Globe or Snowglobe

[posthuman]

Hello Trofimus:

No they DON"T fall off the edge of the earth, I think Columbus thought so in 1492.

Oh is that why he sailed west to try to reach the East by sea rather than by land, knowing the Earth is round but mistaking the size of it and of Europe, and the distance of Japan and the southeast islands from Asia and India?

Dude, these are just more ludicrous falsehoods, and more diversionary switching subjects. It's transparent.

Did you watch the sun rise this morning? Or its sinking tonight? How easy it would be for you to see if you would only look!

Set your alarm early and watch the light rise tomorrow. Be a good Berean - search it out.

 

[Bladerunner]

Oh is that why he sailed west to try to reach the East by sea rather than by land, knowing the Earth is round but mistaking the size of it and of Europe, and the distance of Japan and the southeast islands from Asia and India?

Dude, these are just more ludicrous falsehoods, and more diversionary switching subjects. It's transparent.

Did you watch the sun rise this morning? Or its sinking tonight? How easy it would be for you to see if you would only look!

Set your alarm early and watch the light rise tomorrow. Be a good Berean - search it out.

Ah youth is wasted on the youth. By that I mean, you do not remember the history the way they were written back then. They kinda of told the truth. Now the liberals rewrite the books to include things like same sex marriage, etc.

It was understood back then that if you sailed to far, one would fall of the earth. Of course they could not but that is what they thought. Google it,,,I think it is in there somewhere if YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW.

 

[Zmouth]

Eratosthenes knew the Earth is a sphere and calculated it's circumference well over 2000 years ago.

You're presenting lies boldly now, without anything at all to back them up.

So you do know how Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the earth, by using the distance of 500 miles that was measure by a man walking. So if you had to walk 500 miles by measuring your steps then how many days would it take you to walk 500 miles?

So in what direction did he travel since the compass was invented in China and wasn't used as a navigational device until after the time of Erathosthenes?

Oh is that why he sailed west to try to reach the East by sea rather than by land, knowing the Earth is round but mistaking the size of it and of Europe, and the distance of Japan and the southeast islands from Asia and India?

He might have sailed W since it would have been very difficult to sail E from La Fontanilla Port near Huelva, Spain.

 

[Zmouth]

Have you looked at the edge (your horizon) . No, not a picture especially from NASA. Get on a high place and look out over the land,,,there is no curvature. Go to water, there is no curvature.


Now you might say you cannot see it (the curvature) but where ever you stand on a Globe/Sphere, the land falls away from you at 8" per mile (25,000 mile circumference at equator). At 5 miles that is 40" that you cannot see.

You can see Chicago city from 40 miles away. Yes you should be able to see the city but only the top part. WHy,,because you will have a 28" foot drop. so all the streets, cars, people you would not be able to see. On a plane, because a 6' person would be almost impossible to see anywhere from 40 miles away yet, with telescope or a high powered spotting scope you can still see the people. There is no curvature.

Experiment with this yourself and just keep an open mind.

Refraction of light does create a bow since a bow does not contain an angle.



If I sail from the east coast of the US to Europe
where I then travel by land according the same azimuth to China
where I run into water and then sail along the same azmuih
til I reach land which is the west Coast of the US
If you E from the west coast of the US, then if you think you will end up on the E coast of the US.
you are going round in circles if you say the earth is flat..

 

[Zmouth]

So do think the rainbow is curved because of light refraction or because of the bow in the atmosphere?

 

[Bladerunner]

So do think the rainbow is curved because of light refraction or because of the bow in the atmosphere? View attachment 160163

Thanks Zmouth:

According to the Bible Genesis 9:13-14 " 13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:"


We do know that it is caused by light refraction. How God placed it in the clouds (straight or curved), I do not know but rather He did what he said He would do!

 

[Zmouth]

We know he (SATAN) fooled Eve.

The name Eve wasn't given until the twentieth verse in the third chapter of Genesis.

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.Gen 3:20

Was the male born of his wife?

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Gen 5:1-2
5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

In the day God made him? The LORD is who?
15 "... is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:15

And what was made by the LORD?


16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:6-17

Genesis 2:23-24

 

[Zmouth]

Thanks Zmouth:

According to the Bible Genesis 9:13-14 " 13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:"


We do know that it is caused by light refraction. How God placed it in the clouds (straight or curved), I do not know but rather He did what he said He would do!

It says cloud.

Are you the LORD? so what would give us the impression that when we look upon it?

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Job 38:4-9





The cloud is the firmament, or atmosphere which is curved because the earth is a sphere.

 

[Bladerunner]

Refraction of light does create a bow since a bow does not contain an angle.

View attachment 160162

If I sail from the east coast of the US to Europe
where I then travel by land according the same azimuth to China
where I run into water and then sail along the same azmuih
til I reach land which is the west Coast of the US
If you E from the west coast of the US, then if you think you will end up on the E coast of the US.
you are going round in circles if you say the earth is flat..

On a Flatt Earth, you can draw a diameter line across the circle. This represents your 180 degrees. Now every 15 degrees from the outside draw a line from the center. 360 degrees all the way around. Now draw your latitude lines by using the exact figures we use today on any map. Now you can get anywhere! you will travel the same way you do on a globe without going down hill all the time. lol.

Below is a url that conveys these lines on a flat earth and has an article of how to circumnavigate on a flat earth.

flat-earth-around-antarticia

Hope this helps.

 

[Bladerunner]

It says cloud.

Are you the LORD? so what would give us the impression that when we look upon it?

Ok it says cloud..and your saying the Cloud is the firmament..... Guess who is playing GOD!

Ah not much of a GOD are you---forgot these verses huh!

Matthew 26:64 - Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Matthew 24:30 - And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Nahum 1:3 - The LORD [is] slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds [are] the dust of his feet.


shall we play right or just stop talking? your choice

 

[Bladerunner]

The name Eve wasn't given until the twentieth verse in the third chapter of Genesis.

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.Gen 3:20

Was the male born of his wife?

don't understand what you are talking about.

 

[Zmouth]

On a Flatt Earth, you can draw a diameter line across the circle. This represents your 180 degrees. Now every 15 degrees from the outside draw a line from the center. 360 degrees all the way around. Now draw your latitude lines by using the exact figures we use today on any map. Now you can get anywhere! you will travel the same way you do on a globe without going down hill all the time. lol.

Below is a url that conveys these lines on a flat earth and has an article of how to circumnavigate on a flat earth.

flat-earth-around-antarticia

Hope this helps.

For one the flat earth model is based upon a semi-circle and not a square which disqualifies the flat earth hypothesis from the beginning.

Second you can't draw a straight line across a spherical object and remain proportionally equal if other percentages had a straight line as well since the middle would gradually curve towards the middle and then back up to the center of the opposite site.

 

[Zmouth]

don't understand what you are talking about.

You said that "Satan" deceived Eve, how could Satan have deceived a female named Eve if the male and female were one flesh named Adam? {See Genesis 5:2}

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Matthew 19


In addition, the serpent was a beast formed from the dry land as written Genesis 1:24
24 And God said,Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. Genesis 3:1

 

[Karraster]

Thank you. i want to challenge everyone again. How far and to to what ends will Satan go to remove Christianity from this earth? Think outside the bubble here folks. We know he (SATAN) fooled Eve. We know what he will do during the tribulations. We know there will be a great deception that will happen the end times in order to convert everyone to a one world religion. World wide we are now being told and our kids are being brainwashed that Islam is a peaceful religion. keep in mind that there were no globes in the classroom until the 1950's. Your right, evolution could not work with a flat earth. A Dome over us would confirm a God and creation. Think people,,,look around you, experiment.

Just because I know about the Flat Earth, it has not changed anything I do. I don't tell my grandkids (little ones) because if they slip at school, it would be embarrassing or worse for them. Outside this forum, I have not shared my beliefs to anyone else other than my wife. Being Ostracized online here in the Chat Room is one thing but out here where it will hurt my income don't think so. When someone talks about someplace on the globe, or ask how fast are we spinning through space and if I think there are little green men out there, I tell them what they want to hear.

REm my friends, we kill our babies by the millions each year and that started in 1964. Our latest lie is same-sex marriage is OK with God.

What if satan has convinced the majority that he doesn't even exist? Then it would be easy to imagine the Living Word is open to one's own interpretation, and let our conscience be our guide. Hmm, a quick glace at society should tell us how that's working out.

It seems to me that every truth I find is definately changing me, and changing my actions as well. I do understand what you are saying tho about speaking out and how that can affect your status/income. How well we (Mr. and me) do know that. We have lost income, potential clients, and recently conversations with my daughter is less frequent because I told her some of the findings from researching what's in mandatory vaccinations for children. It will be ok, I know she's feeling fearful and don't know what to do about it, so initially she wished that I'd simply not told her. That will pass. If I could protect her from every hurt I would, in reality the best way to do that is to give her truth.

What is definately not productive, to go round and round with someone. We are instructed to give the warning, and that I try to do, plant the seed. Sometimes it's~ the least said the better. It's up to the Almighty to open eyes and ears. But yeah, in work situations there's no one size fits all. In our situation, we probably have more freedom to speak our minds, compared to most.

Have you heard of a paper called, “The Flatness of U.S. States,”? in Geographical Review, a peer-reviewed journal published by the American Geographical Society.

 

[posthuman]

For one the flat earth model is based upon a semi-circle and not a square which disqualifies the flat earth hypothesis from the beginning.

Second you can't draw a straight line across a spherical object and remain proportionally equal if other percentages had a straight line as well since the middle would gradually curve towards the middle and then back up to the center of the opposite site.

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yes, keep going east or west on this model and you end up falling off the world at the south pole, no matter where you start.

 

[posthuman]

Ah youth is wasted on the youth. By that I mean, you do not remember the history the way they were written back then. They kinda of told the truth. Now the liberals rewrite the books to include things like same sex marriage, etc.

It was understood back then that if you sailed to far, one would fall of the earth. Of course they could not but that is what they thought. Google it,,,I think it is in there somewhere if YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW.

Columbus did not set sail having in mind the purpose of falling off the edge of the earth.

who is trying to re-write history, did you say . . ?

please just stop and think what kind of fruit you're presenting for a moment..
lies. deceptions. ignoring things that are plain in front of your face, that God created and which the scripture says His eternal qualities are known.

i hope you are up early to watch the sunrise today, so you can see with your own eyes whether it appears as a dot already some 15 degrees above your horizon, gradually increasing in sharpness and size, and moving from the north to the south, or if it actually rises up out out the east one size, its rays reddened and magnified by passing through much atmosphere at an oblique angle, so that it appears to grow a little smaller and much yellower as it raises up into the sky to that 15 degree mark that the logic of flat earth says it should have never passed below from your location.

go, see the light. tell us what it is you see

 

[posthuman]

What is definately not productive, to go round and round with someone. We are instructed to give the warning, and that I try to do, plant the seed. Sometimes it's~ the least said the better. It's up to the Almighty to open eyes and ears. But yeah, in work situations there's no one size fits all. In our situation, we probably have more freedom to speak our minds, compared to most.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear — hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
(Jude 1:22-23)
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this seems to me to be a 'one-size doesn't fit all' approach, like you say -- i have this hope that Bladerunner isn't so far gone intellectually to be completely unreachable, and as the sun rises and sets every day, until one day it 'dawns' on a person that it is there for a purpose -- i thought maybe by repeatedly presenting him with the truth, that light might pierce the dark cloud in his imagination at some point.

or maybe he's nothing but a troll?

but a troll has this purpose: he desires attention. if i give him the gift he desires, maybe will he cherish it, and his heart soften?
after all, where would Bladerunner be if clearer heads ignored him?
alone, deceived, getting even more deceived.

"globe or disc" isn't the gospel, not even close. but the gospel is the truth, and the truth hates all lies. here's a person spreading lies, believing them, and what better way is there to show him love but patiently rebuking the lie and reasoning toward the truth?

post is not gentle and tactful as he should be. maybe you are right, and post should just leave these people be, having already broken the model repeatedly with a single argument he cannot refute, but simply refuses to acknowledge. that's a hardened heart, then, isn't it? and a soft answer breaks bones, but post is hardly capable of that *sigh*

 

[Karraster]

Post, I really don't know what you're on about. It's not possible to come here as infrequently as I do and be up on all the drama going on. My post had nothing to do with you, and if I'm misunderstanding I appoligize for my mistake..but it seems to me you think I'm referring to you? I'm not. peace.

 

[posthuman]

Post, I really don't know what you're on about. It's not possible to come here as infrequently as I do and be up on all the drama going on. My post had nothing to do with you, and if I'm misunderstanding I appoligize for my mistake..but it seems to me you think I'm referring to you? I'm not. peace.

Your post is convicting to post, is all. Here i am going round and round with another flat earth cultist, and is it helping at all? What i've learned about people in this kind of cloud is that they don't seem to listen to any kind of reason; they will just ignore solid refutation and change subject. That's just what's being played out in this thread, like always ((it seems)).

Three things about this nonsense are especially evil when it's someone who takes the name of Christ who is deceived by it: the name of Christ is denigrated, the witness of the person damaged, and thirdly it takes away from the gospel. The conversation here - how can it lead anyone to Jesus and His glory? The subject is very bad physics, so the discussion is necessarily centered around science. And where is God praised here? How ever many pages and Jesus name is not lifted up. 50 more pages of Bladerunner being irrational and it still won't be lifted up, or even mentioned.

So the third thing is that even though i am correcting lies and establishing the truth, isn't this just one big distraction? And a useless one at that, because if experience has taught me anything it's that a person like this man will not accept any logic, argument or evidence. He'll cling to this lie as though to accept the reality that the Earth is a globe and the scripture does not teach otherwise is to say God doesn't exist. He's likely that set on it, as though the flat model is his god.

So i guess you didn't mean to be addressing me, but you spoke to my heart. God has blessed me with knowledge and understanding in some things and i wonder if i'm wasting those gifts here.

 

[trofimus]

Lol, I thought it was a joke.. somebody actually believes it?