God loves the sinner and hates the sin.

[Grandpa]

While I believe God gets angry at the sinner, I do not believe God actually hates them. How could He? He created them. Does it make logical sense to hate that which you create? God angry? Yes. They have a free will choice to do good. But to sit there and smash your train set you just built and scream "I hate you Mr Choo Choo train!" is not exactly the concept of God that I see. God is love. One needs to first understand that before even reading your Bible.

When you look into the Eyes of the Lord Jesus Christ do you think you will see anger there?

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

 

[p_rehbein]

When you look into the Eyes of the Lord Jesus Christ do you think you will see anger there?

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Hmm, good question. No, not anger though. Some will see joyous love, but I fear many will see sorrow and disappointment. I do not think Jesus will take pleasure in separating the wheat from the chafe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmm, good question. No, not anger though. Some will see joyous love, but I fear many will see sorrow and disappointment. I do not think Jesus will take pleasure in separating the wheat from the chafe.

Interesting thought. That fateful day when death and hades are cast into the lake of fire. when God has to send all those (angelic or human) to eternal darkness because they followed Satan, may just be the saddest day in eternal history.

 

[TMS]

It was sad on the day of the flood when so many drowned but God didn't kill them they killed themselves because they choose not to get into the boat that God gave them. All they had to do was believe and act on that belief. I don't believe the Lord will kill anyone, they will die due to the choices they made.
Adam and Eve hide from God because they felt naked and ashamed. If you stand before God with nothing to cover all your sins??? Moses couldn't see Gods face. Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. When Jesus is standing before everyone thou's that have the robe of Christ's righteousness will be able to stand but the people that choose to stand in their own righteousness will be so guilty and ashamed that they will ask the rocks to fall on them. It will be sad when that day comes but God has waited long enough to be reunited with His people.

 

[Jason0047]

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Yep. God is love, yet he gave up his diety, came to earth, suffered many things hung on a cross to pay the payment we owe. Died and was risen again,

But did not finish the job, he could have saved us completely in that humble act. but instead he left it to us to save ourselves by doing something which not even the jews could do. Stop sin.

I find it amazing you teach God is love, yet you do not preach a loving and forgiving God.

God is very loving and forgiving of sin indeed. But this is only if a person truly has a Godly sorrow of their sin which leads to repentance unto salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10). For if a believer sins, they have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin (1 John 1:9) and they have to walk in the light as he is in the light so as to be cleansed of all sin (1 John 1:7). God does not cover unrepentant sins that lead unto death like lying, hating, and looking at women in lust. One cannot willingly rebel against God in the present moment by such evil and still be saved. That is abusing God's grace.

 

[Jason0047]

It was sad on the day of the flood when so many drowned but God didn't kill them they killed themselves because they choose not to get into the boat that God gave them. All they had to do was believe and act on that belief. I don't believe the Lord will kill anyone, they will die due to the choices they made.
Adam and Eve hide from God because they felt naked and ashamed. If you stand before God with nothing to cover all your sins??? Moses couldn't see Gods face. Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. When Jesus is standing before everyone thou's that have the robe of Christ's righteousness will be able to stand but the people that choose to stand in their own righteousness will be so guilty and ashamed that they will ask the rocks to fall on them. It will be sad when that day comes but God has waited long enough to be reunited with His people.

Imagine if they believed and got on the boat? Now imagine if they continued to go right back to their evil ways after they got off the boat? Do you think God would refuse to judge them like He did before?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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God is very loving and forgiving of sin indeed. But this is only if a person truly has a Godly sorrow of their sin which leads to repentance unto salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10). For if a believer sins, they have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin (1 John 1:9) and they have to walk in the light as he is in the light so as to be cleansed of all sin (1 John 1:7). God does not cover unrepentant sins that lead unto death like lying, hating, and looking at women in lust. One cannot willingly rebel against God in the present moment by such evil and still be saved. That is abusing God's grace.

And this is your gospel?

That is not a God of love, A god who says he takes up residence in you. A God you claimed to trust with an assurance (the true meaning of the word faith)

You act as if God is going to allow people to live in sin, (not gonna happen, who can withstand the chastening of the lord) and you always pick on your pet peave sins, refusing to acknowledge that the least of all sin would cause you to be condemned by the law.

When are you going to repent Jason? Again, you preach that you believe God is love, but what you preach is apposed to that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Imagine if they believed and got on the boat? Now imagine if they continued to go right back to their evil ways after they got off the boat? Do you think God would refuse to judge them like He did before?

wow.

So they got on the boat (repented that their evil ways got them in the situation they needed to be saved from to begin with)

Then got back off the boat to go back to the very things that caused them to need to be rescued to begin with.

Do you ever think about what you say? These people never got on the boat. they just held onto the side, and maybe went for a spin, they were never saved, as peter said, as a dog, they always return to their vomit. They did not have faith in God, they did not repent, they were never saved.

Woe to you Pharisee (for preaching a gospel of lies and no hope and self boasting, ego building gospel which is no gospel at all. )

 

[flob]

When it comes to sexual orientation, it is impossible to separate the sin from the sinner.

To the contrary:
Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats: one lot for Jehovah and the other lot for Azazel. And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for Jehovah fell, and offer it as a sin offering. But the goat on which the lot for Azazel fell shall be made to stand alive before Jehovah to make expiation over it that it may be sent away to Azael into the wilderness...
Then he shall slaughter the goat of the sin offering, which is for the people, and bring its blood inside the veil...because of the uncleannesses of the children of Israel and because of their transgressions...expiation for himself and for his household and for all the congregation of Israel...And when he has finished making expiation...he shall present the live goat. And Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel and all their transgressions, even all their sins; and he shall put them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness...Thus the goat shall bear away all their iniquities on itself to a solitary land.
Lev 16.
For I delight in the law of God according to the inner man, but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and making me a captive to the law of sin which is in my members...
Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from the body of this death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!...There is now then no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has freed me in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and of death...if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness...He...will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you.
As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that every one who believes into Him may have eternal life

 

[Tankman131]

While I believe God gets angry at the sinner, I do not believe God actually hates them. How could He? He created them. Does it make logical sense to hate that which you create? God angry? Yes. They have a free will choice to do good. But to sit there and smash your train set you just built and scream "I hate you Mr Choo Choo train!" is not exactly the concept of God that I see. God is love. One needs to first understand that before even reading your Bible.

YEAH!!! I mean, as long as i ignore these scriptures over here, and twist one or two scriptures over there, the God of rhe Bible becomes the god i want him to be.

 

[Sirk]

YEAH!!! I mean, as long as i ignore these scriptures over here, and twist one or two scriptures over there, the God of rhe Bible becomes the god i want him to be.

I wonder what sect teaches him the drivel he spews. Some of it sounds like...The Way International. Is that your "church" Jason?

 

[Jason0047]

And this is your gospel?

That is not a God of love, A god who says he takes up residence in you. A God you claimed to trust with an assurance (the true meaning of the word faith)

You act as if God is going to allow people to live in sin, (not gonna happen, who can withstand the chastening of the lord) and you always pick on your pet peave sins, refusing to acknowledge that the least of all sin would cause you to be condemned by the law.

When are you going to repent Jason? Again, you preach that you believe God is love, but what you preach is apposed to that.

Well, if you believe you can sin and still be saved (or die in unrepentant sin such as lying and still be saved): Then you do not grasp what Chastening actually means. Chastening of the Lord is to correct bad behavior it is not so that you can stay in your sins and or to be a slave to your sin (if that is indeed what you believe). For pretty much everyone here who believes in a sin and still be saved doctrine or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) are strongly against the idea that you can ever stop sinning. Yet, the purpose of Chastening is to stop a person from sinning. It's like folks here are purposedly setting out to test God and to be Chastened on purpose and yet not be corrected because you and others are saying you cannot stop sinning. So your version of Chastening just doesn't make sense. It is like saying you will do evil just so you can be corrected but yet.... your never really corrected .... because you keep sinning. Hello? Am I getting thru to you on this point?

As for repentance: My guess is that you we do not agree what repentance actually means. I believe the Bible clearly teaches that repentance involves admitting or confessing one's sin to God and then forsaking that sin. Others here do not agree with that version of repentance. For they say that all you have to do is have a change of mind. But that is not true repentance, though. Is that what you believe repentance is? How would you define it? Please give me details of what you think Repentance is and please give me Scripture to back your statement of belief on it.

 

[Tankman131]

Yep. God is love, yet he gave up his diety, came to earth, suffered many things hung on a cross to pay the payment we owe. Died and was risen again,

But did not finish the job, he could have saved us completely in that humble act. but instead he left it to us to save ourselves by doing something which not even the jews could do. Stop sin.

I find it amazing you teach God is love, yet you do not preach a loving and forgiving God.

Im beginning to think Jason is some kind of universalist unitarian with a goal in life to see if he can twist every verse in the Bible to fit his false gods mold.

 

[Sirk]

Well, if you believe you can sin and still be saved (or die in unrepentant sin such as lying and still be saved): Then you do not grasp what Chastening actually means. Chastening of the Lord is to correct bad behavior it is not so that you can stay in your sins and or to be a slave to your sin (if that is indeed what you believe). For pretty much everyone here who believes in a sin and still be saved doctrine or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) are strongly against the idea that you can ever stop sinning. Yet, the purpose of Chastening is to stop a person from sinning. It's like folks here are purposedly setting out to test God and to be Chastened on purpose and yet not be corrected because you and others are saying you cannot stop sinning. So your version of Chastening just doesn't make sense. It is like saying you will do evil just so you can be corrected but yet.... your never really corrected .... because you keep sinning. Hello? Am I getting thru to you on this point?

As for repentance: My guess is that you we do not agree what repentance actually means. I believe the Bible clearly teaches that repentance involves admitting or confessing one's sin to God and then forsaking that sin. Others here do not agree with that version of repentance. For they say that all you have to do is have a change of mind. But that is not true repentance, though. Is that what you believe repentance is? How would you define it? Please give me details of what you think Repentance is and please give me Scripture to back your statement of belief on it.

You really need to learn to shut your piehole and listen. You remind me of my 14 year old, who is autistic btw. We went golfing the other day. On the way to the course he bragged and bragged about how he was going to show me how it's done. I ended up beating him by 20 strokes. The funny thing is that in his mind he won. The people here really are shaking their heads at your sanctimonious obstinance.

 

[Reborn]

I wonder what sect teaches him the drivel he spews. Some of it sounds like...The Way International. Is that your "church" Jason?

None.
Sadly, l'm pretty sure Jason and the Argue-lots make it up as they go along?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, if you believe you can sin and still be saved (or die in unrepentant sin such as lying and still be saved): Then you do not grasp what Chastening actually means. Chastening of the Lord is to correct bad behavior it is not so that you can stay in your sins and or to be a slave to your sin (if that is indeed what you believe).

See how you twist things to your own destruction (and yes I firmly know your headed to destruction)

Chastening is like a parent who disciplines their children when they mess up. Why do you need chastened if you are perfect Jason. You spew out of both sides of your mouth, You claim we must be perfect (meaning we would ever need to be chastened) then claim we can be chastened, I firmly believe you are so blind as to what you actually believe, you do not realise all the mistakes you keep making, which a normal person would see and hey wait, what I am doing, am I this ignorant? But you can;t see it.

For pretty much everyone here who believes in a sin and still be saved doctrine or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) are strongly against the idea that you can ever stop sinning. Yet, the purpose of Chastening is to stop a person from sinning. It's like folks here are purposedly setting out to test God and to be Chastened on purpose and yet not be corrected because you and others are saying you cannot stop sinning. So your version of Chastening just doesn't make sense. It is like saying you will do evil just so you can be corrected but yet.... your never really corrected .... because you keep sinning. Hello? Am I getting thru to you on this point?

Again you have no idea what the term means, and twist it to your own destruction.

Paul said I do not have the spirit of fear (like your preaching) I have the spirit of abbah father. God chastens me to show me my mistakes. A person who has true faith will learn from these mistakes. your problem is you do not realise your sin, so you can not fathom what it takes for a BABY (who knows literally nothing at birth) to grow into a spiritually mature christian, You think they were born as super spiritually mature adults (superchristians) which is not biblical.

As for repentance: My guess is that you we do not agree what repentance actually means. I believe the Bible clearly teaches that repentance involves admitting or confessing one's sin to God and then forsaking that sin. Others here do not agree with that version of repentance. For they say that all you have to do is have a change of mind. But that is not true repentance, though. Is that what you believe repentance is? How would you define it? Please give me details of what you think Repentance is and please give me Scripture to back your statement of belief on it.

True repentance leads to true faith. If you do not agree you are a sinner, and in need of hope. and your sins are what causes you your pain and hardship. You can not have faith, if you can not have faith, you are not saved, because we are saved by FAITH, not belief (James 2)

Your problem is your faith is in how good you do and how good you are. and not in Christ. Thus you my friend, are not repenting, Your like the pharisee on the street corner, Woe is me lord, thank God I am not like the sinner.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Im beginning to think Jason is some kind of universalist unitarian with a goal in life to see if he can twist every verse in the Bible to fit his false gods mold.

he is really no different than a pharisee the only difference is he claims the name of Christ. they rejected him.. Other than that, they are identical in what they preach (just different words)

 

[Jak795]

God may hate the sin and love the sinner. But he also expects said sinner to cease repeating the sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God may hate the sin and love the sinner. But he also expects said sinner to cease repeating the sin.

That would be the ultimate goal.. Sometimes it takes some of us fools a few hard knocks to realise how this particualr sin is affecting us in a negative way, and start to trust God in this area of our lives.

It is easy to not do many things, some of the things we do (which we may not even realize are sinful until we grow up some) are not so easy.

Pride is on I can think of which we do over and over and over, and wonder when it will ever stop.

 

[Sirk]

he is really no different than a pharisee the only difference is he claims the name of Christ. they rejected him.. Other than that, they are identical in what they preach (just different words)

"Teach"....and you used that word lightly. Lol. I try to be of the mind that I can learn something from anyone. The truth is with Jason is that his smug sanctimonious attitude is a total turn off for me and I can only get in the first few words from his posts before the gag reflex starts. His "enabler" in chief is a whole other issue and she is doing this poor guy no favors by encouraging his religaholic addiction.