God in the Hands of an Angry Sinner*

[Seeker47]

While writing and speaking in defense of the First Testament; one criticism comes up every time. It supposes that the God of the first Testament is angry and judgmental, and He has been replaced by the kind, loving, and gentle Yeshua.

This statement contradicts the very words of Christ himself. Jesus repeated made it very clear He could do nothing on his own, that he could only do the will of his Father. The allegation also contradicts the grace YHWH has consistently demonstrated from the very first act of creation; grace flowing uninterrupted until today. We know Jesus is the very Son of God and that He was sent by The Father. He was sent for revelation, redemption, and restoration. This sending is the ultimate act of grace.

The statement is also the ultimate hypocrisy. God delayed His chosen people from entering the promised land for four hundred years until the sin of the people become complete; yet another act of grace. I believe God has righteously judged very single soul and that He will continue to do so. (More on that below.) The final chapters of the Second Testament also portray Christ coming in the end times to avenge the earth. He first slays the armies of the nations with the sword of his mouth and then, “…treads the winepress of God’s wrath” until the blood of sinners fills the Jezreel Valley. That’s not preached much.

Lastly, but most important, the critical statement about God is founded on human values and standards, but not God’s. It is founded on the belief that what happens on earth is the ultimate standard of right and wrong, the ultimate reality. It assumes our reality is also God’s. We tug at God trying to pull Him down to our level. We do not know and can never understand God. We don’t know why we are here, where He is taking us or by what means he uses to accomplish His perfect goals. The First Testament explains that God’s righteousness far exceeds our own, His judgements are true, ours are human.

Yeshua told us we must accept His Father in Faith. There is no other way.

*With apologies to Jonathan Edwards

 

[Brasspen]

What God does to us, is for our good. We are blessed and cursed not. He chastises to save us from sin.

 

[Doll]

While writing and speaking in defense of the First Testament; one criticism comes up every time. It supposes that the God of the first Testament is angry and judgmental, and He has been replaced by the kind, loving, and gentle Yeshua.

This statement contradicts the very words of Christ himself. Jesus repeated made it very clear He could do nothing on his own, that he could only do the will of his Father. The allegation also contradicts the grace YHWH has consistently demonstrated from the very first act of creation; grace flowing uninterrupted until today. We know Jesus is the very Son of God and that He was sent by The Father. He was sent for revelation, redemption, and restoration. This sending is the ultimate act of grace.

The statement is also the ultimate hypocrisy. God delayed His chosen people from entering the promised land for four hundred years until the sin of the people become complete; yet another act of grace. I believe God has righteously judged very single soul and that He will continue to do so. (More on that below.) The final chapters of the Second Testament also portray Christ coming in the end times to avenge the earth. He first slays the armies of the nations with the sword of his mouth and then, “…treads the winepress of God’s wrath” until the blood of sinners fills the Jezreel Valley. That’s not preached much.

Lastly, but most important, the critical statement about God is founded on human values and standards, but not God’s. It is founded on the belief that what happens on earth is the ultimate standard of right and wrong, the ultimate reality. It assumes our reality is also God’s. We tug at God trying to pull Him down to our level. We do not know and can never understand God. We don’t know why we are here, where He is taking us or by what means he uses to accomplish His perfect goals. The First Testament explains that God’s righteousness far exceeds our own, His judgements are true, ours are human.

Yeshua told us we must accept His Father in Faith. There is no other way.

*With apologies to Jonathan Edwards

"The allegation also contradicts the grace YHWH has consistently demonstrated from the very first act of creation; grace flowing uninterrupted until today. "

Have you read the entire Old Testament or the Jewish Tanakh?

 

[Seeker47]

"The allegation also contradicts the grace YHWH has consistently demonstrated from the very first act of creation; grace flowing uninterrupted until today. "

Have you read the entire Old Testament or the Jewish Tanakh?

I have studied most of the First Testament. These have been in-depth studies. I'm not finished yet, if God wills me the time. I am currently studying the Apocrypha.

 

[homwardbound]

While writing and speaking in defense of the First Testament; one criticism comes up every time. It supposes that the God of the first Testament is angry and judgmental, and He has been replaced by the kind, loving, and gentle Yeshua.

This statement contradicts the very words of Christ himself. Jesus repeated made it very clear He could do nothing on his own, that he could only do the will of his Father. The allegation also contradicts the grace YHWH has consistently demonstrated from the very first act of creation; grace flowing uninterrupted until today. We know Jesus is the very Son of God and that He was sent by The Father. He was sent for revelation, redemption, and restoration. This sending is the ultimate act of grace.

The statement is also the ultimate hypocrisy. God delayed His chosen people from entering the promised land for four hundred years until the sin of the people become complete; yet another act of grace. I believe God has righteously judged very single soul and that He will continue to do so. (More on that below.) The final chapters of the Second Testament also portray Christ coming in the end times to avenge the earth. He first slays the armies of the nations with the sword of his mouth and then, “…treads the winepress of God’s wrath” until the blood of sinners fills the Jezreel Valley. That’s not preached much.

Lastly, but most important, the critical statement about God is founded on human values and standards, but not God’s. It is founded on the belief that what happens on earth is the ultimate standard of right and wrong, the ultimate reality. It assumes our reality is also God’s. We tug at God trying to pull Him down to our level. We do not know and can never understand God. We don’t know why we are here, where He is taking us or by what means he uses to accomplish His perfect goals. The First Testament explains that God’s righteousness far exceeds our own, His judgements are true, ours are human.

Yeshua told us we must accept His Father in Faith. There is no other way.

*With apologies to Jonathan Edwards

God, has been merciful from day one in the fall of Adam and Eve
God did not kill either one. A matter of fact, hr clothed them, fed them and put them out of the garden they were in, to till the gt]round for themselves and find out they do not know as now think they do after eating from that one particular tree to bring them knowledge of right and wrong
Again God did not kill either one of them! Merciful from day one. remains merciful to this day for us all, proven in risen Son to me anyways, thank you Lord, for working with me in all mistakes I have mad and might make again
I trust you to teach me from my mistakes presently made and learn from all past ones in love and mercy given me first through Son
Time to learn from mistakes from Father personally 1 John 2:27

 

[GWH]

While writing and speaking in defense of the First Testament; one criticism comes up every time. It supposes that the God of the first Testament is angry and judgmental, and He has been replaced by the kind, loving, and gentle Yeshua.

This statement contradicts the very words of Christ himself. Jesus repeated made it very clear He could do nothing on his own, that he could only do the will of his Father. The allegation also contradicts the grace YHWH has consistently demonstrated from the very first act of creation; grace flowing uninterrupted until today. We know Jesus is the very Son of God and that He was sent by The Father. He was sent for revelation, redemption, and restoration. This sending is the ultimate act of grace.

The statement is also the ultimate hypocrisy. God delayed His chosen people from entering the promised land for four hundred years until the sin of the people become complete; yet another act of grace. I believe God has righteously judged very single soul and that He will continue to do so. (More on that below.) The final chapters of the Second Testament also portray Christ coming in the end times to avenge the earth. He first slays the armies of the nations with the sword of his mouth and then, “…treads the winepress of God’s wrath” until the blood of sinners fills the Jezreel Valley. That’s not preached much.

Lastly, but most important, the critical statement about God is founded on human values and standards, but not God’s. It is founded on the belief that what happens on earth is the ultimate standard of right and wrong, the ultimate reality. It assumes our reality is also God’s. We tug at God trying to pull Him down to our level. We do not know and can never understand God. We don’t know why we are here, where He is taking us or by what means he uses to accomplish His perfect goals. The First Testament explains that God’s righteousness far exceeds our own, His judgements are true, ours are human.

Yeshua told us we must accept His Father in Faith. There is no other way.

*With apologies to Jonathan Edwards

I believe you are correct to believe that God righteously judges every single soul, and that Christ is coming in the end times to accomplish that, which for unbelievers will be experiencing God’s wrath or hell.

The reason that is not preached much, is because most do not understand how wrath/hell is consistent with God's love and righteousness. This question concerned me for many years until God gave me the following insight, which is explained in
Part VI of Lesson 1 in our website:

God created theoretical evil or the possibility of rejecting Him as an option that actualizes moral free will (MFW)/human personality.
As such it is necessary and even good (Gen. 1:31). Of course, it was wrong for Satan (1John 3:8) and humanity (Rom. 5:12) to make evil actual by choosing to Sin or reject Faith in God’s Lordship. Sin: ignoring God/God’s Word.

MFW only exists when there is the possibility of choosing between two qualitatively opposite moral options that we call good and evil. These options are opposites because of essentially different consequences for choosing them. Choosing good results in blessing, life and heaven; and choosing evil results in cursing, death and hell (Deut. 30:19). This is why hell as well as heaven exists. It is the just consequence for choosing evil rather than God.

The Spirit of God is good: love, peace and joy (Gal. 5:22-23). Therefore, whoever rejects the Lord is spiritually separated from Him
(Isa. 59:2) and thereby chooses the evil or satanic spirit of hatred, strife and misery and reaps the just consequence called “hell” in the afterlife (Gal. 6:7-9, Heb. 9:27-28). These options were presented by Moses to the Israelites (Deut. 30:19), and Jesus referred to this fundamental choice in terms of a fish or egg versus a snake or scorpion (Luke 11:11-13). Life… or Curse? (Gen. 3:24, Rev. 22:1-2)

God loves a cheerful giver (2Cor. 9:7), which means He desires people to cooperate with Him happily because of love and gratitude for His grace rather than to cower before Him because of fear of hell. Love must be evoked; it cannot be coerced. And again, when souls sin or do NOT choose to love God freely, it is perfectly just (loving and logical) for them to reap the appropriate consequence (Gal. 6:7-9) or hell.

Thus, evil people punish/torture themselves by experiencing delayed karma, just as those who experience appropriate justice during this earthly existence also punish themselves or reap what they have sown and send themselves to jail. This view makes souls responsible for breaking the rules rather than blaming evil on the judges (or Judge) who enforce the rules.

The purpose of earthly punishment is to promote repentance, but the reason for retribution in hell is to attain justice. It is difficult to imagine, but somehow even someone as evil as Hitler will receive perfect justice, perhaps experiencing the agony of the millions of deaths he caused in accordance with the principal of “eye for eye” (Matt. 5:38), after which their souls are destroyed forever (per John 17:12, Rom. 9:22, Gal. 6:8, Phil. 3:19, 2Thes. 1:9, 2Pet. 3:7 & Rev. 20:13-14).