God's Judgment ------The Harbinger ---Isaiah 9:10

[ResidentAlien]

Okay, I found it—John Winthrop's sermon aboard the Mayflower: https://www.americanyawp.com/reader...ohn-winthrop-dreams-of-a-city-on-a-hill-1630/

Here's an excerpt:

"Thus stands the cause between God and us. We are entered into covenant with Him for this work. We have taken out a commission. The Lord hath given us leave to draw our own articles. We have professed to enterprise these and those accounts, upon these and those ends. We have hereupon besought Him of favor and blessing. Now if the Lord shall please to hear us, and bring us in peace to the place we desire, then hath He ratified this covenant and sealed our commission, and will expect a strict performance of the articles contained in it; but if we shall neglect the observation of these articles which are the ends we have propounded, and, dissembling with our God, shall fall to embrace this present world and prosecute our carnal intentions, seeking great things for ourselves and our posterity, the Lord will surely break out in wrath against us, and be revenged of such a people, and make us know the price of the breach of such a covenant."​

It makes more sense when you read the whole thing. It essentially says that they were making a covenant with God and asking His blessing. For their part they agreed to form a Christian commonwealth in which everyone would be treated fairly, justly and equally; not unlike the primitive church. If God brought them through their voyage safely, that meant He agreed with them and would bless them, as long as they held up their end. If not, "the Lord will surely break out in wrath against us, and be revenged of such a people, and make us know the price of the breach of such a covenant."

They broke the covenant almost from the get-go. Initially, all things were held in common; no one owned anything privately. This was what they agreed to as part of their covenant. But it wasn't long until they abandoned this and started giving people private ownership of land. Anyone remotely acquainted with American history knows it went straight downhill from there.

So was this covenant anything at all like that which God entered into with Israel? Certainly not. It's ludicrous to say—based on an agreement the pilgrims made aboard the Mayflower—that the US is in a covenant relationship with God like ancient Israel. And even if it was true at one point, it certainly isn't now.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Jonathan Cahn is a liar. I'm sorry but there's no nice way to say it. In this article https://www.charismanews.com/cultur...ry-that-determines-america-s-future-and-yours, he says:

1. "America is modeled after ancient Israel." (False)

2. "In 1630, John Winthrop led the Puritans' exodus to the new world. He dedicated our nation to the purposes of God, founded after the pattern of ancient Israel." (False)

If you read Winthrop's sermon posted above, he doesn't say any such thing as founding the US after the pattern of Israel.

In this article https://www.charismanews.com/cultur...30-prophesied-the-judgment-of-9-11-on-america, he says:

1. Supposedly paraphrasing Winthrop: "If we follow God, we will be the most blessed people in the world. We'll be the most prosperous, the most powerful (ridiculous) . . . But people don't read on to comprehend what he [Winthrop] actually said. He said, But if we turn away God, then the judgments that came on Israel will come upon us." This is simply a blatant lie. Winthrop never said anything about judgments like those of Israel coming on the US.

 

[PennEd]

there are a lot of False Prophets around ---spouting out Man Made Climate Change ----

When only God is in charge of the Climate ----and He is unleashing His Climate Wrath on unrepented Nations in the here and now ------and the Nations still refuse to see the Light ----

Satan has them all Duped

This is a good point.

We tend to be very myopic. Just because in Biblical times false prophets spoke in the name of their gods, like Baal, doesn’t mean todays global false prophets on such things as global warming, or pandemics, etc… are any different.

We categorize them as simply secular, when in fact they prophecy in the name of false gods just like in the past.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

About american History, first there is no arguing that a land must be governed by an empirialistic over arching government inorder for a people to possess the land. Such is the case for israel in the time of the judges.
America was a far different country in the time of early colonizing than it was even in the later colonial years. It was certainly a different country after the revolutionary war. Obviously. However it was also a very different country culturally. So much so that i would say that there was very little identifying with the early plymouth rock settlement or the mayflower settlers.

 

[pottersclay]

This is a good point.

We tend to be very myopic. Just because in Biblical times false prophets spoke in the name of their gods, like Baal, doesn’t mean todays global false prophets on such things as global warming, or pandemics, etc… are any different.

We categorize them as simply secular, when in fact they prophecy in the name of false gods just like in the past.

Have you seen return of the gods?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

This is a good point.

We tend to be very myopic. Just because in Biblical times false prophets spoke in the name of their gods, like Baal, doesn’t mean todays global false prophets on such things as global warming, or pandemics, etc… are any different.

We categorize them as simply secular, when in fact they prophecy in the name of false gods just like in the past.

I qualify them as false prophets as well. And it does bother me when christians fall for their lies as well. I still, however, hate those false prophets who claim they speak in the name of our God, even more. Their snare targets the children of God.

 

[PennEd]

Have you seen return of the gods?

I have not.

 

[stonesoffire]

Psa 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

I didn't learn about Budha in Sunday School.

There's scripture that defines the word covenant as agreement.


Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

I should of added what verse 17 is all about if interested, one can read it

I totally love this picture.

 

[pottersclay]

I have not.

Return of the gods....cahn...can see if you have youtube...intresting🤔🤔

 

[ResidentAlien]

Spoiler Alert

The "dark trinity" as Cahn calls it—Baal, Ishtar and Molech—were the three Gods that supposedly led to Israel's downfall. They have now returned to cause the downfall of Western civilization, especially the US; because of course the US is the "new Israel." This is Return of the Gods in a nutshell.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Spoiler Alert

The "dark trinity" as Cahn calls it—Baal, Ishtar and Molech—were the three Gods that supposedly led to Israel's downfall. They have now returned to cause the downfall of Western civilization, especially the US; because of course the US is the "new Israel." This is Return of the Gods in a nutshell.

I'm not claiming America is the new Israel but I take you are not aware the social society in California that gathers yearly and worships a moloch statue, or the fact two years ago the Baal Archway was brought to America and unveiled in New York City, and several other things that are related to ancient pagan deities that 50 years ago we would NOT ALLOW.

Our current president and national leader calls himself a follower of God but promotes abortion rights and same sex, gender bending rights as equal compared to all people.

America is definitely doing things in the OPEN she would have not been doing before.

America is getting her just reward and we will be witnesses to it.

 

[ResidentAlien]

or the fact two years ago the Baal Archway was brought to America and unveiled in New York City

I'm aware of this, but it wasn't a "Baal Archway" though. I've researched this and commented on it in another thread. It's just more smoke and mirrors.

I agree the whole world is under the control of demons. The way I see though, Jonathan Cahn is part of the problem not the solution. He's a deceiver disguised as an angel of light.