Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope.

Paul spoke of a future deliver, when the times of the gentile is complete. Who will remove the sin of Jacob, and cause them to repent. at which case, the blindness in part of Israel will cease to exist, and "all isreal will be saved"

you still ignoring the context of what paul was saying.
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You ignore the context in which Saint Paul talked. Saint Paul answered to the question: are Jews no longer God's people (since Paul also thought that all jewish practices should be put aside)? He said "at the present time there is a remnant Israel", chosen by grace (you hear? By grace and not by other means or grounds such as race and religious exclusivism, but by grace alone!).
 
GuessWho said:
You ignore the context in which Saint Paul talked. Saint Paul answered to the question: are Jews no longer God's people (since Paul also thought that all jewish practices should be put aside)? He said "at the present time there is a remnant Israel", chosen by grace (you hear? By grace and not by other means or grounds such as race and religious exclusivism, but by grace alone!).
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The context is Israel is blinded in part. Until the fullness of the gentiles has come in.

Your ignoring context. Yu ignore that whole phrase,

You have paul saying Israel will be blind in part forever as long as this earth remains. This is not true.
 
prodigal said:
amos 9 11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.
13 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

fulfilled in jesus day

as for genesis
romans


4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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Your take on Amos is of course true only if you drop a literal interpretation for an allegorical interpretation in which case anything can mean anything.
 
GuessWho said:
You rejected Him first. He'll probably say "I do not know you".
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there you go with the false accusing again.

By the way, why did you not show me where my gospel was wrong, I gave it to you a few posts back. What was wrong with my gospel>?

Here I will show you again.

God gave me eternal life based in his promise made to abraham (in you shall all the nations of the world be blessed) I am saved solely on his promise of eternal life to me based solely on his death on the cross.

Then again Abraham was saved this way, as was noah and adam, and Daniel and soloman, and moses and jeremiah. We have always been saved by faith through grace.

So where do I deny the gospel?
 
eternally-gratefull said:

lets not get tricky, and take it in context. otherwise we would misinterpret what paul was actually saying.

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[h]

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

Paul is speaking future tense here, When the blindess of Israel will be removed, He states they are blind in part until the time of the gentile is complete. THEN they will all be saved, why?

The deliver will come out of zion
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maybe blindness has happened to some Christians UNTIL the rapture.
People, there will be an end to their blindness, no?
 
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crossnote said:
maybe blindness has happened to some Christians UNTIL the rapture.
People, there will be an end to their blindness, no?
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I think some of them will be in heaven with us and we will be laughing at these arguments.

I fear the ones left behind will have already lost hope. they will still deny it.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
there you go with the false accusing again.

By the way, why did you not show me where my gospel was wrong, I gave it to you a few posts back. What was wrong with my gospel>?

Here I will show you again.

God gave me eternal life based in his promise made to abraham (in you shall all the nations of the world be blessed) I am saved solely on his promise of eternal life to me based solely on his death on the cross.

Then again Abraham was saved this way, as was noah and adam, and Daniel and soloman, and moses and jeremiah. We have always been saved by faith through grace.

So where do I deny the gospel?
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You deny the gospel entirely! God fulfilled His promises towards Israel (and included the whole world also) by sending His Son to deliver all from sin and death. You deny that Christ is the deliverer of Israel, the Savior of the world, the waited Messiah.

For you and crossnote, Christ is not the real Messiah, but just a mere religious and allegorical personality that has nothing to do with Israel, nothing to do with the prophecies and promises from the O.T., nothing to do with history. In my gospel, Christ has EVERYTHING to do with Israel and the promises God made to her.
 
GuessWho said:
You deny the gospel entirely! God fulfilled His promises towards Israel (and included the whole world also) by sending His Son to deliver all from sin and death. You deny that Christ is the deliverer of Israel, the Savior of the world, the waited Messiah.

For you and crossnote, Christ is not the real Messiah, but just a mere religious and allegorical personality that has nothing to do with Israel, nothing to do with the prophecies and promises from the O.T., nothing to do with history. In my gospel, Christ has EVERYTHING to do with Israel and the promises God made to her.
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lol.. I deny none of what you say I do. Nor does crossnote.

How can you read what I posted and make such a claim.

You just proved your true self. You have no desire to learn or see what people actually believe, your like the pharisees. They too believed the promise to Israel was salvic. Well if it was. All jews will be saved, as will all Gentiles who did the things necessary by the law of moses to enter into covenant between God and Israel.

You might believe in Christ, and even the fact he came to save you. But you do not believe in the God of the universe, who will ALWAYS keep his promise, to whoever he gave it to. Not all of Gods promises were salvic. Only one.
 
GuessWho said:
You deny the gospel entirely! God fulfilled His promises towards Israel (and included the whole world also) by sending His Son to deliver all from sin and death. You deny that Christ is the deliverer of Israel, the Savior of the world, the waited Messiah.

For you and crossnote, Christ is not the real Messiah, but just a mere religious and allegorical personality that has nothing to do with Israel, nothing to do with the prophecies and promises from the O.T., nothing to do with history. In my gospel, Christ has EVERYTHING to do with Israel and the promises God made to her.
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That’s simply childish. Of course Jesus is the Messiah of Israel and the Church. He is gathering His Church and will one day save Israel.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
lol.. I deny none of what you say I do. Nor does crossnote.

How can you read what I posted and make such a claim.

You just proved your true self. You have no desire to learn or see what people actually believe, your like the pharisees. They too believed the promise to Israel was salvic. Well if it was. All jews will be saved, as will all Gentiles who did the things necessary by the law of moses to enter into covenant between God and Israel.

You might believe in Christ, and even the fact he came to save you. But you do not believe in the God of the universe, who will ALWAYS keep his promise, to whoever he gave it to. Not all of Gods promises were salvic. Only one.
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All promises of God were salvic. You are the pharisee because you fail to understand Jesus Christ. He was anything but a politic agitator. He fulfilled all God's promises. He is the Messiah that all have been waiting for. The pharisees were a ultra-nationalist sect and they expected salvation from the Roman government, not from sin and death. So, you are the pharisee here, not me.
 
crossnote said:
That’s simply childish. Of course Jesus is the Messiah of Israel and the Church. He is gathering His Church and will one day save Israel.
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Can't you understand that He came first for Israel but Israel rejected Him? Didn't Saint Paul said in Romans that the gospel was "for the Jews first and also, equally, for the Greek"?

God's chosen people are now all the believers (whether jew or gentile). God has been faithful towards Israel.
Edit: where does it say in the Bible that God sends two Saviors, one for the Church and another one for Israel?
 
GuessWho said:
All promises of God were salvic. You are the pharisee because you fail to understand Jesus Christ. He was anything but a politic agitator. He fulfilled all God's promises. He is the Messiah that all have been waiting for. The pharisees were a ultra-nationalist sect and they expected salvation from the Roman government, not from sin and death. So, you are the pharisee here, not me.
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You're about to be filed into the Troll Bin with your incessant character attacks.
Any opinions on this future military conquest?

Zechariah 14:1-5
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
 
GuessWho said:
Can't you understand that He came first for Israel but Israel rejected Him? Didn't Saint Paul said in Romans that the gospel was "for the Jews first and also, equally, for the Greek"?

God's chosen people are now all the believers (whether jew or gentile). God has been faithful towards Israel.
Edit: where does it say in the Bible that God sends two Saviors, one for the Church and another one for Israel?
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Again...

Zechariah 14:1-5
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
 
GuessWho said:
All promises of God were salvic.
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They were? God promised that if Israel disobeyed him, He would destroy their high places and their enemy would take them as slaves.

What is salvic about that?

Do you even read scripture? Or are you to busy listening to some pastor, or priest, or pope who taught you all this crap?

You are the pharisee because you fail to understand Jesus Christ.
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Oh, I understand him fine, I understand the promise to Israel does not mean they will all be saved, because it was not a salvic promise. You the one who thinks it was. Like them

He was anything but a politic agitator. He fulfilled all God's promises. He is the Messiah that all have been waiting for. The pharisees were a ultra-nationalist sect and they expected salvation from the Roman government, not from sin and death. So, you are the pharisee here, not me.
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Yes they did, Because like you they ASSumed God promise to them was salvic in nature, when it was not. This they were already saved because of that promise, all they needed was to be saved by rome.

They did not need a suffering servant to save them from sin, Because they though they were by Gods promises to them as a nation.
 
crossnote said:
Again...

Zechariah 14:1-5
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
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What is this? And attempt to respond my last question?
 
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