God's Love and Our Love

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#1
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (Jn. 3:16).

But unfortunately, churches don't truly express this very foundational and important truth: God's love is vastly distinct from human love and christians should learn to discriminate between their own love for people and God's love for people. God so loved the world. God loves humans; humans do not.

At the very beginning of civilization, the third recorded human alive killed his own brother. When God asked him where his missing brother was, his response was arrogant: "I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper?" or in contemporary English, "I don't care about him. I'm not responsible for him."

"Father, break my heart for what breaks Yours." christians who don't know or sense the things that are on God's heart (what gives Him joy and what causes Him sorrow) are not connected to Him. For them, sincerely asking God to allow them to think and feel about the world as He does would inevitably rehaul and overhaul their reality.

I had a 'church experience' 20 years ago that started to open my eyes to the experiential reality that God's love and our love are distinct. My older brother, a prophetic person, told me that the charismatic churches were "soulish" and "emotional". I didn't know what he meant, but one day at the charismatic church we attended, I drove some guy home. I had met him at the front of the church when anyone can go up after church and get prayer or pray for others. I prayed for him and in the emotionalism of the moment asked if he needed anything. He asked if I could give him a ride home. I remember how much love I thought I had for this guy I didn't know... until I parked in front of his apartment. No exaggeration: as soon as I parked my car, that 'love' evaporated. It was gone, all of it. Gone. I was all alone with this guy and suddenly couldn't wait for him to get out of my car. He apparently sensed the sudden change in me, and I never saw him back in church.

Many christians experience this change between strong pleasant emotions and intentions vs. suddenly not having those emotions or motivation anymore, especially the 'happier' christian denominations that are quick to 'be nice' to everyone. (I know because I can see in their faces when the emotional and sentimental 'love' lifts and they're left alone, "Just as I am without one plea.") Unfortunately, most of them don't address this tremendous cognitive dissonance, the reality that the 'love' they feel for others is shallow, shaky, and flaky. They don't confront the stark reality of their rapidly changing emotions and instead keep repeating the same attempts to love others. And keep falling short. Their churches don't teach or model God's love, so they have no access to it. I, however, did confront this inconsistency and began to learn that goodwill and good intentions are the human equivalent of God's love. Paul said, "Love never fails" (1Corinthians 13). He was talking about God's love, not human love. Differentiating between the two types of love was the theme of the chapter though Paul, unfortunately, doesn't plainly say it. He stated that it's possible to give all you have to the poor and even sacrifice yourself (ie. human love) and still not have love (ie. God's love).

In verses 4-7, Paul defines God's love (the total opposite of human love) and what God's love looks like in practical action: "Love suffers long and is kind..." Patience is one of the attitudes that no one can fake to themselves. You can fake it to others, but as soon as you get impatient, you can't lie to yourself because impatience is a very imposing and obvious feeling. We as humans love only people who do something good for us-- not necessarily an action but just a reality or feeling: our spouse, our children, our pets, people we like, more people we like, and even more people we like. When we love, we do it primarily for our own sake. It's natural, but there's a lot of room there for error. God's love is very distinct from human love. Most people have never sensed God's love and so can't discriminate between the two. Even petting a friend's animal, I have sensed Jesus's love for the animal which is very distinct from mine. For one, I'm not a pet person and don't really care for pets at all. There were two instances when I was praying for someone who had tried to destroy me and sensed God's love for them. His love is pure is really the best word for it. We love people and things that do something [good] for us. God just loves.

Paul said, "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him" (1Cor. 6:17). Many christians are not 'joined to Christ', therefore, they don't know His thoughts and feelings about anything. A healthy married couple (even an unhealthy one) in time comes to know each others' mind and heart. In Ezekiel 9:4 God told one of His servants, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it." If you are a christian but can't sense God's mind and heart on the brokenness, suffering, sin, and lostness in the world-- and if you aren't grieved or at the very least disturbed by it-- then you are simply 'experiencing' what it feels like to not be connected or joined (or "one spirit") with Jesus. Matthew West's old song 'My Own Little World' captures the essence of how God views the world and people. A few christians run with bleeding hearts to fix world issues, but God wants them to instead run with His own mind and heart so they can approach people and situations the way He would (and therefore have the correct and restorative effect) rather than the way we do (like I did that guy at that church and had no lasting or redemptive effect): "Break my heart for what breaks Yours." That is what co-partnering with Jesus is. No one can carry out any 'great commission' or any commission at all if they aren't "one spirit with Him". Partnership (connectedness, being 'joined') is vital, essential, and indispensable for any christian who wants to make a difference in the life of someone else, because God loves humans; humans do not.

 

homwardbound

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Oct 24, 2012
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#2
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (Jn. 3:16).

But unfortunately, churches don't truly express this very foundational and important truth: God's love is vastly distinct from human love and christians should learn to discriminate between their own love for people and God's love for people. God so loved the world. God loves humans; humans do not.

At the very beginning of civilization, the third recorded human alive killed his own brother. When God asked him where his missing brother was, his response was arrogant: "I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper?" or in contemporary English, "I don't care about him. I'm not responsible for him."

"Father, break my heart for what breaks Yours." christians who don't know or sense the things that are on God's heart (what gives Him joy and what causes Him sorrow) are not connected to Him. For them, sincerely asking God to allow them to think and feel about the world as He does would inevitably rehaul and overhaul their reality.

I had a 'church experience' 20 years ago that started to open my eyes to the experiential reality that God's love and our love are distinct. My older brother, a prophetic person, told me that the charismatic churches were "soulish" and "emotional". I didn't know what he meant, but one day at the charismatic church we attended, I drove some guy home. I had met him at the front of the church when anyone can go up after church and get prayer or pray for others. I prayed for him and in the emotionalism of the moment asked if he needed anything. He asked if I could give him a ride home. I remember how much love I thought I had for this guy I didn't know... until I parked in front of his apartment. No exaggeration: as soon as I parked my car, that 'love' evaporated. It was gone, all of it. Gone. I was all alone with this guy and suddenly couldn't wait for him to get out of my car. He apparently sensed the sudden change in me, and I never saw him back in church.

Many christians experience this change between strong pleasant emotions and intentions vs. suddenly not having those emotions or motivation anymore, especially the 'happier' christian denominations that are quick to 'be nice' to everyone. (I know because I can see in their faces when the emotional and sentimental 'love' lifts and they're left alone, "Just as I am without one plea.") Unfortunately, most of them don't address this tremendous cognitive dissonance, the reality that the 'love' they feel for others is shallow, shaky, and flaky. They don't confront the stark reality of their rapidly changing emotions and instead keep repeating the same attempts to love others. And keep falling short. Their churches don't teach or model God's love, so they have no access to it. I, however, did confront this inconsistency and began to learn that goodwill and good intentions are the human equivalent of God's love. Paul said, "Love never fails" (1Corinthians 13). He was talking about God's love, not human love. Differentiating between the two types of love was the theme of the chapter though Paul, unfortunately, doesn't plainly say it. He stated that it's possible to give all you have to the poor and even sacrifice yourself (ie. human love) and still not have love (ie. God's love).

In verses 4-7, Paul defines God's love (the total opposite of human love) and what God's love looks like in practical action: "Love suffers long and is kind..." Patience is one of the attitudes that no one can fake to themselves. You can fake it to others, but as soon as you get impatient, you can't lie to yourself because impatience is a very imposing and obvious feeling. We as humans love only people who do something good for us-- not necessarily an action but just a reality or feeling: our spouse, our children, our pets, people we like, more people we like, and even more people we like. When we love, we do it primarily for our own sake. It's natural, but there's a lot of room there for error. God's love is very distinct from human love. Most people have never sensed God's love and so can't discriminate between the two. Even petting a friend's animal, I have sensed Jesus's love for the animal which is very distinct from mine. For one, I'm not a pet person and don't really care for pets at all. There were two instances when I was praying for someone who had tried to destroy me and sensed God's love for them. His love is pure is really the best word for it. We love people and things that do something [good] for us. God just loves.

Paul said, "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him" (1Cor. 6:17). Many christians are not 'joined to Christ', therefore, they don't know His thoughts and feelings about anything. A healthy married couple (even an unhealthy one) in time comes to know each others' mind and heart. In Ezekiel 9:4 God told one of His servants, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it." If you are a christian but can't sense God's mind and heart on the brokenness, suffering, sin, and lostness in the world-- and if you aren't grieved or at the very least disturbed by it-- then you are simply 'experiencing' what it feels like to not be connected or joined (or "one spirit") with Jesus. Matthew West's old song 'My Own Little World' captures the essence of how God views the world and people. A few christians run with bleeding hearts to fix world issues, but God wants them to instead run with His own mind and heart so they can approach people and situations the way He would (and therefore have the correct and restorative effect) rather than the way we do (like I did that guy at that church and had no lasting or redemptive effect): "Break my heart for what breaks Yours." That is what co-partnering with Jesus is. No one can carry out any 'great commission' or any commission at all if they aren't "one spirit with Him". Partnership (connectedness, being 'joined') is vital, essential, and indispensable for any christian who wants to make a difference in the life of someone else, because God loves humans; humans do not.

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therefore we need God Love imputed in us by God for us as in 1 Cor 13:4-7 tells me that I know I can't do and see to only trust God to do it as in Luke 21:14-125 tells me, thanks for the post
 

GWH

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Oct 19, 2024
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#3
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (Jn. 3:16).

But unfortunately, churches don't truly express this very foundational and important truth: God's love is vastly distinct from human love and christians should learn to discriminate between their own love for people and God's love for people. God so loved the world. God loves humans; humans do not.

At the very beginning of civilization, the third recorded human alive killed his own brother. When God asked him where his missing brother was, his response was arrogant: "I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper?" or in contemporary English, "I don't care about him. I'm not responsible for him."

"Father, break my heart for what breaks Yours." christians who don't know or sense the things that are on God's heart (what gives Him joy and what causes Him sorrow) are not connected to Him. For them, sincerely asking God to allow them to think and feel about the world as He does would inevitably rehaul and overhaul their reality.

I had a 'church experience' 20 years ago that started to open my eyes to the experiential reality that God's love and our love are distinct. My older brother, a prophetic person, told me that the charismatic churches were "soulish" and "emotional". I didn't know what he meant, but one day at the charismatic church we attended, I drove some guy home. I had met him at the front of the church when anyone can go up after church and get prayer or pray for others. I prayed for him and in the emotionalism of the moment asked if he needed anything. He asked if I could give him a ride home. I remember how much love I thought I had for this guy I didn't know... until I parked in front of his apartment. No exaggeration: as soon as I parked my car, that 'love' evaporated. It was gone, all of it. Gone. I was all alone with this guy and suddenly couldn't wait for him to get out of my car. He apparently sensed the sudden change in me, and I never saw him back in church.

Many christians experience this change between strong pleasant emotions and intentions vs. suddenly not having those emotions or motivation anymore, especially the 'happier' christian denominations that are quick to 'be nice' to everyone. (I know because I can see in their faces when the emotional and sentimental 'love' lifts and they're left alone, "Just as I am without one plea.") Unfortunately, most of them don't address this tremendous cognitive dissonance, the reality that the 'love' they feel for others is shallow, shaky, and flaky. They don't confront the stark reality of their rapidly changing emotions and instead keep repeating the same attempts to love others. And keep falling short. Their churches don't teach or model God's love, so they have no access to it. I, however, did confront this inconsistency and began to learn that goodwill and good intentions are the human equivalent of God's love. Paul said, "Love never fails" (1Corinthians 13). He was talking about God's love, not human love. Differentiating between the two types of love was the theme of the chapter though Paul, unfortunately, doesn't plainly say it. He stated that it's possible to give all you have to the poor and even sacrifice yourself (ie. human love) and still not have love (ie. God's love).

In verses 4-7, Paul defines God's love (the total opposite of human love) and what God's love looks like in practical action: "Love suffers long and is kind..." Patience is one of the attitudes that no one can fake to themselves. You can fake it to others, but as soon as you get impatient, you can't lie to yourself because impatience is a very imposing and obvious feeling. We as humans love only people who do something good for us-- not necessarily an action but just a reality or feeling: our spouse, our children, our pets, people we like, more people we like, and even more people we like. When we love, we do it primarily for our own sake. It's natural, but there's a lot of room there for error. God's love is very distinct from human love. Most people have never sensed God's love and so can't discriminate between the two. Even petting a friend's animal, I have sensed Jesus's love for the animal which is very distinct from mine. For one, I'm not a pet person and don't really care for pets at all. There were two instances when I was praying for someone who had tried to destroy me and sensed God's love for them. His love is pure is really the best word for it. We love people and things that do something [good] for us. God just loves.

Paul said, "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him" (1Cor. 6:17). Many christians are not 'joined to Christ', therefore, they don't know His thoughts and feelings about anything. A healthy married couple (even an unhealthy one) in time comes to know each others' mind and heart. In Ezekiel 9:4 God told one of His servants, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it." If you are a christian but can't sense God's mind and heart on the brokenness, suffering, sin, and lostness in the world-- and if you aren't grieved or at the very least disturbed by it-- then you are simply 'experiencing' what it feels like to not be connected or joined (or "one spirit") with Jesus. Matthew West's old song 'My Own Little World' captures the essence of how God views the world and people. A few christians run with bleeding hearts to fix world issues, but God wants them to instead run with His own mind and heart so they can approach people and situations the way He would (and therefore have the correct and restorative effect) rather than the way we do (like I did that guy at that church and had no lasting or redemptive effect): "Break my heart for what breaks Yours." That is what co-partnering with Jesus is. No one can carry out any 'great commission' or any commission at all if they aren't "one spirit with Him". Partnership (connectedness, being 'joined') is vital, essential, and indispensable for any christian who wants to make a difference in the life of someone else, because God loves humans; humans do not.

The truth that "God's love is vastly distinct from human love" is why Paul prayed for the Holy Spirit to dwell in the Ephesians so they may have the ability to know/experience the love of Christ and that it would increase until they were filled with the fullness of God (EPH 3:14-19). The HS answers this prayer as Christians persevere in LGW.
 

j55

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#4
Because Reprobates can't understand love. There ingrained with selfishness. Jeremiah tells us how deceitful the heart is. 1 Epistle of John chapter 3:9. Habitual simners.
Psalm chapter 139
Those who choose to be enemies of the cross, will find God treating them same way. When someone attacks Body of Christ, we must stand up for Jesus. Who do wicked stand up for ? Deuteronomy 7:10
God repays those who hate him to there faces. Jesus will love those who love him. And destroy those who hate Him. Psalm chapter 31
O love the Lord, all ye saints for the Lord preserves the faithful, and plentifully rewards the proud.
Love is the ticket. The wicked hate the righteous and God.
Psalm chapter 16
As for the saint's who are on the Earth, they are the excellent ones, in whom is all my delight. What does the wicked enhance, and the righteous. What is of value, and what is devalued. Look at quality and quantity.
Which group derives good fruit., and which group derives bad fruit. Jesus is looking at what is of value.
What enhancement is Jesus looking at.
Edifying or tearing down. Composite is the adjective. Reprobates are not born again, and don't have holy Spirit. They can't make modifications in there life. To have inner transformation. Looking at photography, is it genuine or distortions. What is of value and what isn't. Im not judging anyone. Is the picture deformed or curved unnaturally. How good was the lens geometrics. It can disrupt the picture quality.
Do we understand?.
Peace.
 

homwardbound

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Oct 24, 2012
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#5
Because Reprobates can't understand love. There ingrained with selfishness. Jeremiah tells us how deceitful the heart is. 1 Epistle of John chapter 3:9. Habitual simners.
Psalm chapter 139
Those who choose to be enemies of the cross, will find God treating them same way. When someone attacks Body of Christ, we must stand up for Jesus. Who do wicked stand up for ? Deuteronomy 7:10
God repays those who hate him to there faces. Jesus will love those who love him. And destroy those who hate Him. Psalm chapter 31
O love the Lord, all ye saints for the Lord preserves the faithful, and plentifully rewards the proud.
Love is the ticket. The wicked hate the righteous and God.
Psalm chapter 16
As for the saint's who are on the Earth, they are the excellent ones, in whom is all my delight. What does the wicked enhance, and the righteous. What is of value, and what is devalued. Look at quality and quantity.
Which group derives good fruit., and which group derives bad fruit. Jesus is looking at what is of value.
What enhancement is Jesus looking at.
Edifying or tearing down. Composite is the adjective. Reprobates are not born again, and don't have holy Spirit. They can't make modifications in there life. To have inner transformation. Looking at photography, is it genuine or distortions. What is of value and what isn't. Im not judging anyone. Is the picture deformed or curved unnaturally. How good was the lens geometrics. It can disrupt the picture quality.
Do we understand?.
Peace.
I see "Believe" God in risen Son Jesus, "Receive" from God Father in risen Son given and "see" new in the new life given one. Yet from day one, there is much learning, so be willing and then see willingly to change. that be the new relationship given us to grow up in, at least this is what has been going on in me from day one I decided to believe God in risen Son Jesus.
67 now, 12 when I chose, and got lost in this world of troubles, God never leaving or forsaking me, as I see now never, anyone else either, even though it might seem as so, God does not forsake anyone, even though my experiences have shown me people will as even I have done that also to others, God does not, yet is interpreted as does or will, sorry
it is this love that never stops that goes on forever that has changed me and is changing me willingly (1 Cor 13:13) Leaving, left all the milk as gone, Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6:3
Ask, believe receive and see, if one will not stop or quit
Remember what Evil said to God in Job 1, Job would deny God if Job is gotten bad things done to him. Job did not deny God throughout that entire book of Job. A short while here in adversities, compared to eternity, I take trust to God even in troubles happening, thanks
 

wattie

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Feb 24, 2009
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#6
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (Jn. 3:16).

But unfortunately, churches don't truly express this very foundational and important truth: God's love is vastly distinct from human love and christians should learn to discriminate between their own love for people and God's love for people. God so loved the world. God loves humans; humans do not.

At the very beginning of civilization, the third recorded human alive killed his own brother. When God asked him where his missing brother was, his response was arrogant: "I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper?" or in contemporary English, "I don't care about him. I'm not responsible for him."

"Father, break my heart for what breaks Yours." christians who don't know or sense the things that are on God's heart (what gives Him joy and what causes Him sorrow) are not connected to Him. For them, sincerely asking God to allow them to think and feel about the world as He does would inevitably rehaul and overhaul their reality.

I had a 'church experience' 20 years ago that started to open my eyes to the experiential reality that God's love and our love are distinct. My older brother, a prophetic person, told me that the charismatic churches were "soulish" and "emotional". I didn't know what he meant, but one day at the charismatic church we attended, I drove some guy home. I had met him at the front of the church when anyone can go up after church and get prayer or pray for others. I prayed for him and in the emotionalism of the moment asked if he needed anything. He asked if I could give him a ride home. I remember how much love I thought I had for this guy I didn't know... until I parked in front of his apartment. No exaggeration: as soon as I parked my car, that 'love' evaporated. It was gone, all of it. Gone. I was all alone with this guy and suddenly couldn't wait for him to get out of my car. He apparently sensed the sudden change in me, and I never saw him back in church.

Many christians experience this change between strong pleasant emotions and intentions vs. suddenly not having those emotions or motivation anymore, especially the 'happier' christian denominations that are quick to 'be nice' to everyone. (I know because I can see in their faces when the emotional and sentimental 'love' lifts and they're left alone, "Just as I am without one plea.") Unfortunately, most of them don't address this tremendous cognitive dissonance, the reality that the 'love' they feel for others is shallow, shaky, and flaky. They don't confront the stark reality of their rapidly changing emotions and instead keep repeating the same attempts to love others. And keep falling short. Their churches don't teach or model God's love, so they have no access to it. I, however, did confront this inconsistency and began to learn that goodwill and good intentions are the human equivalent of God's love. Paul said, "Love never fails" (1Corinthians 13). He was talking about God's love, not human love. Differentiating between the two types of love was the theme of the chapter though Paul, unfortunately, doesn't plainly say it. He stated that it's possible to give all you have to the poor and even sacrifice yourself (ie. human love) and still not have love (ie. God's love).

In verses 4-7, Paul defines God's love (the total opposite of human love) and what God's love looks like in practical action: "Love suffers long and is kind..." Patience is one of the attitudes that no one can fake to themselves. You can fake it to others, but as soon as you get impatient, you can't lie to yourself because impatience is a very imposing and obvious feeling. We as humans love only people who do something good for us-- not necessarily an action but just a reality or feeling: our spouse, our children, our pets, people we like, more people we like, and even more people we like. When we love, we do it primarily for our own sake. It's natural, but there's a lot of room there for error. God's love is very distinct from human love. Most people have never sensed God's love and so can't discriminate between the two. Even petting a friend's animal, I have sensed Jesus's love for the animal which is very distinct from mine. For one, I'm not a pet person and don't really care for pets at all. There were two instances when I was praying for someone who had tried to destroy me and sensed God's love for them. His love is pure is really the best word for it. We love people and things that do something [good] for us. God just loves.

Paul said, "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him" (1Cor. 6:17). Many christians are not 'joined to Christ', therefore, they don't know His thoughts and feelings about anything. A healthy married couple (even an unhealthy one) in time comes to know each others' mind and heart. In Ezekiel 9:4 God told one of His servants, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it." If you are a christian but can't sense God's mind and heart on the brokenness, suffering, sin, and lostness in the world-- and if you aren't grieved or at the very least disturbed by it-- then you are simply 'experiencing' what it feels like to not be connected or joined (or "one spirit") with Jesus. Matthew West's old song 'My Own Little World' captures the essence of how God views the world and people. A few christians run with bleeding hearts to fix world issues, but God wants them to instead run with His own mind and heart so they can approach people and situations the way He would (and therefore have the correct and restorative effect) rather than the way we do (like I did that guy at that church and had no lasting or redemptive effect): "Break my heart for what breaks Yours." That is what co-partnering with Jesus is. No one can carry out any 'great commission' or any commission at all if they aren't "one spirit with Him". Partnership (connectedness, being 'joined') is vital, essential, and indispensable for any christian who wants to make a difference in the life of someone else, because God loves humans; humans do not.

Reminds me of when in my youth, we would go to big christian events, like concerts and the so called 'toronto blessing ' (held here in Christchurch, NZ)

We would get into a euphoric state with the music.... ready to be susceptible to what the speaker would say.

Some of us would have already been converted...but still would go up, on an emotional high..to the stage for the altar call from the speaker.

After all the buzz and emotional experience it would be the end of the concert/event.

We would go home and within a few hours..the feeling almost completey disappears.

We would go back to our typical teenage lives, ungrounded in the Word.
 

posthuman

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#7
patient,
kind,
not jealous,
not vain,
not arrogant or rude,
not enjoying evil,
rejoicing over the truth,
bearing everything,
always believing,
always hoping,
always enduring,

this never fails.
 
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#8
Practice doing to others what you would want done to yourself and not doing to others what you wouldn't want done to yourself and you will know God's love. Make this a habit at a microlevel, bringing every thought into the obedience of Christ, and you will see Christ forming within you. God has made it very simple for us. This is the ultimate justice, ie righteousness
 

homwardbound

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Oct 24, 2012
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#9
Reminds me of when in my youth, we would go to big christian events, like concerts and the so called 'toronto blessing ' (held here in Christchurch, NZ)

We would get into a euphoric state with the music.... ready to be susceptible to what the speaker would say.

Some of us would have already been converted...but still would go up, on an emotional high..to the stage for the altar call from the speaker.

After all the buzz and emotional experience it would be the end of the concert/event.

We would go home and within a few hours..the feeling almost completey disappears.

We would go back to our typical teenage lives, ungrounded in the Word.
Emotional drug
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Yes, the thief here in this Chapter is Emotions, it drags us into submission for a little while in excitement
A train has an engine and a caboose. The engine leads, pulls the caboose along
If the caboose is in the lead, what happens?
Seeing the Caboose as Emotions, Emotions are to follow the truth not lead, God is the truth, not religion, not anyone else. Yet that is what is happening in this world still
Emotions are used to control the people. The risen Son is where new life is at for us all to be given that and stand in truth, God won for us through Son to us all, it is done for us to love all, not be an emotional wrecks. If anyone is a wreck, that person seeks out help, from God, yet goes to man to get it, and does not get it in truth thank you. They tell you the truth, yet do not do it themselves. They seek out proselytes, only to make them twice the son of hell as themselves.
Watch out for the leaven of people, what is the motive behind what they tell you? Are they gaining ground anything from you. I remember a pastor, telling me, I was seeing things as he saw, and was excited over that. I left that religion not long afterwards, seeing he was out for self, and was using God to get his way, sitting in Mose's seat, using it selfishly, and yet he did know the Bible, just used it wrong for me, I saw where it was trying to lead me, might not have been his intent, yet I knew to leave it behind me and did.
Please seek God Father and Son as Won for you personally, if you have not yet
It s a personal relationship first, then a share in care to all others, thanks
 

wattie

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Emotional drug
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Yes, the thief here in this Chapter is Emotions, it drags us into submission for a little while in excitement
A train has an engine and a caboose. The engine leads, pulls the caboose along
If the caboose is in the lead, what happens?
Seeing the Caboose as Emotions, Emotions are to follow the truth not lead, God is the truth, not religion, not anyone else. Yet that is what is happening in this world still
Emotions are used to control the people. The risen Son is where new life is at for us all to be given that and stand in truth, God won for us through Son to us all, it is done for us to love all, not be an emotional wrecks. If anyone is a wreck, that person seeks out help, from God, yet goes to man to get it, and does not get it in truth thank you. They tell you the truth, yet do not do it themselves. They seek out proselytes, only to make them twice the son of hell as themselves.
Watch out for the leaven of people, what is the motive behind what they tell you? Are they gaining ground anything from you. I remember a pastor, telling me, I was seeing things as he saw, and was excited over that. I left that religion not long afterwards, seeing he was out for self, and was using God to get his way, sitting in Mose's seat, using it selfishly, and yet he did know the Bible, just used it wrong for me, I saw where it was trying to lead me, might not have been his intent, yet I knew to leave it behind me and did.
Please seek God Father and Son as Won for you personally, if you have not yet
It s a personal relationship first, then a share in care to all others, thanks
I've since got grounded in the Word and left charismatic christianity.

i also tried New Age beliefs and there was little difference between it and charismsnia
 

homwardbound

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I've since got grounded in the Word and left charismatic christianity.

i also tried New Age beliefs and there was little difference between it and charismsnia
There is:
The Law verses Grace
Grace is The end of the Law, that was given for the purpose to reveal our need for God to lead willing through us the people. Read Galatians and one might get it, then Romans, the Colossians, Phillipians all the Epistles
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To appreciate and not take for granted and use it for any self gain over it, sitting in Moses's seat, might be the only reward people will get from doing that. Not good for the Soul, at least for me, and did not see that at first. I had to start growing up in God and Son as Won as risen for new life in God's spirit to lead not me anymore.
Maturing still, thanking God Father and Son daily, seeing to reckon me as dead daily. Not easy when one, anyone becomes wise as a serpent, to remain harmless as a dove
Or to be willing for God Father to lead as in Luke 21:14-15 tells me of. To come to the end of the energy of my first born flesh nature, is a fight in itself.

Okay, here we go, the New claimed Church, rebuilt by man, sees we are reconciled and forgiven and loved by God freed to be inn the law of liberty.
The liberty to choose.
Yet man sees if man preached this truth of Grace given them, Then. no one will go to them the building for salvation, to get peace over their own demises. (The new Church building began when the preachers, that did not believe God started saying they believe God. Then the people started going to buildings afterwords, putting their faith in preachers, not good, and yet good, What? Christ the person is preached, not so much as risen, more like not here anymore, now I am to be leader, attitudes of the flesh nature.
Therefore they preach Law to get us in with them as leaders over us, to need God and have to go to them to get more forgiveness, when that part is by God in Son already done for us by that cross of Son that took away sin for us all, once (Hebrews 10:10)( John 19:30, John 1:29)To now enter God's grace given to for us to ask Father, not for more forgiveness (Reconciliation). This is done first, for us to ask Daddy, Father how to forsake the doing wrong to others, that we are caught up in under Law doing. Whether or not another deserves it or not. I know I do and God chose not to, therefore who am I to ever excuse and accuse anyone else ever? (Romans 2:1-4) I am not the creator. Yet have acted as am, I see to respond to God not people not even me in my thought(s)
Therefore now beginning g to understand
Hebrews 4:9-13
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. ...

Believe, receive and see in humility, thanks to Father and Son as Won for us the people
 

CS1

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If you don't have the Holy Spirit, have surrendered to God, repent, and come to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, you can not discern God's love or what real love over lust.
 

homwardbound

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If you don't have the Holy Spirit, have surrendered to God, repent, and come to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, you can not discern God's love or what real love over lust.
Anyone can try and many do that trying. and yes can't do it, Sometimes think they are and are not, have gotten deceived in it.
Yet Father in Son as won for us to become new and seen as new from Father to us, those that have chose to believe God, God I see amazingly never leaves anyone, as I have seen people, myself included, have done.
I see this amazing love given to all through Son as done for us to become new in belief to see it and be it humbly, not taking any credit over it, at least for me, thanking Father and Son as Won for us all.
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