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Brandon777
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5 The arrogant shall not stand in your sight.
You hate all workers of iniquity.
5 Yahweh examines the righteous,
but the wicked and him who loves violence his soul hates.
You hate all workers of iniquity.
5 Yahweh examines the righteous,
but the wicked and him who loves violence his soul hates.
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Ramon
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No. God does not hate people. He hates iniquity, because he is righteous. Iniquity will land you in hell, and many people acting out in their sin lead other people to hell, would not God hate this? Would not God hate it when a man offends someone to hell? Indeed. And many people are offended into hell daily.
Jesus died to save people from hell. He died to save people FROM their sins. If a person continues in sin, the wrath of God will destroy him. But if he repents and follow Jesus, he will be saved. Indeed, God examines the righteous to make them perfect, but the wicked his soul hates.
May Jesus bless you
Jesus died to save people from hell. He died to save people FROM their sins. If a person continues in sin, the wrath of God will destroy him. But if he repents and follow Jesus, he will be saved. Indeed, God examines the righteous to make them perfect, but the wicked his soul hates.
May Jesus bless you
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Brandon777
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I'm not 100% sure, but I'd say no. The word iniquity, when read in the context of the entire chapter suggests it refers to the unbeliever. When reading Chapter 5 there is clearly three sides to consider. The side of the writer pleading to Yahweh (I will bow toward your holy temple in reverence of you. Lead me, Yahweh, in your righteousness because of my enemies.), the side of the worker of iniquity (the bloodthirsty and deceitful man[he wants to kill and deceive]), and the side of God ("For you are not a God who has pleasure in wickedness. Evil can’t live with you. The arrogant shall not stand in your sight. You hate all workers of iniquity.")
I do not fit the worker of iniquity found in this passage. ie bloodthirsty and deceitful. Although I think there is a Scripture that says we are all deceitful in Revelation so I'm not sure.
That really puts it in a different direction altogether. Here's my take on it.
John 3:16 Says: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that anyone who might believe in Him would have eternal life." Yes, God is able to love the sinner and hate the sinner in different respects because as unsaved humans, we are lovable and hate-worthy. Loveable because we are preciously handmade creations of God's image (Genesis 1:27) and hate-worthy because we were born into sin upon conception (Psalm 51:5) because of the first generation of humans' betrayal of Him (Genesis 3:6). The unsaved, all of us at one point, betrayed God just as the unholy angels did. The Holy Scriptures tell us that Yahweh is slow to anger (Numbers 14:18) and thus restrains His wrath for a prolonged time (nearly the entire OT: example Israel) based on His abundant mercy and loving-kindness (Also Numbers 14:18). And due to His perfect justice (Job 37:23, 1 Kings 10:9) He does not let sin go unpunished forever and when God finally becomes angry, His wrath is very fearsome (Deuteronomy 28 especially verse 57). We see this happen to God's chosen nation Israel dozens of times all throughout the Old Testament. God punished His holy nation the way He punishes those He loves (Hebrews 12:6).
I do not fit the worker of iniquity found in this passage. ie bloodthirsty and deceitful. Although I think there is a Scripture that says we are all deceitful in Revelation so I'm not sure.
That really puts it in a different direction altogether. Here's my take on it.
John 3:16 Says: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that anyone who might believe in Him would have eternal life." Yes, God is able to love the sinner and hate the sinner in different respects because as unsaved humans, we are lovable and hate-worthy. Loveable because we are preciously handmade creations of God's image (Genesis 1:27) and hate-worthy because we were born into sin upon conception (Psalm 51:5) because of the first generation of humans' betrayal of Him (Genesis 3:6). The unsaved, all of us at one point, betrayed God just as the unholy angels did. The Holy Scriptures tell us that Yahweh is slow to anger (Numbers 14:18) and thus restrains His wrath for a prolonged time (nearly the entire OT: example Israel) based on His abundant mercy and loving-kindness (Also Numbers 14:18). And due to His perfect justice (Job 37:23, 1 Kings 10:9) He does not let sin go unpunished forever and when God finally becomes angry, His wrath is very fearsome (Deuteronomy 28 especially verse 57). We see this happen to God's chosen nation Israel dozens of times all throughout the Old Testament. God punished His holy nation the way He punishes those He loves (Hebrews 12:6).
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You say you are not 100% sure. So that means you could be a worker of iniquity, and that if so, you will be thrown into hell for all eternity. Doesn't this concern you? Jesus said that many people will stand before him thinking they are about to be saved, but he will simply tell them to get away you worker of iniquity. This is a heavy question my friend. HEAVY!! THIS IS ETERNAL MATTERS!! Yet, you are not sure?
Le'ts make this a bible study. I want you to read a passage of scriptures I will post them in the next post. brb
EZEKIEL 18.
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The context of even one passage is explained looking at the context of all the scriptures. God is complete. If an idea of what one single passage might mean does not line up with the full character of God, reflecting him in truth, it will be twisted.
This is how people pick apart the bible and scrutinize it. They take one passage and magnify it above wisdom. Wisdom is to fear God and keep his commands.
So let's explore it in the full context of all the scriptures, knowing the character of God. Have you read Ezekiel 18 yet?
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Just so you know, I went to Bible college so I know about the context of the whole Bible is important. You still never addressed my thread question. It's in Scripture, so what do you have to say about it? Or are you avoiding the question? I read all of Ezekiel ch 18. It didn't help me, sorry. I know you wanted to increase the kingdom...
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Ramon
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Ps 5:3 My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O Lord; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up.
Ps 5:4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
Ps 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. *
Ps 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man. *
Ps 5:7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.
It says, IN FEAR will I worship toward they holy temple.
It also says that the FOOLISH shall not stand in thy sight. And who is foolish? In your version it said arrogant. So only those who humble themselves will please God. The foolish are proud and speak leasing. You know why?
A person who knows to do right and does wrong, it is sin to him. Now, if that person says he is not in sin, even though the Lord convicts him, he will speak lies and lead people to hell. Because he knew it was wrong and he did it still. He is denying Truth to indulge in wickedness. All workers of iniquity are deceitful, because they love sin. And they teach people to sin. God hates this so much.
I ask again, are you a worker of iniquity?
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I read all of Ezekiel ch 18. It didn't help me with my question, although it did have a little to do with it.
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Ramon
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Well my friend. The best thing we can do is pray about it. When we ask God to answer something, and we seriously really want to know he will teach us. I know he will my friend. May Jesus bless you. Just wait on him.
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xJoe
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it says in Malachi Jacob I loved and esua I hated correct?
Hate:Feel intense or passionate dislike
Can you love someone and hate someone? Yes. The bible clearly teaches both. You will always be loved and conditionaly can be hated in my opinion..
Hate:Feel intense or passionate dislike
Can you love someone and hate someone? Yes. The bible clearly teaches both. You will always be loved and conditionaly can be hated in my opinion..
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Well in The bible God said He hated Esua but loved Jacob. When He said that He wasn't talking about serous hate as we hate. Hate in that sense means He bless one and not the other. back then hate meant you weren't going be the heir or next to carry on something (heir). If confused you can pray to God to show you. And study it.
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If you said Amen to xJoe then I think we agree.
I'm actually not confused on it. Although I know there's a lot I don't know about this. My opinion is that Children of God are both loved and hated in different respects. If you want a real shocker read Deuteronomy Chapter 28 especially verse 57 and find out the context. Then you can be sure just what God's hate means without any doubt in your mind.
Awe Brandon.... God is love.......But He is also an excellent speaker.....You have to read what He saids in context...Its like reading literature... When He speaks of hate in that sense He is speaking about the behaviour.........
You have to separate the two otherwise the enemy will have a field day with your mind. and put you exactly where He wants you
Which is to doubt the unshakable love go God
Even if you lived your entire life without God and ended up in hell (pls note the word if), He would grieve for you in Hell ...His love would not even stop there
You have to separate the two otherwise the enemy will have a field day with your mind. and put you exactly where He wants you
Which is to doubt the unshakable love go God
Even if you lived your entire life without God and ended up in hell (pls note the word if), He would grieve for you in Hell ...His love would not even stop there