Give us these kind of men

[PeterJens]

Joel made me think again.

How does the cross heal? As a symbol of sin forgiven, as a statement of eternal love,
as the highest ethic in all creation. Seeing it is the start of eternal life, the forgiveness
of sins. It speaks straight to the heart of security in Christ, certainty you are home.

If this was true for anyone, would they openly deny this reality, or rather just share it
as the only way to the Father. There is no other reality God has spoken.

On this forum there will be people who agree with Joel, I prefer to see Jesus and heaven
where the cry is "Worthy is the Lamb"

God. made man yet denied, ridiculed, called a liar, evil because people love darkness more
than light.

 

[Angela53510]

How many people needed to slap you in the face and point out the false teachings of Joel? I confidently say NONE.

But when it comes to likes of Lawson using Joel to cover his own very deceptive false teachings.......it takes another believer to show them.

Lawson is a loadofskubala salvation teacher. He teaches our discipleship and our working for the Lord as our salvation and not our trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation.

And what a weasel to hide behind Joel and Joel's obvious short comings.

Lawson is way more dangerous and would probably eat his own young to hide his false teachings.

I had never heard of Lawson before I read this OP and listens to the video,

I did not hear him say say anything false or untrue in the video. Notmyown vouches for him, I trust her sound doctrine! As for Osteen, who doesn't know of his smiley faced mind control, in which he fleeces the flock, doesn't know basic biblical facts, and now refuses to give a clear account of the gospel on national tv?

I'll take Lawson any day over Osteen!

 

[preacher4truth]

I had never heard of Lawson before I read this OP and listens to the video,

I did not hear him say say anything false or untrue in the video. Notmyown vouches for him, I trust her sound doctrine! As for Osteen, who doesn't know of his smiley faced mind control, in which he fleeces the flock, doesn't know basic biblical facts, and now refuses to give a clear account of the gospel on national tv?

I'll take Lawson any day over Osteen!

wsblind has offered some unfounded lies about Steven Lawson and that is a shameful fact. But then defends the heretc Osteen. Eternity will have something​ to say about this action.

Now, as to Lawson? He preaches the Gospel and is solid so he must be attacked by nominal professing believers with little biblical acumen or fortitude.

 

[Grace777x70]

One of the things we should take into consideration is that in the texts that Paul is talking to those in established leadership within the local church - it is for them to rebuke those that are contrary to the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the leadership that knows these people personally and deals with them in their own setting - these are the ones that have the right to correct them.

Paul wrote these things to Timothy who was in spiritual authority in the local assembly. This principle remains for the other writers as well.

We in our flesh think anyone of us can publicly attack another believer that we think has a different view then we do because of the scriptures about those in authority dealing with people within their own assembly.

This is not for every Tom, Dick and Sally that have ordained themselves as a self-proclaimed heretic hunter because they view a subject differently then some other people. This then qualifies them in their own minds to openly rebuke those that they differ with even though they do not know the people personally, have no authority in the local church where these people are and have not gone to talk with them in order to get things straight from the horse's mouth.

Not being in a spiritual leadership position in that local assembly and then trying to rebuke those that we do not know personally could be called as the scripture says just "busybodies, a gossiper and a slanderer" - which are all works of the flesh.

Something to consider when we are putting ourselves in a lordship position over those that are not in our authority and then condemning others that may view some things differently or may have a different calling - just as encouraging others to trust in the Lord.

Romans 12:4-8 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

[SUP]6 [/SUP] Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching;

[SUP]8 [/SUP] or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

What is the process for those caught in something that we think is wrong? Paul tells us in Gal.6:1 - notice the criteria for correcting others - you who are spiritual - go restore such a one in the spirit of meekness. Is this being done? The operative word here for all of us is : "You who are spiritual". This needs to be the first qualification.

Galatians 6:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.

Some things to consider when we are biting and devouring each other.

Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

 

[Ariel82]

Ariel, I have known you to be a fairly Biblicaly sound person in the past. But now, you seem to have jumped on a certain bandwagon around here. You need to think before you post!

1. On what basis will Jesus judge Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Pagans, atheists.....?

On the basis of whether they acknowledge him before men (people) as Lord and Saviour, especially when being interviewed on international TV as a preacher of the gospel! Where was the gospel? Where was the gospel for these Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Pagans, atheists? This was a great and mighty preacher, who could not stand firm on what the Bible says about the lost?

The gospel was nowhere! So all those unbelievers watching him on the Larry King Show, or on a Youtube videos are only going to hear the of Osteen's failure to effectively present the gospel. Not judge unbelievers? How about not give them a chance, maybe the only chance they will ever have, to hear the gospel?

AGAIN!

"So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, 33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven." Matt 10:32-34

2. God takes joy in our happiness, because we are happy with him. Because we are obeying him. Because we are growing closer to God, and closer to the image of Christ! Because we have love for the brethren, etc. Not because we have more money, and we can network with rich people in Osteen's church. Church is for fellowship, but it is also for corporate worship. And not worship of Joel and his false gospel of health and wealth, but worship of the living God - Jesus Christ, Lord and Saviour!

I just can't believe how the Osteens are unable to acknowledge the gospel, and instead make it "all about me!" Like a sick, insidious personality disorder as ministry! For a lost and dying generation!

Yes, and then, in a positive change in your post, you acknowledge that these prosperity teachers like Osteen and Prince present half truths! Those are the lies of the devil, to draw us away from God. I'm not saying we all get it perfect. But this intentional assault of the gospel by these thieves is what I stand against! You can hide your head in the sand, and try to keep everyone happy on both sides of the debate as to whether false teachers need to be rebuked, but in the end, you will just end up making enemies on both sides!

You know it gets annoying that just because I refuse to falsely accuse someone, I get told I am trying to appease "both sides of the debate".

What I am trying to do is clearly separate truth from lies.

The TRUTH is the gospel was clearly preached in the Larry King show....wait for it....

By the lady who called in and asked Joel Osteen.

He said he agreed that Jesus was the only way.

So if you took him at his word, then you can't make that accusation.

I don't like him or his wife because they are teachers of the false prosperity gospel, not because of the video posted from the OP that claims he says there are other ways to heaven besides Jesus, because the "proof" isn't there.

My point is check your facts and don't make accusations that don't stick when cross examined.

If you try someone in criminal court, they are assumed innocent until proven guilty.

I find it was that many while witch hunting will assume the opposite.., they are guilty until proven one of the flock.

Personally I see people could be either one...they could be immature Christians (which most folks are, even the Apostles took a while to learn maturity and they physically walked with Jesus. Paul took 3 years of study before preaching in addition to his Pharisee training) or they might be wolves fleecing the sheep.

As I said in my other post, I took the OP AT face value and render my judgement based on the evidence presented in that video.

I found the evidence lacking and stated as much.

Instead of presenting more evidence, I get insults and I am told I am a liar, slander, etc.

Eventually more evidence is presented with a new accusation...Joel not only supports other religions, or doesn't support the gospel on national television (this accusation has been shown to be kind of shaky and based on assumptions, since he nominally agreed with the lady who called in and she presented the gospel clearly)

The second accusation is that he is a false prosperity teacher.

This one has more grounds. I went to Joel Osteen website yesterday and found the quote that shows clearly that Osteen does teach false prosperity doctrine. Thus could be labeled as a false teacher.

Yeah folks can judge me however they want, but I refuse to accept and repeat false accusations and assumptions, in an attempt to appease anyone.

You can chose to repeat misconceptions and lies concerning what happened on the Larry King show and call it discernment, but I prefer to do my own research before I judge another person as a false teacher.

 

[Ariel82]

One of the things we should take into consideration is that in the texts that Paul is talking to those in established leadership within the local church - it is for them to rebuke those that are contrary to the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the leadership that knows these people personally and deals with them in their own setting - these are the ones that have the right to correct them.

Paul wrote these things to Timothy who was in spiritual authority in the local assembly. This principle remains for the other writers as well.

We in our flesh think anyone of us can publicly attack another believer that we think has a different view then we do because of the scriptures about those in authority dealing with people within their own assembly.

This is not for every Tom, Dick and Sally that have ordained themselves as a self-proclaimed heretic hunter because they view a subject differently then some other people. This then qualifies them in their own minds to openly rebuke those that they differ with even though they do not know the people personally, have no authority in the local church where these people are and have not gone to talk with them in order to get things straight from the horse's mouth.

Not being in a spiritual leadership position in that local assembly and then trying to rebuke those that we do not know personally could be called as the scripture says just "busybodies, a gossiper and a slanderer" - which are all works of the flesh.

Something to consider when we are putting ourselves in a lordship position over those that are not in our authority and then condemning others that may view some things differently or may have a different calling - just as encouraging others to trust in the Lord.

Romans 12:4-8 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

[SUP]6 [/SUP] Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;

[SUP]7 [/SUP] if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching;

[SUP]8 [/SUP] or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

What is the process for those caught in something that we think is wrong? Paul tells us in Gal.6:1 - notice the criteria for correcting others - you who are spiritual - go restore such a one in the spirit of meekness. Is this being done? The operative word here for all of us is : "You who are spiritual". This needs to be the first qualification.

Galatians 6:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.

Some things to consider when we are biting and devouring each other.

Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

If the preacher has a national or international church, then everyone in the nation or the world should examine his teachings and decide if they are biblically sound.

Paul praised the people of Berea for searching out scriptures to see if what he preaches was truth or lies.

I state now. What this forum has judge as a weak attempt at "appeasing" people and as Angela earns me will "just make enemies on both sides".

Well, I am fine with both sides viewing me as their enemy, but do not mistake my words as a weak attempt at appeasement.

You may find me weak and you would find grounds for that accusations, because I am weak but God empowers me to stand strong.

He tells us to stand for the truth, whether people listen or throw slanderous accusations at you by calling you a liar for simply stating what you observe and being insulted by the term "witch hunt"

Mostly because folks don't know about modern day witches or the need to identify them.

Witches believe they can bend the supernatural to do their will., they have demons they call familiars who carry out their curses. Demons torment people of their village with bad fortune until the people acknowledge the power and authority of their master. The local witch doctor then calls his local demons and "cures" the person. Some satanic cults still practice child sacrifices (look up Kali cult worshippers in India) and child rape to demonize kids and have their own fortunetellers, etc. We have demonic lies that encourage rape. For example, in South Africa we have people who rape virgins because they believe that the girls purity will cure them of HIV.

So yeah discernment is need in the church. Sometimes witch hunters really do identify a witch that needs to be marked and exposed.

However the mob mentality and blind acceptance of accusations without examining the evidence and asking question is what lead to the Spanish Inquistion and death of many innocent people.

It's a sad day when Jesus became a mascot for the ruling classes to oppress the people and used to crucify others.


Jesus teaches us to have discernment, but when does Jesus teach us to burn witches?

 

[Ariel82]

Jesus told us to love our enemies, even those we don't like.

God's love is not soft. It is not appeasing.

It is seeing that the Osteens need prayer and the true gospel preached to them.

It is seeing that they are enemies to the gospel, but still standing in hope that God will touch their lives and show them their false teachings for the harm they truly cause.

So yeah.

I don't like witch hunting, but that doesn't mean God hasn't shown me the need for discernment, nor does it mean I will join in witch burning and crucify with my words those if I do find that they are enemies to the true gospel.

If that make me enemies from both sides of the debate, so be it.

The only side I seek to stand beside is God and those who seek His will with open hearts, lead by His Holy Spirit.

 

[MadebyHim]

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he said unto them, What manner of man was he which came up to meet you, and told you these words?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they answered him, He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins. And he said, It is Elijah the Tishbite.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then the king sent unto him a captain of fifty with his fifty. And he went up to him: and, behold, he sat on the top of an hill. And he spake unto him, Thou man of God, the king hath said, Come down.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he sent again a captain of the third fifty with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the angel of the Lord said unto Elijah, Go down with him: be not afraid of him. And he arose, and went down with him unto the king. 2 Kings 1:7-15


[SUP]8 [/SUP]And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the Lord God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over. 2Kings 2:8-14


These are the kind of men we could use in world today.

 

[Grace777x70]

If the preacher has a national or international church, then everyone in the nation or the world should examine his teachings and decide if they are biblically sound.

Paul praised the people of Berea for searching out scriptures to see if what he preaches was truth or lies.

?

I can understand your human reasoning here.

Unfortunately this is the very same principle that some people will use to publicly insult you and call you names on CC here Ariel because of some of your own views of scripture that may differ from theirs.

We have witnessed others scathing you for your own beliefs about some subjects. This is a public forum so some think this gives them the right to bite and devour on you, insult you, de-mean you personally because you have a different view of some subjects in the scriptures then what others do.

IMO and everyone is entitled to their own in this area - There is a difference between dealing with those that we believe are in error "within our own assemblies" as Paul talks about - they do this because they are in a leadership position - put there by the Holy Spirit.

They deal with these people on a personal level within their own spiritual authority and the qualification is "You who are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness". Gal. 6:1

By all means we all should be a Berean and search the scriptures to see if what is being said bears witness with our spirit. Preach Christ as He is the light. Darkness melts away like mist on a foggy morning when the light hits it.

One of the truths that the Lord has been showing me lately is this: "Trying to talk someone else into believing what the Lord has shown us has nothing to do with authenticating what He has put in our heart."

We are to speak what we believe to be true and leave it all in the hands of the Holy Spirit as He is the one that reveals Christ and all that He is and has done for all of us.

Have a great day!

 

[Ariel82]

Larry King asked him if Jews and Muslims could be saved w/o Christ. I am paraphrasing that, but that's the gist of what he asked. He said he did not know. Srsly? A pastor of a church does not know John 14:6?

Sorry you misunderstood me.

Has anyone read or listen enough to his teachings to show he ever truly preached the gospel?

I know he agreed with the lady on the phone. I just wanted to know if anyone had a sermon he preached the gospel clearly?

The question "did he ever have the ball?" was asked to say "can anyone speak up in his defense and show the ever preached the gospel"?

Not to imply he did or didn't. Just to gather all the facts.

Personally I have better writers to read but would be interested if anyone took the time to shift through his sermons and find anything where he clearly "has the ball"

 

[Ariel82]

I don't recall calling u a name.....

Nah, not you but it's not hard to find post with my name and liar attached to it.

It gets old.

I just come back to talk to you and now Angela and in the off chance at an apology (but i don't hold my breath on the last one.)

 

[Ariel82]

Read this on Dcon's post, & decided to respond.

Notice what I see.....



This is what I see several doing:

"He's okay as long as he don't preach a works-based gospel."

"We're not gonna say anything bad about him unless he preaches a works-based gospel"

Don't think so? Check every thread in the BDF & you'll find out otherwise.

Every single person who says I'm not gonna judge him like that has actually judged those who supposedly preach a works based gospel.

All inclusive? Oh yeah..... except for one.

You do realize we were talking about the guy in the video and not Joel Osteen, right?

The prosperity gospel is a perverted gospel that does teach works salvation....you give them money so God can bless you...and other magic spells/formula they claim is Biblicial because they falsely represent God and His promises..

 

[Grace777x70]

An interesting verse in Acts 18 describing how "spiritual, loving brethren" took some one aside privately to discuss his "biblically unsound doctrine". Apollos and Priscilla and Aquila.

Acts 18:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately

If this was todays version of things. They would put up a website de-meaning and insulting him. They would in some extreme cases put devil horns on his head and show his face in a sheep's skin.

They would be biting and devouring him because of his "biblically unsound doctrine". They would then show videos of his preaching in the synagogue and then publically castigate him in every media outlet they could in the name of being biblically sound in their own minds and views.

Selah....

 

[Ariel82]

I can understand your human reasoning here.

Unfortunately this is the very same principle that some people will use to publicly insult you and call you names on CC here Ariel because of some of your own views of scripture that may differ from theirs.

We have witnessed others scathing you for your own beliefs about some subjects. This is a public forum so some think this gives them the right to bite and devour on you, insult you, de-mean you personally because you have a different view of some subjects in the scriptures then what others do.

IMO and everyone is entitled to their own in this area - There is a difference between dealing with those that we believe are in error "within our own assemblies" as Paul talks about - they do this because they are in a leadership position - put there by the Holy Spirit.

They deal with these people on a personal level within their own spiritual authority and the qualification is "You who are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness". Gal. 6:1

By all means we all should be a Berean and search the scriptures to see if what is being said bears witness with our spirit. Preach Christ as He is the light. Darkness melts away like mist on a foggy morning when the light hits it.

One of the truths that the Lord has been showing me lately is this: "Trying to talk someone else into believing what the Lord has shown us has nothing to do with authenticating what He has put in our heart."

We are to speak what we believe to be true and leave it all in the hands of the Holy Spirit as He is the one that reveals Christ and all that He is and has done for all of us.

Have a great day!

They are welcome to try and bite and devour me. I heard human flesh is kind of salty and causes the human version of Mad cow disease with holey brains and all...,

(yeah that is my morbid version of a joke, hospital staff humor)

Seriously though, I disagree.

Are we all part of the body of Christ universal, or are we just localized area churches?

To a more personal level, should pastors allow small group bible studies to use Joel Osteen books?

In that context, I believe it is the the local church responsibility to judge if someone is teaching biblically sound doctrine or not and be able to present why they would reject or accept their books and teachings in their local church.

Not just the pastor but all mature Christians, because there are too many false doctrines out there. I know I can read one book by an author and find nothing off the wall, but dig deeper and learn they have twisted the meaning of scripture.

There is a cult that calls itself "the church of Jesus Christ" but believes that Jesus came back and then died and still they worship his wife as the embodiment of the Holy Spirit. I only learned of it because a loved one got sucked into its lies and I attended one of their brainwashing sessions, it was bad.

 

[Ariel82]

An interesting verse in Acts 18 describing how "spiritual, loving brethren" took some one aside privately to discuss his "biblically unsound doctrine". Apollos and Priscilla and Aquila.

Acts 18:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

Selah....

Again he was preaching sound doctrine as he knew it. He was a disciple of John the Baptist.

Yeah screams of "crucify them" doesn't resound true to Christ message.

 

[Grace777x70]

There is a cult that calls itself "the church of Jesus Christ" but believes that Jesus came back and then died and still they worship his wife as the embodiment of the Holy Spirit. I only learned of it because a loved one got sucked into its lies and I attended one of their brainwashing sessions, it was bad.

Now that one is a new one for me. Jesus came back and then died again and now they worship his wife? ( The pastor's wife or the so-called church ) That is easy to refute with scriptures.

 

[Ariel82]

Now that one is a new one for me. Jesus came back and then died again and now they worship his wife? ( The pastor's wife or the so-called church ) That is easy to refute with scriptures.

Yeah they get aggressive and shut out anything that goes against their programming.,i freaked out a little. He kept going because he like the folks, but I told him they weren't close to being scriptural and would pray for him. Maybe he could lead his friend out of the cult.

I don't think he still attends, but I know there are local witch covens all over America and other cults.

It's not hard to find false doctrines.

I find focusing on what is true and from God more profitable,because if people know the truth then they can spot anything that is a cheap imitation or just flat out lies with the name Jesus stuck to it.

 

[PeterJens]

Are they a sound teacher?

There is always a sense of investment when listening to anybody. An element of trust is
involved and adjusting ones thinking to be in alignment with theirs.

It seems reasonable therefore to summarise their background and general positions, which
may exclude them or be of interest. Why thousands flock to his church every sunday means
he has real appeal. For me the prosperity angle is enough to close the door.

Why say more? Some love the prosperity gospel so love Joel.
It is obvious who this crowd are from their "do not touch the anointed ones"
You notice they would not use these words about MacArthur.

This is what amuses me about the hypocracy shown.
You can say nothing bad about our show boat leaders, but yours are the spawn of
the enemy.

 

[Ariel82]

Oh no, another mysterious "they" post.....,(they have long since lost the "amuse" factor for me. Now I just find them annoying. Referring to the post that vague accuses people and slaps a label on "then").

In case you haven't noticed PeterJens folks are divided on if MacArthur is a false teacher or not.

So who is your "they"?

Does anyone actually refute that Joel Osteen teaches a false prosperity gospel?

 

[Ariel82]

when you speak of hyprocrisy change "them" to "us" and you may see some change.

God has called me to task for the times I have said I believe something but don't follow through and actually live out what I claim to believe.

So I can stand up and say, I was a hyprocrite and former Pharisee. I pray that God will convict me of my sins and show me a better way through His Holy Spirit.

How many others can say the same?