Geneva Fallout: Iran Becomes A Nuclear Power While Israel Loses Trust In Obama Read m

  • Thread starter Thread starter Graybeard
  • Start date Start date
  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
G

Graybeard

Guest
iran%20bomb.jpg
Israel’s most painful lesson from the two-day Geneva conference on Iran’s nuclear program is that the man who guaranteed to defend Israel’s security, President Barack Obama, is now marching hand in hand with Tehran towards a nuclear-armed Iran.

This is the reality behind the fuss and excitement surrounding the signing ceremony in Geneva Friday, Nov. 8, and the slick words gushing forth to put a convincing face on the interim deal put together between Iran and the Six Powers Thursday and Friday.

President Obama broke the news to NBC Thursday night: “There is a possibility of a phased agreement, the first part of which would stop Iran from further expanding its nuclear program.

We are offering modest relief from the sanctions, but keeping the core sanctions in place, so that if it turned out during the course of the six months when we're trying to resolve some bigger issues that they're backing out of the deal or… not giving us assurances that they're not developing a nuclear weapon, we can crank that dial back up," the US president said.

Friday morning, when US Secretary of State John Kerry was heading for Geneva to join Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif for the final signing stage, it was still unclear what Iran is willing to concede.

This is because no one was ready to admit exactly what the agreed “freeze” applied to and how far it is from “dismantlement “

Iran had in fact already achieved all the makings of a nuclear bomb and was holding them in place ready for assembly. Uranium enrichment will furthermore continue although at a low grade.

At any moment, Tehran may decide to assemble those components and produce a bomb and has the capacity to do so before the US or Israel catch on to what is happening.

The accord to be signed Friday elevates Iran automatically to the rank of a nuclear power, which already holds Syria, Iraq and Lebanon under its sway. The radical alliance binding Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Syria’s Bashar Assad and Hizballah’s Hassan Nasrallah has triumphed. Israel fell down badly by trusting the Obama administration to break this axis up before it spreads more violence and havoc across the region.

Before setting off for Geneva, Secretary Kerry warned Israel that the breakdown of talks with the Palestinians would result in a third “intifada.”

But he made no reference to the Iranian nuclear intifada now looming over Israel and the entire Middle East.

Before coming to Jerusalem, the US Secretary visited Riyadh. But there was nothing much for him to discuss with King Abdullah and Foreign Minister Saud Al-Faisal, because both had accepted that there is no chance of turning the Obama administration from its chosen track which results in Iran enjoying the freedom to pursue a nuclear weapon amid progressively enhanced sanctions relief.

Some time ago, the Saudis took what they saw as appropriate preemptive action.

On Jan. 1, 2013, Crown Prince Salman, deputy premier and defense minister, traveled to Islamabad and commissioned Pakistan to build nuclear weapons for a multibillion fee. Those weapons were assembled in Pakistan and held ready for transfer to Saudi Arabia at a moment’s notice.

Last week, former Israeli Military Intelligence (AMAN) chief Amos Yadlin told a conference in Sweden that if Iran got the bomb, “the Saudis will not wait one month. They have already paid for the bomb and will go to Pakistan and bring back what they need.”

So the countdown to a nuclear Saudi Arabia begins with the signing of the "interim" Iranian nuclear deal in Geneva. Its first result will be the deployment of a Sunni Muslim Arab nuke versus a Shiite Iranian bomb. Israel’s reputed nuclear program remains in its decades-old holding position.

The burgeoning nuclear standoff will inject a further unstable element in the volatile Middle East.

Washington has not chosen that road out of stupidity or blindness as some dismayed Israeli officials are saying. The plan appears to be not only to present Israel with a nuclear challenge, but to put a damper on Russia’s strategic and military momentum in the region.

Even if this calculus proves correct it will take years for it to unfold.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu admitted he was stunned by the terms of the accord negotiated with Iran, calling it a “monumental, historic mistake” and “Iran’s deal of the century.”

Tehran has conceded nothing and receives limited sanctions relief, he said.

The interim agreement, said Netanyahu, buries the possibility of a peaceful final accord for dismantling Iran's nuclear program once and for all. “Israel is not obliged by this agreement and will do everything it needs to do to defend itself and defend the security of its people,” he said.

His words carried two messages:

1. Israel has abandoned its trust in Barack Obama ever complying with his pledge to its security and will henceforth act on its own.

2. Israel’s only remaining course now is to exercise its military option against Iran’s nuclear capability – whether openly or covertly.

For five years, Binyamin Netanyahu has repeatedly warned the world that Israel was ready for military action to preempt a nuclear-armed Iran. Each successive repetition was received on a diminishing scale of credibility. His response to the Geneva accord is therefore anyone’s guess.

[FONT=verdana, sans serif][SIZE=2"][/SIZE][/FONT]
link
 
well bout times we stopped wasting funds on israel's defense. they're all adults they can handle themselves. If they can't maybe they should give the land back to the palestinians and go home.
 
well bout times we stopped wasting funds on israel's defense. they're all adults they can handle themselves. If they can't maybe they should give the land back to the palestinians and go home.

As long as the same goes for Europe.
 
It is interesting that all the focus is on Iran and their possible nukes and none on Israel.

The hypocrisy of Israel demanding the US do something about Iran. Considering Israel has threatened to bring the whole world down with their Nukes. I really don't understand why they continue not to be held to account for what they say or do.


The following interview of the Jewish military historian Martin van Crefeld by the Dutch magazine Elsevier


Interviewer: A plan to deport the Palestinians?

Creveld: I think it’s quite possible that he wants to do that. He wants to escalate the conflict. He knows that nothing else we do will succeed.

Interviewer: Do you think that the world will allow that kind of ethnic cleansing?

Creveld: That depends on who does it and how quickly it happens. We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force.

Interviewer: Wouldn’t Israel then become a rogue state?

Creveld: Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under.


Dutch-Israeli Military Historian - 'We Are Destroying Ourselves'
 
Last edited:
well bout times we stopped wasting funds on israel's defense. they're all adults they can handle themselves. If they can't maybe they should give the land back to the palestinians and go home.

it's not that extreme Naughty.

it's simple

1) declare your borders like every other country.
2) abide by international law.
3) stop pretending to be a democracy - or start being one.
4) tear down that ludicrous wall and let people go and come (return).
5) take a pill and get over yourself - the existential threat is dumb.
6) if you find yourself in trouble with your neighbors after doing right, then maybe insist the US do your fighting.

there...now everybody get along.:rolleyes:

One State - if ya can't do that, revisit #3.
 
[video=youtube;JIXdFjuAJ-w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIXdFjuAJ-w[/video]
 
it's not that extreme Naughty.

it's simple

1) declare your borders like every other country.
2) abide by international law.
3) stop pretending to be a democracy - or start being one.
4) tear down that ludicrous wall and let people go and come (return).
5) take a pill and get over yourself - the existential threat is dumb.
6) if you find yourself in trouble with your neighbors after doing right, then maybe insist the US do your fighting.

there...now everybody get along.:rolleyes:

One State - if ya can't do that, revisit #3.
What's wrong with #4? How does any of the rest negate claims to a democracy? Democracy is a form of governance, not an abidance of international law or meeting Canadian expectations. I don't like a lot of things Israel does, but the list is kind of useless ya know.
 
hmmm.....well, that very well might be "the mark of the beast" in your mind.
the only problem with that, is Islam isn't in Revelation.

antichrist? absolutely.

according to this; who is not antichrist?:

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


you just be feedin' one antichrist beast while freaking out about the other.
Christianity 101.
 
1) declare your borders like every other country.
2) abide by international law.
3) stop pretending to be a democracy - or start being one.
4) tear down that ludicrous wall and let people go and come (return).
5) take a pill and get over yourself - the existential threat is dumb.
6) if you find yourself in trouble with your neighbors after doing right, then maybe insist the US do your fighting.

there...now everybody get along.

One State - if ya can't do that, revisit #3.


What's wrong with #4?

?

4) tear down that ludicrous wall and let people go and come (return).

nothing wrong with #4.
it's a start.

How does any of the rest negate claims to a democracy?

um...they don't.
the claim to be a democracy while not being one is what negates the claim.
# 3 is a separate point.

Democracy is a form of governance, not an abidance of international law or meeting Canadian expectations.

right. democracy is a form of governance.
that's what i said.
don't claim to be one if you're not.

2) abide by international law

....is a separate point.
the argument can be, well - if the islamic nations surrounding Israel don't abide by int'l law, why should/how can Israel?
so the point comes back to - if you're not abiding by int'l law, why is America your police/veto force?

Canadian standards? :)
huh?

I don't like a lot of things Israel does, but the list is kind of useless ya know.

what things don't you like?
does you not liking some things play any role in those things not being enabled?

why is the list useless?

1) declare your borders like every other country.
2) abide by international law.
3) stop pretending to be a democracy - or start being one.
4) tear down that ludicrous wall and let people go and come (return).
5) take a pill and get over yourself - the existential threat is dumb.
6) if you find yourself in trouble with your neighbors after doing right, then maybe insist the US do your fighting.

? seems reasonable.
#5 is my personal advice, h'obviously.:rolleyes:
 
Look at how laughable and evil the U.N. is. This goes to show how wrong the antsemite/anti-Israel gang is by throwing themselves in league with this satanic organization.


[video]http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/15/u-n-passes-nine-anti-israel-resolutions-in-one-day-zero-for-the-rest-of-the-world/[/video]
 
Look at how laughable and evil the U.N. is. This goes to show how wrong the antsemite/anti-Israel gang is by throwing themselves in league with this satanic organization.


[video]http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/15/u-n-passes-nine-anti-israel-resolutions-in-one-day-zero-for-the-rest-of-the-world/[/video]

They managed to get nine through ? The US usually VETOES most of them, maybe the dam has burst and the US is starting to let them flow through.

The UN resolution is mainly around Israel taking advantage of Syria crisis to start exploring for oil in the Golan heights. The Syrian people now have to contend with the Israelis stealing oil from them as well.


Israel has secretly decided to renew exploratory drilling permits in the Golan Heights. In the 90's, Israel decided to avoid such explorations for political reasons. Such a step could provoke a anegative Syrian response and influence future negotiations with Syria, writes Amir Ben David, especially if oil fields are found in the difficult-to-survey area.
بقلم Yedioth Ahronoth (Israel)نشر مايو 16, 2012


Read more: Israel Quietly Searching For Oil in Golan Heights - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East


Where is the evil in this ?
 
Last edited:
As long as the same goes for Europe.

...Hmmm. The French funded and helped to defend America from the British. Perhaps they should not have assisted? Maybe we'd be drinking tea right now instead of Starbucks...I hate Starbuck's coffee by the way.
 
"Israel loses trust in Obama?" Actually, I wasn't aware that they ever did trust Obama. If we can't...why should they?
 
They managed to get nine through ? The US usually VETOES most of them, maybe the dam has burst and the US is starting to let them flow through.

The UN resolution is mainly around Israel taking advantage of Syria crisis to start exploring for oil in the Golan heights. The Syrian people now have to contend with the Israelis stealing oil from them as well.


Israel has secretly decided to renew exploratory drilling permits in the Golan Heights. In the 90's, Israel decided to avoid such explorations for political reasons. Such a step could provoke a anegative Syrian response and influence future negotiations with Syria, writes Amir Ben David, especially if oil fields are found in the difficult-to-survey area.
بقلم Yedioth Ahronoth (Israel)نشر مايو 16, 2012


Read more: Israel Quietly Searching For Oil in Golan Heights - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East


Where is the evil in this ?
How dare those JEWS defend themselves against the wonderful Islamic States!!! They should give up the stategic Golan and trust that muslims will continue to be good neighbors, just like they always have been!


The antisemite/Israel gang looks sillier and sillier all the time!!

[video]http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.3820041/[/video]
 
How dare those JEWS defend themselves against the wonderful Islamic States!!! They should give up the stategic Golan and trust that muslims will continue to be good neighbors, just like they always have been!


The antisemite/Israel gang looks sillier and sillier all the time!!

[video]http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.3820041/[/video]

[video=youtube;uW3a1bw5XlE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE[/video]

i love this woman.
just straight-up.
i respect that. a lot.
 
How dare those JEWS defend themselves against the wonderful Islamic States!!! They should give up the stategic Golan and trust that muslims will continue to be good neighbors, just like they always have been!


The antisemite/Israel gang looks sillier and sillier all the time!!

[video]http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.3820041/[/video]

I always know when I person has nothing to add to a debate when they will bring out the anti Semitic tag.

The Israelis are occupying the Golan heights. Now they are taking the resources from this land. An open minded Christian such as yourself should understand that this is stealing.
 
Last edited:
I always know when I person has nothing to add to a debate when they will bring out the anti Semitic tag.

The Israelis are occupying the Golan heights. Now they are taking the resources from this land. An open minded Christian such as yourself should understand that this is stealing.

I just realised PennEd, you were the one that applauded the murderer of Arafat. So I am guessing if you are happy about murder, stealing is no big deal.