Gods paradoxical deeper truths.

[Watchman22]

What is a paradox?

A paradox embraces two things, mutually contradictory, exclusive of one another, yet concomitant. Existing at the same time, merged together, both true, yet entirely opposite. The deeper truths of God are all paradoxes.

The greatest paradox we have to deal with coming out of the gate.
That is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit, are all one , and yet separate at all times , all the time.

That just doesn't fit into our framework of understanding as human beings. Yet to be a Christian, we must accept this going out the gate.

Can anyone show some other paradoxical truths?

 

[Watchman22]

What is a paradox?

A paradox embraces two things, mutually contradictory, exclusive of one another, yet concomitant. Existing at the same time, merged together, both true, yet entirely opposite. The deeper truths of God are all paradoxes.

The greatest paradox we have to deal with coming out of the gate.
That is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit, are all one , and yet separate at all times , all the time.

That just doesn't fit into our framework of understanding as human beings. Yet to be a Christian, we must accept this going out the gate.

Can anyone show some other paradoxical truths?

Paradox 3,
Jesus was 100% God, and 100% man at all times, in all respects, in every way.

This is a paradox, and Christianity requires us to also accept this going out the gate.

Any others?

 

[Watchman22]

Paradox 3,
Jesus was 100% God, and 100% man at all times, in all respects, in every way.

This is a paradox, and Christianity requires us to also accept this going out the gate.

Any others?

There are laws in the spiritual world as operational as the natural.

 

[Delvianna]

Paradox 3,
Jesus was 100% God, and 100% man at all times, in all respects, in every way.

This is a paradox, and Christianity requires us to also accept this going out the gate.

Any others?

Depends on how you define "100% God" or "100% man". People will have different ideas on what that means.

For instance, If you define it as Christ was 100% God in title, I agree. But if you define it as, Christ had all the powers of that he would have in his God-hood form, I disagree. Because there's instances of Christ praying to the Father for things. So I would argue he was 100% man in the aspect that the Holy Spirit dwelled within Christ as He dwells within us now but had reliance on the Father 100% just like we do.

So honestly, I don't consider it a paradox.

 

[Watchman22]

Depends on how you define "100% God" or "100% man". People will have different ideas on what that means.

For instance, If you define it as Christ was 100% God in title, I agree. But if you define it as, Christ had all the powers of that he would have in his God-hood form, I disagree. Because there's instances of Christ praying to the Father for things. So I would argue he was 100% man in the aspect that the Holy Spirit dwelled within Christ as He dwells within us now but had reliance on the Father 100% just like we do.

So honestly, I don't consider it a paradox.

I think Jesus absolutely had all the power of the God head. His petitions to the Father only mean He considered the will of the Father the priority.

Knowing that Jesus being 100% God and 100% man at all times doesn't fit into our framework of understanding. So that's my best guess at your point.

He placed Himself in a state of yielding to many other people. That would be a mistake to think it was because he couldn't call on anything He desired at anytime.

So I guess we'll have to disagree on this one.

 

[Delvianna]

How can Christ have all the power of God without the need of the Father when you have this verse:

But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. - Hebrews 2:9

What part is being "lower than angels"? If he lowered His status, He lowered His abilities and power. Otherwise you have to do a bunch of mental gymnastics to get around the status change of being lower than Angels.

 

[OMC]

I think Jesus absolutely had all the power of the God head. His petitions to the Father only mean He considered the will of the Father the priority.

Knowing that Jesus being 100% God and 100% man at all times doesn't fit into our framework of understanding. So that's my best guess at your point.

He placed Himself in a state of yielding to many other people. That would be a mistake to think it was because he couldn't call on anything He desired at anytime.

Your instinct here is exactly where Scripture itself leads: Jesus never lacked divine power, but He willingly operated within the Father’s will as the perfect God‑Man. The New Testament consistently teaches two truths at once — that Christ is fully God (John 1:1; Colossians 2:9) and fully man (John 1:14; Hebrews 2:14). When He prays or petitions the Father, it is not because He is weak or unable, but because He is the Son who “came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me” (John 6:38). His miracles show He had full divine authority at all times, yet His submission shows He chose to live as the perfect obedient Son. Philippians 2:6–8 explains this beautifully: though He existed in the form of God, He “emptied Himself” not by losing deity, but by taking the form of a servant and yielding His rights. So you’re right — it would be a mistake to think Jesus lacked the ability to act; Scripture teaches He restrained Himself in perfect obedience. His petitions reveal His alignment with the Father’s will, not any deficiency in His divine nature.

 

[Watchman22]

How can Christ have all the power of God without the need of the Father when you have this verse:


What part is being "lower than angels"? If he lowered His status, He lowered His abilities and power. Otherwise you have to do a bunch of mental gymnastics to get around the status change of being lower than Angels.

Where do you stand on the trinity delvianna? I'm trying to understand your point of view better.

 

[Inquisitor]

Your instinct here is exactly where Scripture itself leads: Jesus never lacked divine power, but He willingly operated within the Father’s will as the perfect God‑Man. The New Testament consistently teaches two truths at once — that Christ is fully God (John 1:1; Colossians 2:9) and fully man (John 1:14; Hebrews 2:14). When He prays or petitions the Father, it is not because He is weak or unable, but because He is the Son who “came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me” (John 6:38). His miracles show He had full divine authority at all times, yet His submission shows He chose to live as the perfect obedient Son. Philippians 2:6–8 explains this beautifully: though He existed in the form of God, He “emptied Himself” not by losing deity, but by taking the form of a servant and yielding His rights. So you’re right — it would be a mistake to think Jesus lacked the ability to act; Scripture teaches He restrained Himself in perfect obedience. His petitions reveal His alignment with the Father’s will, not any deficiency in His divine nature.

Jesus became a man.

Jesus in the form of a man could not be in all places at once.

Jesus did not know all things.

Jesus needed sleep and food.

Jesus no longer has His glory.

Jesus was mortal and eventually was murdered by His enemies.

Jesus literally emptied Himself of His divine attributes to become one of us.

Jesus was actually the messiah in O.T prophecy.

 

[Churchgoer]

God is absolutely sovereign, yet man are responsible for his choices. God will not hold the sinners as sinless.

 

[OMC]

Jesus became a man.

Jesus in the form of a man could not be in all places at once.

Jesus did not know all things.

Jesus needed sleep and food.

Jesus no longer has His glory.

Jesus was mortal and eventually was murdered by His enemies.

Jesus literally emptied Himself of His divine attributes to become one of us.

Jesus was actually the messiah in O.T prophecy

Brother, every one of the statements you listed touches something true about Christ’s incarnation — but several of them need correction, because Scripture is extremely precise about what Jesus laid aside and what He did NOT lay aside when He became man.

 

[PaulThomson]

What is a paradox?

A paradox embraces two things, mutually contradictory, exclusive of one another, yet concomitant. Existing at the same time, merged together, both true, yet entirely opposite. The deeper truths of God are all paradoxes.

The greatest paradox we have to deal with coming out of the gate.
That is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit, are all one , and yet separate at all times , all the time.

That just doesn't fit into our framework of understanding as human beings. Yet to be a Christian, we must accept this going out the gate.

Can anyone show some other paradoxical truths?

I don’t see any paradox in God/the Godhead being one Entity and yet consisting of three Persons. Any governing body has the same property.

 

[PaulThomson]

Paradox 3,
Jesus was 100% God, and 100% man at all times, in all respects, in every way.

This is a paradox, and Christianity requires us to also accept this going out the gate.

Any others?

Isn’t that just the same as saying Jesus was truly divine and truly human, which isn’t paradoxical. A person can be truly African and become truly Scandinavian as well.

 

[PaulThomson]

Brother, every one of the statements you listed touches something true about Christ’s incarnation — but several of them need correction, because Scripture is extremely precise about what Jesus laid aside and what He did NOT lay aside when He became man.

Maybe you could construct from scripture and post that precise list of what our Lord laid aside and what He did not when He became a man.

 

[Lovette]

Can anyone show some other paradoxical truths?

The Beatitudes, eight blessings for the down trodden, an upside down kingdom.

 

[OMC]

Maybe you could construct from scripture and post that precise list of what our Lord laid aside and what He did not when He became a man.

Scripture shows that the Son did not “empty Himself” by subtracting deity, but by adding humanity and voluntarily veiling what was rightfully His. Philippians 2:6–8 is the controlling text: He was “in the form of God” and “equal with God,” yet He “emptied Himself” by taking the form of a servant. Thus, what He laid aside was not divine attributes but divine privilege, visible glory, and the independent exercise of His rights. He laid aside the outward display of His glory (John 1:14), accepted the lowliness of human weakness (Hebrews 2:14), and submitted His use of divine power to the Father’s will (John 5:19). Yet He did not lay aside deity (Colossians 2:9), omniscience (John 16:30), omnipresence (John 3:13), omnipotence (Hebrews 1:3), or equality with the Father (Philippians 2:6). His divine glory remained His own (John 17:5), though veiled; His divine nature remained immortal (1 Timothy 6:16), though His human nature truly died. In short, Christ laid aside status, privilege, and manifest glory, but He did not lay aside any attribute of God. He humbled Himself not by losing anything essential, but by taking our nature and walking in perfect submission to the Father

 

[DavidLamb]

What is a paradox?

A paradox embraces two things, mutually contradictory, exclusive of one another, yet concomitant. Existing at the same time, merged together, both true, yet entirely opposite. The deeper truths of God are all paradoxes.

The greatest paradox we have to deal with coming out of the gate.
That is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit, are all one , and yet separate at all times , all the time.

That just doesn't fit into our framework of understanding as human beings. Yet to be a Christian, we must accept this going out the gate.

Can anyone show some other paradoxical truths?

Just a minor point, perhaps, but just in case it affects my understanding of your post, what does the phrase "going out the gate" mean? Obviously from the context you don't mean literally walking through a gateway. Apologies if I am the only ignorant one here who has never heard the phrase.

 

[Watchman22]

Just a minor point, perhaps, but just in case it affects my understanding of your post, what does the phrase "going out the gate" mean? Obviously from the context you don't mean literally walking through a gateway. Apologies if I am the only ignorant one here who has never heard the phrase.

From the beginning.

 

[DavidLamb]

From the beginning.

Thanks for explaining. Sorry for my ignorance.

 

[Watchman22]

What is a paradox?

A paradox embraces two things, mutually contradictory, exclusive of one another, yet concomitant. Existing at the same time, merged together, both true, yet entirely opposite. The deeper truths of God are all paradoxes.

The greatest paradox we have to deal with coming out of the gate.
That is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit, are all one , and yet separate at all times , all the time.

That just doesn't fit into our framework of understanding as human beings. Yet to be a Christian, we must accept this going out the gate.

Can anyone show some other paradoxical truths?

Here are some of the paradoxes Jesus taught.

1) you live by dying.

You can only understand the true meaning by looking into the Greek.

You are in a state of living and dying at the same time. Two opposite things happening at the same time.