
However, Paradise and the Kingdom of God has begun here and now for me.
Paul also says "
If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
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So it's a matter of perspective and more importantly how we express ourselves to others so we don't sound full of ourselves.
However, Paradise and the Kingdom of God has begun here and now for me.
Paul also says "
If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
"
So it's a matter of perspective and more importantly how we express ourselves to others so we don't sound full of ourselves.
Major, i'm not gonna lie but the interpretations of American Baptist Church seems to align more with Eastern Christianity, i told you this before.
For example, you and the millennial make a lot of valid points which are true in my Church.
She recently mentioned communion where you're not allowed to have a non-baptized person, communion.
In fact i'll do you one better. How about not being allowed to have communion based on nationality?
For example, i went to an Egyptian Church once for prayers. One of the priests at the door told me: You can't have communion here because you're not Egyptian.
Of course a regular American like yourself might have sued that guy for discrimination, but i simply laughed and i said: "I'm not here for your communion, i'm here because i saw your church in a dream and i need to pray here for a while".
He was taken back by that and said : "let me talk to our head priest" ... and then they let me in.
Imagine going into a church by showing your passport major!
For example, you and the millennial make a lot of valid points which are true in my Church.
She recently mentioned communion where you're not allowed to have a non-baptized person, communion.
In fact i'll do you one better. How about not being allowed to have communion based on nationality?
For example, i went to an Egyptian Church once for prayers. One of the priests at the door told me: You can't have communion here because you're not Egyptian.
Of course a regular American like yourself might have sued that guy for discrimination, but i simply laughed and i said: "I'm not here for your communion, i'm here because i saw your church in a dream and i need to pray here for a while".
He was taken back by that and said : "let me talk to our head priest" ... and then they let me in.
Imagine going into a church by showing your passport major!
Some take a little longer.
And believe me, the disappointment is crushing.
Its like walking into a prison and the "pastor" and his henchmen are the wardens.
But......should I find the "right" one, I will know with a great deal of certainty.
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Romans 1 tells us people basically can look at Creation as a form of God manifesting Himself to them and many will reject God. But in order to reject means they have the ability to believe.
Romans 1 even furthers the sentiment by explaining because they keep rejecting God He gives them over to a reprobate mind.
But they demonstrate the ability to believe if they choose to do so and that is faith. But they deny by reasoning and end up rejecting God.
Romans 1 even furthers the sentiment by explaining because they keep rejecting God He gives them over to a reprobate mind.
But they demonstrate the ability to believe if they choose to do so and that is faith. But they deny by reasoning and end up rejecting God.
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I love this! It's a feeling that i have but i can't say it. Especially to a non-believer.
But i agree with you 100%.
When you have the Kingdom of God in you, you have overcome the fallen world in a lot of ways.
This is what made Saints in history unshakable in their faith even when they faced torture and death. Torture!!!
But i agree with you 100%.
When you have the Kingdom of God in you, you have overcome the fallen world in a lot of ways.
This is what made Saints in history unshakable in their faith even when they faced torture and death. Torture!!!
This is what I use. Has a decent search tools and is well indexed.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/
I listen to Chronister daily.
I do not agree with EVERYTHING he says......but man it is SO CLOSE.
I call him and email him once in a while.
Poor guys health is getting compromised. Pls pray for him.
He is the real deal. As opposed to the frauds and fakes and posers.
He has more knowledge in his little finger than......well you know.
He makes the "other guys" sound like carnival barkers. Seriously.
And yea, he is dead right about the fraud that is hyper-Calvinism thats for sure.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/
I listen to Chronister daily.
I do not agree with EVERYTHING he says......but man it is SO CLOSE.
I call him and email him once in a while.
Poor guys health is getting compromised. Pls pray for him.
He is the real deal. As opposed to the frauds and fakes and posers.
He has more knowledge in his little finger than......well you know.
He makes the "other guys" sound like carnival barkers. Seriously.
And yea, he is dead right about the fraud that is hyper-Calvinism thats for sure.
Major, everyone's theology is based on GW but the reason i love to discuss these Bible topics with you is because you're very self-aware, humble and flexible.
Maybe we can go to our 'old guys' thread where it's quiet over there with only a few old guys drinking coffee.
Maybe we can go to our 'old guys' thread where it's quiet over there with only a few old guys drinking coffee.
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