john 17:
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
I apologize for my lack in English , that i am not sure i know the intention of the scriptures you sent above.
I try to catch some of words that was high lighted :
“that thou hast sent me” then as if it refer to = some one who was sent by God to be in this earth.
Then
John17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because
they are not of the world,
even as I am not of the world.
here also as if Jesus and us are equal , we are all sent by God from the eternal realm, but actually the intention is to explain that we are the products of the eternity(born of God , should be sent first to this perishable earth ) , not original product of this perishable earth aka born of flesh = equal to the animals ( sorry not intent to sarcastic ) Ecc3:19 ), and Jesus is not equal as a created being as we are.
Because He is
the only redeemer, He is
the only savior , and in
Isaiah had already said that
the redeemer is God alone , the savior is God alone ( last post ).
Ecc3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath;
so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity
We can explore deeper by this question: Why should Messiah /savior/ redeemer/Jesus come to us about 2.000 years ago, why not be together when Noah, Abraham, or Moses ?.
There should be the very important reason there.
Sorry if I a little bit digress , but I mean when we want to know Him comprehensively , we have to know first:
Who are we?
Who is God ?
Why should we be here in the perishable earth first ( where sins are inevitable Rom 8:20 ), why not directly in the eternal realm?
How difficult for God to create all (names) He had already planned since before the creation of the world, to meet His goal , not only Adam and Eve in the beginning?
Why didnt He use His faithful angels and equipped with the eternal bodies ( surely will never sin , need not the Messiah to redeem them , need not the Holy spirits to keep and help them daily , need not to multiply so need not also to know about God the Father )?
We can ponder those questions to explore further , then surely by His charity we will come to the understanding we really need.
Who is God? , why Should He introduce Himself as:
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit ?.
Before we dig profoundly about Who is God , we need to know first that; The realm in which we live is a temporal realm, it means that this realm has a period of its existence at a time when it is surpassed that it must no longer exist in its place.
Almighty God is an immortal being unlimited by the dimension of space and time, and He is also the alpha and omega, meaning that even if the earth we live in has been over God still remains.
If the earth we live in is a temporary realm, then the creatures that exist on this earth are also temporary (only when this temporal existence exists), if God is eternal then the man He created living on this earth also is not for His ultimate purpose but only for a while wandering or sojourning then surely move to the eternal world (where God is), But how could this temporal being be in eternal realm that is not bounded by space and time limitation?, surely
they not fit to live in this eternal realm?. The conclusion is the spirit of man that will come eternally and this human spirit surely is not a natural product of this perishable realm , means that the human spirit must be the eternal realm product which was placed by God to exist in the physical body of man to temporarily wander / sojourn in This perishable earth for a
particular purpose of God which had been planned since before this perishable world was formed.
Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and
formeth the spirit of man within him.
Ecc12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it
Jer1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly
I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations
Then what is
His particular purpose for His people while sojourning this perishable earth?
If we learn from the Bible that eternal realm is not limited by time, it means that whenever its existence will remain flat its graph / no change / its inhabitant does not get older or more and more or more clever or more stupid / steady, but not for this perishable realm there is born there is dead there is young there is old there is clever there is fool, so His particular purpose for His people while sojourning in this perishable earth is
Growth for growth is not exist in eternal realm.
Rom8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope
1Pet1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work,
pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Heb5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as
have need of milk, and not of strong meat
2Pet3:18 But
grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen
If God's particular purpose for His people is growth (obviously, the man initially does not know the difference between good and evil), then what is God's ultimate goal for His creation?
Glorifying God: the human mouth and heart say that "
glory is for God alone".
Isa43:7 Even
every one that is called by my name:
for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him
Eph1:4 According as
he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love
If the ultimate goal (glorifying God) can be achieved simply without passing into the perishable realm, God surely chose this simplest way, but it turn out that sojourning through this perishable realm is the only way that the ultimate goal can be reached.
For man can glorify God, man must come to understand that
the salvation (living in eternal realm with God)
is the grace of God alone.
Salvation= grace of God alone, then the men must understand and agree
that they will never be able to achieve the salvation through their own efforts what ever those sound good.
Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and
all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away
Isa26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us:
for thou also hast wrought all our works in us
Then starts gradually God teaches His people through His word which is recorded from Genesis to Revelation, and His people
verify themselves.
First; In the premise of
"Salvation = the grace of God alone" there must be
the Chosen people which means the spiritual beings who were sent by God from the eternal Realm to the perishable realm while it is in the process of development / purification until finally win / understood, or only those whose names were written in the book of life Since before the creation of the world, or surely the devil can not participate even though he also exists in the temporal realm and also dwells in the natural human body / earth dust Gen3: 14, then here appears It is clear that there is a difference between those who are
the chosen people, and those who are
born of flesh where these very people are possible to become the camp of the devil ----- >
the chosen = born of God (in the physical body there is a human spirit which God sent to wander/sojourn On earth), relating to this then
God is the Father of this chosen people, there is also the man of the world = the dust = born of flesh = possible to be the devils camp= possible the devil surely will be the father of these men (John 8:44).
Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
9:8 That is,
They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born,
not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
So it is clear: in order to His people/the chosen understood that salvation = the grace of God alone then;
God must introduce Himself as the Father of His people.
Isa63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD,
art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
It must also be taught to them/His people/the chosen that while they are sojourning/wandering in this perishable earth they surely will be kept by God Himself as
a guide, entertainer, helper, that they surely will not be a meal of the devil, here:
God must introduce Himself as God the Holy Spirit.
Luke11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and
they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first
Isa44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb,
which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.
Isa51:12 I, even I,
am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;
Isa46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel,
which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:
46:4 And even to your old age I am he; and
even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you
Finally His people also should be compelled to witnessing the manifestation of the God Grace that was demonstrated by the Messiah/ the Redeemer/ the Savoir through crucifixion and resurrection ( cause naturally they will never grasp and admit about it), where in the OT also had been revealed well that the savoir is only God Himself, the redeemer is only God Himself ( Isa 49:26 Isa 43:3 Isa 43:11) , so relating to this event :
God must introduce Himself as God the Son.
Hence until here it is clear that God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are the identities of God Himself so that His people who were sent to sojourn to this perishable realm well understood that
Salvation = only by Gods Grace.
Few additions ; If God did not create men in this perishable realm, then there must have been an eternal realm whose inhabitants were God, angels and demons (the spirits), where the angel had no gender, would God
introduce Himself as
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to the angels? Of course not because the term is
very strange to them who is genderless, not able to multiply, and who cannot interchange his position (from devil to faithful angel vice versa).
Isa44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth
by myself;
Can His people finally understand? Salvation= God's grace alone
if God did not introduce Himself as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to man?.
