Gay/LGBT "Christian" Singers
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His point concerned what Jesus said concerning the men of Sodom repenting had they seen the miracles and works of JESUS.....
as we know...Lot was the only righteous man and his soul was vexed by the filthy manner of life that he had witnessed day after day....God "nuked" Sodom with Fire and Brimstone.........BEFORE the giving of the LAW I might add........literally 4 of the 5 cities of the plain fell under that judgment and the 5th would have had not Lot been allowed to go to it......
Somewhat, it was Abraham who asked God to save the city Sodom. (He wasn't a prophet)
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Somewhat, it was Abraham who asked God to save the city Sodom. (He wasn't a prophet)
Sweet, I was sorta there lol... now I know!!!
Somewhat, it was Abraham who asked God to save the city Sodom. (He wasn't a prophet)
UMMM...go read the following....it is about Abraham and he is the first to be called as such....
Genesis 20:6-7 Then God said to him in the dream, "Yes, I know that in the integrity of your heart you have done this, and I also kept you from sinning against Me; therefore I did not let you touch her. Now therefore, restore the man's wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you will live. But if you do not restore her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours
The true sign of a believer is that when they sin they seek forgiveness. Granted, not everybody or every circumstance is the same, so I don't want to sound like I'm giving you a blanket statement. It's not a 'one size fits all' question you asked.
But, I do not believe a true believer will dwell and wallow in sin for years before they repent, either.
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Natania, I hope this helps.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11: "Do you not know that the unrighteous (unsaved) will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you (believers) were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God"
The sins mentioned in this particular scripture are identified as lifestyle sins, such as thieves, homosexuals, people living these sinful lifestyles. These people are identified as the unrighteous, so these people are not saved. They're not believers. They haven't been convicted of their sins, and the living of these lifestyles is evidence of this.
A distinction is made between non believers and believers. In that last verse it addresses believers who have the Holy Spirit, confirming "and such were some of you" (some of you used to be thieves, etc) before you were saved. For example, a thief who gets saved will no longer continue to be a thief. A homosexual who gets saved will no longer continue living a homosexual lifestyle. They've become new creatures in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17-19).
A believer does not become sinless though. We will slip up once in a while, whether through pride or anger, or another temptation.
There are testimonies of gay men who got saved and then became attracted to women. There are also gay men who have temptations and continue to struggle, but since being saved they no longer live in that continual sinful lifestyle. A true believer would not, and a true believer would also not promote homosexuality as being acceptable to God either. Just as a true believer would not promote murder or stealing.
Another message we can take from that scripture is that God saves the most wicked and evil sinners. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). So there are no misunderstandings, it would not be true to say that a gay person can never be saved because they're gay. Salvation is a free gift. But then once that gay person gets saved they will no longer want to live a homosexual lifestyle, because they know it's not pleasing to God. They will have that conviction. "Such were some of you (believers)". The evidence can be seen by that person no longer engaging in past sinful lifestyles such as homosexuality. A christian can have temptations, but they will not engage in that lifestyle.
Since I quoted 1 Cor 6:9-11 we should also examine the verses that precede it. Though verses 1-8 are not relevant to the topic of this thread, they do give further context to this scripture, where the focus is on believers versus non believers, so they flow together...
V1-8: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers!
Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!" ...............Do you not know that the unrighteous (unsaved) will not inherit the kingdom of God?
1 Corinthians 6:9-11: "Do you not know that the unrighteous (unsaved) will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you (believers) were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God"
The sins mentioned in this particular scripture are identified as lifestyle sins, such as thieves, homosexuals, people living these sinful lifestyles. These people are identified as the unrighteous, so these people are not saved. They're not believers. They haven't been convicted of their sins, and the living of these lifestyles is evidence of this.
A distinction is made between non believers and believers. In that last verse it addresses believers who have the Holy Spirit, confirming "and such were some of you" (some of you used to be thieves, etc) before you were saved. For example, a thief who gets saved will no longer continue to be a thief. A homosexual who gets saved will no longer continue living a homosexual lifestyle. They've become new creatures in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17-19).
A believer does not become sinless though. We will slip up once in a while, whether through pride or anger, or another temptation.
There are testimonies of gay men who got saved and then became attracted to women. There are also gay men who have temptations and continue to struggle, but since being saved they no longer live in that continual sinful lifestyle. A true believer would not, and a true believer would also not promote homosexuality as being acceptable to God either. Just as a true believer would not promote murder or stealing.
Another message we can take from that scripture is that God saves the most wicked and evil sinners. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). So there are no misunderstandings, it would not be true to say that a gay person can never be saved because they're gay. Salvation is a free gift. But then once that gay person gets saved they will no longer want to live a homosexual lifestyle, because they know it's not pleasing to God. They will have that conviction. "Such were some of you (believers)". The evidence can be seen by that person no longer engaging in past sinful lifestyles such as homosexuality. A christian can have temptations, but they will not engage in that lifestyle.
Since I quoted 1 Cor 6:9-11 we should also examine the verses that precede it. Though verses 1-8 are not relevant to the topic of this thread, they do give further context to this scripture, where the focus is on believers versus non believers, so they flow together...
V1-8: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers!
Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!" ...............Do you not know that the unrighteous (unsaved) will not inherit the kingdom of God?
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okay. thanks for your reasonable response.
I would like to point out that it was the op who started the 'gossip' path with his video of 2 gay men who are SUPPOSEDLY leading worship at a NYC church affiliated with the Australian church Hillsong
there are NO gay men leading worship there. it's a rumor. not true and spreading the lie is murderous because it makes the entire church, from Brian Houston on down, as something to be avoided from the 'pure' Christian
first of all, none of us are pure without the blood of Christ and it is a daily walk.
I love Hillsong's music, but I would not defend them if they were practicing or allowing homosexuality
I could write alot more with regards to how churches are run, what happens when something gets as big as Hillsong and so on, but I would like to think people can think for themselves and understand that Christians are nothing without Christ
and that seems to be something many of us forget.
[video=youtube;nQWFzMvCfLE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQWFzMvCfLE[/video]
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Played a lot, but that's because it's awesome!! I think it's much better to Worship and Praise the Lord, rather than to just happen to "search the internet" and innocently find heretics!
[video=youtube;dy9nwe9_xzw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy9nwe9_xzw[/video]
[video=youtube;dy9nwe9_xzw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy9nwe9_xzw[/video]
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This video is done by the singer himself. He is admitting it.
[video=youtube;TfpdmAm1xog]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfpdmAm1xog[/video]
He shows how easily songwriting & performing can be done without the Spirit's anointing. That in itself should be eye-opening.
[video=youtube;TfpdmAm1xog]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfpdmAm1xog[/video]
He shows how easily songwriting & performing can be done without the Spirit's anointing. That in itself should be eye-opening.
David took Bathsheba, Killed Uriah and was confronted by NATHAN after the child was born about his sin which ate on him for at least 9 months before he repents..........
I think this thread has definitely proven the point that the church is on a slippery slope increasing speed.
When folks take offense at every other post & sow rudeness instead of mercy, my, my.
I think we forget that not every group that identifies as a church is indeed a church..........right?
People can still operate in their anointing and still be messed up in their minds and be deceived by the deceitfulness of sin.
Christians do it all the time - just look at how some people including supposedly self-professed to be pastors have malice and slander others in the body of Christ.
The callings and gifts of God are without repentance.
This doesn't make any type of sinning right as it is contrary to the life of Christ in us. Let's learn to walk by the spirit.
I have seen ministers that are anointed in certain areas preach on that subject and it is wonderful but when they get off in other areas - they are a mess.
Christians do it all the time - just look at how some people including supposedly self-professed to be pastors have malice and slander others in the body of Christ.
The callings and gifts of God are without repentance.
This doesn't make any type of sinning right as it is contrary to the life of Christ in us. Let's learn to walk by the spirit.
I have seen ministers that are anointed in certain areas preach on that subject and it is wonderful but when they get off in other areas - they are a mess.