Gay Marriage?

[Rogo]

This debate as you call it, is a waste of time. Judging from your questioning, you've seem to have read the bible in an attempt to try and pick it apart in justifying homosexuality. Which you've already stated that you were gay.

I think it depends on one's interpretation of the Bible. It's only until recently that people have succumbed to biblical literalism. But I do not wish to continue any further about scripture. I am not a Christian so I feel it's not technically my place to quote it or use it in a debate when I myself do not abide by it.

And you explain to me how comparing homosexuality with bestiality are two completely different things?

Other species cannot technically consent and you cannot form an actual relationship with one. An intimate relationship, as it is usually defined, is the bonding of two (consenting) beings together on an emotional, intellectual, and physical level. Something a human and an organism of another species cannot do... while Homosexuals, on the other hand, can (and have).

Now back to the topic at hand, Gay Marriage. If that is what this government wish to allow. that is between them and God. What i believe should have no bearing on anyone else. only through my actions. and just because i don't agree with homosexuality, don't mean i have the right to tell a person what to do or not do. But if you ask me what the word say, I'mma tell you!

Good to hear. That is really all I care about.

 

[psychomom]

Wait, it's only recently.......wait...what?? People have succumbed... wait...what?!? "It's only until recently that people have succumbed to Biblical literacy"?!??
Did I hear that right??

That's the kind of thing I hear from my oldest daughter, who is gay. It's the kind of (I hate to use this word) propaganda the LGBTQ community uses to dismiss God and His word and His people. It ain't so, and that's a fact. I don't believe that 100 years ago (or a thousand years ago) people of God said to one another, "Yeah, what God says about homosexualtiy in the Bbile isn't meant to be literal, you know."

C'mon, now. That's preposterous nonsense. True followers of Jesus haven't taken that stand ever. I mean, the real deal, born again Christian type believers. Historically speaking, it just isn't so. Read some old sermons from hundreds of years ago. God's people took His word quite seriously and quite literally, I promise you.

 

[frankleespeaking]

Hi all,

This is a really hot topic here in the UK at the moment. The current Prime Minister (and church-going Christian) David Cameron is proposing changing the law to allow same-sex marriage.

For those that don't know, the current UK law is that same-sex couples can only enter into 'civil partnerships', rather than full marriage.

In response, many important clergymen across the UK (inlcuding the Archbishop of York) have argued against the proposed change in the law, saying that same-sex couples should NOT be allowed to marry.

My own personal view is that same-sex couples SHOULD be allowed the same rights as heterosexual couples, and be allowed to marry.

I think that, even though Christians (generally) believe that homosexuality is a sin, that does not mean we should be forcing everybody else to abide by our own rules.

For example, we all agree that worshipping other gods is a sin, and yet no-one bats an eyelid when Muslims get married, or Jews, or Sikhs, or atheists.

So if these other, non-Christian 'sinners' are allowed to marry, then why not same-sex couples?

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating that the church be forced into allowing same-sex marriages occur in church property - I still think the church should be allowed to pick and choose who gets married within Christian churches.

But if same-sex couples want to get married in a registry office or some other building, then legally I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do so.

Are the church out of date? Should the church have the right to interfere in matters of state?

Or are they the last bastion of morality in an increasingly immoral society?

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

K x

what I find most interesting about your whole post is your personal opinion and God's do not line up in the least, that should be a red flag to what you consider to be a follower of Christ and His Father, for Jesus thought the same way as His Father, and it appears you don't .........thats very interesting?

 

[frankleespeaking]

I'm afraid it doesn't work that way... Homosexuals are born gay (I know from experience). You can't simply force them into heterosexual relationships... they would be miserable.

As I said before... many Christians choose to ignore the aspects of the Bible (which I previously listed), so why not choose to ignore this one?

all you know is that you have been given over to a depraved mind, as it clearly states in Romans 1:28 from the list of things mentioned by the apostle Paul you are the most untrust worthy source of truth on this planet, I should know better than most, I was once as gay as you can get, but as the apostle Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 6:11 I was washed, I was santified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

I was made a new creation in Christ, old things passed away and all things became new, even my orientation was transformed, and changed. but you don't want to hear this! in fact just hearing someone was delivered out of the homosexual delusion makes you angry, its because the spirit thats leading you hates God and His truth.

Jesus said whoever wants to follow Him must deny himself and follow Him, I never understood the power behind giving up my own sinful desires and believing what the bible says about what homosexuality is, until I put it into practice........Its a delusion much like anorexia, to the victim of anorexia her mind tells her she's fat (its a lie) her eyes look into a mirror and she actually see's fat (its a lie) her body and mind are completely deceived to what the truth is, the truth is she is dying of starvation, but nomatter how many close friends try to tell her she's skin and bones she doesn't believe them

she is decieved in believing a lie, she is under a strong delusion......homosexuality is as similar as this anorexic girl in relation to having both mind and body completely deceived as to what the truth really is.

her only hope is fighting against the lie, eating even though her mind and body completely tell her its the wrong thing to do, the onlly hope for the homosexual is fighting the lie that they were born that way. also they need the power of Jesus Christ to overcome the devises of the enemy,

I don't even think about gay things anymore, they are as foriegn to me as any hetrosexual man, but it wasn't an overnight battle, many things had to be dealt with, there are thousands of different factors that help drive people into that lifestyle, and satan and his demons know just how to use each and everyone of them to their advantage

the anorexic girl allows her own self image to be a form of idolatry, she becomes so absorbed in how she looks that her own flesh becomes her idol, many homosexuals have found their way there by this same path

 

[biggiestomp]

all you know is that you have been given over to a depraved mind, as it clearly states in Romans 1:28 from the list of things mentioned by the apostle Paul you are the most untrust worthy source of truth on this planet, I should know better than most, I was once as gay as you can get, but as the apostle Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 6:11 I was washed, I was santified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

I was made a new creation in Christ, old things passed away and all things became new, even my orientation was transformed, and changed. but you don't want to hear this! in fact just hearing someone was delivered out of the homosexual delusion makes you angry, its because the spirit thats leading you hates God and His truth.

Jesus said whoever wants to follow Him must deny himself and follow Him, I never understood the power behind giving up my own sinful desires and believing what the bible says about what homosexuality is, until I put it into practice........Its a delusion much like anorexia, to the victim of anorexia her mind tells her she's fat (its a lie) her eyes look into a mirror and she actually see's fat (its a lie) her body and mind are completely deceived to what the truth is, the truth is she is dying of starvation, but nomatter how many close friends try to tell her she's skin and bones she doesn't believe them

she is decieved in believing a lie, she is under a strong delusion......homosexuality is as similar as this anorexic girl in relation to having both mind and body completely deceived as to what the truth really is.

her only hope is fighting against the lie, eating even though her mind and body completely tell her its the wrong thing to do, the onlly hope for the homosexual is fighting the lie that they were born that way. also they need the power of Jesus Christ to overcome the devises of the enemy,

I don't even think about gay things anymore, they are as foriegn to me as any hetrosexual man, but it wasn't an overnight battle, many things had to be dealt with, there are thousands of different factors that help drive people into that lifestyle, and satan and his demons know just how to use each and everyone of them to their advantage

the anorexic girl allows her own self image to be a form of idolatry, she becomes so absorbed in how she looks that her own flesh becomes her idol, many homosexuals have found their way there by this same path

Praise God for these words! A person who shares with compassion, has gone through that valley and understands the struggles of that particular sin. Bless you!

 

[jack4022]

frankleespeaking, I am sry that u feel that way about ur sexuality. It profoundly saddens me that the community has let down so many people like u. Much of the community is unhealthy and often times dangerous, but there is a loving and supportive side as well u just have to get to know the right people. Much like there are unhealthy aspects to heterosexuality, homosexuality carries risk of disease, unrealistic standards of beauty, social cliques, and unhealthy sex. However, just because a person identifies as homosexual does not mean they automatically have the previously stated problems. I myself am no where near the stereotype in terms of my behavior, and I have many LGBT friends who are the same way. The LGBT community in my opinion will deal with these issues eventually its just that much of the focus of rights groups and community specific groups are targeting employment equality, housing equality, anti-discrimination, and anti-violence campaigns, not to mention the whole marriage/civil unions battle.

 

[frankleespeaking]

frankleespeaking, I am sry that u feel that way about ur sexuality. It profoundly saddens me that the community has let down so many people like u. Much of the community is unhealthy and often times dangerous, but there is a loving and supportive side as well u just have to get to know the right people. Much like there are unhealthy aspects to heterosexuality, homosexuality carries risk of disease, unrealistic standards of beauty, social cliques, and unhealthy sex. However, just because a person identifies as homosexual does not mean they automatically have the previously stated problems. I myself am no where near the stereotype in terms of my behavior, and I have many LGBT friends who are the same way. The LGBT community in my opinion will deal with these issues eventually its just that much of the focus of rights groups and community specific groups are targeting employment equality, housing equality, anti-discrimination, and anti-violence campaigns, not to mention the whole marriage/civil unions battle.

don't be sorry, nobody let me down!.....who the Son sets free is free indeed!.....I've never been happier in my life, living a normal hetrosexual life, and enjoying every minute of it. whats really sad is those false teachers who try to keep homosexuals retaining their gay indentity, but simply white knuckling and abstaining from the deceptive lust that they crave..........what person in his right mind would stop stealing but continue to allow himself to be called a thief.........or a man who cheated on his wife and repented and has lived faithfully to his wife continually to keep the title adulterer

but for some reason when a homosexual gets born again, is a new creation in Christ, they're suppossed to retain their gay identity, even though the thoughts and actions no longer remain.....thats just crazy!.............I'm sure your under the impression that they never lose those desires, probably not if they keep thinking about them, I would imagine the same to be true for a man who cheated on his wife, if he repented of his actions but then constantly daydreamed and fantasized about his sinful escapades how long do you think he would go before falling back into the same sin

 

[biggiestomp]

Christianity is no root of "homophobia." In the first place "homophobia" is a foolishly politicized term that bears false witness. People who oppose homosexuality or homosexual marriage on moral grounds are not simply "afraid" (phobia) -- many may be morally opposed because they see the harm in it (whether they regard it as contrary to natural common sense, social structure, and/or God).
But if we're to sink to this very poor level of dialogue, shall Christians insist on referring to people who disagree with them as "Christophobes"? Please. Let's not.

Other sins that occur naturally in the tempted human heart that we might rename to salve your delicate conscience:

Burglary: Theftophobia
Rape: Violenceophobia
Sex with animals: Barnophobia

So seriously, if you want to make an argument in favor of homosexuality or homosexual marriage, go for it. But please put down the nonsense language. It doesn't discern any real truth.

These are the lies of the enemy! The first clue of the lie, being that some wish to think this is a civil rights issue, Since when are civil rights subject to public approval?

 

[rtb]

In the Bible Belt obesity is blamed on genetics while being gay is a "lifestyle choice".

 

[Miguel7]

Genetics affects weight gain, but is not the only factor. Also, this is an over generalized statement about an entire group of people.

In the Bible Belt obesity is blamed on genetics while being gay is a "lifestyle choice".

 

[CS1]

completely support marriage equality, however I have no problem with religious figures being able to decide they do not want to participate in the marriage ceremony.

 

[CS1]

well again marriage is the plan a plan of God for man not to be alone. He presented women to man and He called Her " Wife". God performed the first marrige and blessed it. It is a Plan of God Now the question is was God wrong in His plan for man?

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

completely support marriage equality, however I have no problem with religious figures being able to decide they do not want to participate in the marriage ceremony.

^ this has been my view for quite some time now, I wouldn't want someone to be forced to marry me.. I wouldn't want my wedding day dampened by someone who had no desire to be there.


Oh and I do think the word "homophobia" is used to much, as well as biphobia and transphobic, there are situations where it's warranted, just not every time there is a disagreement or someone uses the wrong pro nouns.

 

[CS1]

I must say that is not my position in ref to gay marriage (completely support marriage equality,) the term id deceptive in nature how? because the "equality" that you speak of is in the marrige between one man and one women. They are ONE they become ONE as God has said

 

[tribesman]

I think it depends on one's interpretation of the Bible. It's only until recently that people have succumbed to biblical literalism. But I do not wish to continue any further about scripture. I am not a Christian so I feel it's not technically my place to quote it or use it in a debate when I myself do not abide by it.
Other species cannot technically consent and you cannot form an actual relationship with one. An intimate relationship, as it is usually defined, is the bonding of two (consenting) beings together on an emotional, intellectual, and physical level. Something a human and an organism of another species cannot do... while Homosexuals, on the other hand, can (and have).


Good to hear. That is really all I care about.

I don't agree with your views. But to go off-topic: fun that you have a TMR pic of Capt. Beefheart as your avatar! He's one of my favs that geezer.

 

[Jullianna]

Wait, it's only recently.......wait...what?? People have succumbed... wait...what?!? "It's only until recently that people have succumbed to Biblical literacy"?!??
Did I hear that right??

That's the kind of thing I hear from my oldest daughter, who is gay. It's the kind of (I hate to use this word) propaganda the LGBTQ community uses to dismiss God and His word and His people. It ain't so, and that's a fact. I don't believe that 100 years ago (or a thousand years ago) people of God said to one another, "Yeah, what God says about homosexualtiy in the Bbile isn't meant to be literal, you know."

C'mon, now. That's preposterous nonsense. True followers of Jesus haven't taken that stand ever. I mean, the real deal, born again Christian type believers. Historically speaking, it just isn't so. Read some old sermons from hundreds of years ago. God's people took His word quite seriously and quite literally, I promise you.

*applauding*

It's awesome when people slice through the baloney and drag out the truth. This is what it takes to end the collective nodding of the masses hypnotized by the artists of deception known as the LGBTQ.

 

[CS1]

Okay, I get it now: people are advocating that 'marriage' only refers to a union blessed by God, and that any redefinition is inherently wrong. 'Same sex marriage' is therefore an oxymoron, as it is not blessed by any god.

So my point remains: if atheists are entitled to these godless 'faux-marriages' and enjoy all the legal rights and privileges of a proper religious marriage, they why shouldn't same-sex couples also have that option?

And if a new religion were to be founded, one whose adherents worshipped a god who approved of same-sex marriage, would that count as a non-Christian godly 'marriage' equal to a Jewish or Jehovah's Witness marriage?

Good question, if a new religon were to be found ? "well they 're here" !!! it is not what they want those who seek gay marriage they want acceptance from the Church faith and many have and are taking the Word of GOd out of context to support what they want to do that is what you are saying if one says no seek one that says yes. remember many religons out there that are not christian approve of more than one wife or marriage to very young girls here in the United States that is not allowed YET. The question is where do we stop or does anything go?

anyone can seek any belief system they want but if one is looking at marrige from a Christian and biblical point of view in context to marriage God's plan has been and continues to be between one man and one women.

 

[CS1]

completely support marriage equality, however I have no problem with religious figures being able to decide they do not want to participate in the marriage ceremony.

I put the above from a post and I have stated I do not agree with it

 

[frankleespeaking]

completely support marriage equality, however I have no problem with religious figures being able to decide they do not want to participate in the marriage ceremony.

but see there's twist if the law says its legal, they have the right to bring law suits against churches who won't marry them for discrimination thats the slippery slope nobody seems to see

 

[Ugly]

Well of course... Most know that it's not technically constitutional (as far as physically existing within the Constitution)... it's merely a philosophy and (to some... myself included) an interpretation of the 1st Amendment (specifically the Establishment Clause). And you are incorrect about it not working both ways. The original intent behind forming the concept was to, yes, prevent the government from interfering with religious affairs. But it then developed to where it both upheld that idea as well as calling for the inability of the government to directly support any specific religion.



It seems to me he was supporting the idea of the government and relgion being two completely separate entities that do not (directly) interfere with one another.

Most of the people i see quoting that are surprised to find out its not in the constitution. I've even heard new casters quote it as constitutional.