God's PIPLESS JAM.

Cobus · Mar 4, 2013

Oh that is how I KEEP God's Word on my mind. If mine EYES see something I try to remember a verse that confirms God's Word. Like now.... Why do you love what you do.... YOU HUNGER FOR TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUSNESS... And God said... Blessed are the ones that hunger for righteousness, THEY SHALL BE FILLED...Mat 5.

Ariel82 · Mar 4, 2013

Cobus said:

where do you think our spirits would be if not in our bodies?

Ariel82 · Mar 4, 2013

one heart and one soul meant they agreed with each other, not that they only possessed one heart or one soul among the thousands.

The same with the other verses you quoted about God and Jesus. Jesus was NOT praying that His disciples would become GOD like HE is GOD, but that they would be of like mind and heart in agreement with GOD.

its called a figure of speech, symbolism. the Bible uses it often.

In Heaven The Father, the WORD and the Spirit ARE one. on earth the blood, the water and the Spirit Agree as one.

1 John 5

Jesus did NOT pray that His disciples spirits would be taken out of this world and replaced with His.

John 17

mark54 · Mar 4, 2013

I think I understand Cobus' Gospel now

A person must reach sinless perfection in the flesh before the Holy Spirit will enter their life
As sin is transgression of the law, a person must reach a stage of perfectly upholding the law, without the Spirit's help in doing so, they must achieve this in their own strength, as the Spirit cannot enter their life until this has happened
Once a person has of themselvers achieved sinless perfection in the flesh/they have learnt to perfectly uphold the law, then their own Spirit leaves them and the Holy Spirit enters their life
As they are now perfect in the flesh/have reached glorification and are solely possessed in their body by the Holy Spirit, they are perfect as Jesus was/is perfect, and they are as yielded to God as Jesus was when he waked this earth. At this point, not before they are saved, and may inherit eternal life

I am not sure how the above can be reconciled to Paul's Gospel, or any of the other Apostles

Ariel82 · Mar 4, 2013

mark54 said:

you have half of it right. i deleted the part he most likely would disagree with you about. so far he thinks the Holy Spirit is guiding him from the outside to perfection and eventually when God decides he is worthy his spirit will be removed and the Holy Spirit will take over his body and then with the Holy Spirit in full control (since there is no room for his spirit) he will be perfect and sinless.

with power, don't forget the power part.

mark54 · Mar 4, 2013

Ariel82 said:

OK
Thanks for that, but he must be under the law, as sin is transgression of the law, and he believes all sin must cease, and he must attain perfection in the flesh before he can be saved/inherit eternal life

Cobus · Mar 4, 2013

Mark you ALMOST have it, ALMOST...
It is NOT by our own strength.... it is by HIS LEAD that we learn to DO AS HE WANTS US TO DO!.. EVEN JESUS learned through OBEDIENCE,... We go to the Jesus becasue we LEARNED from the FATHER... Jesus said if the FATHER does not DRAW us we CANNOT God to HIm.... So it is NOT of our strength but by HIS DRAW, His TEACHING that ew get to the sinless part. But NOT the perfection YET!!!

Get this now... PLEASE... if you are sinless (No more sinning) you are NOT PERFECT YET!!!!! A SAINT is not PERFECT, even if HE stopped sinning. He is a saint because HE STOPPED sinning. But he needs to be perfected... What perfects a person as God is perfect, IS GOD IN THAT PERSON.... A Saint has NOT recieved the Holy Spirit IN HIM YET, He only obeyed the teaching of the Holy Spirit, to become a saint.... Samaria, after they believed Philip is perfect example of how ALL evil was removed, and they were ALL in ONE soul... ONe mnd and ONe goal... ANd here is the goal... THe Apostles came and they ALL RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT.. AND HE FELL ON THEM FILLING THEM ALL.... WITH ONE SPIRIT... To form ONE Body... A HOLY GOD-PLEASING PERFECT BODY. God's HOLY CHURCH.. without SPOT OR WRINKLE... PERFECT!

It is the HOLY SPIRIT God puts in us AFTER we were lead to be saints, that perfects us. ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS PERFECT... ONLY ONE SPIRIT CANNOT SIN... GOD's! THAT is why if HE wants me to not sin and be perfect, HE HAS TO PUT HIS SPIRIT IN ME.

What happens to MY SPIRIT? (God says... HE WILL CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. and HE WILL PIT US IN CHRIST... ACTUALLY HE SAID HIDE US IN CHRIST... So there is the PERFECT answer from God's Word. AND PAUL WROTE THIS... Romans 8. The NEW creature in Christ... The HIDE IN GOD WITH CHRIST... The perfecting of the Saints... Matthew wrote.. Be perfect.... Mark wrote....For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

We lose our lives if we follow the TEACHING and DRAW of FATHER with our crosses..... And then we GAIN that life God wants us to live ONCE WE ARE DONE CRUCIFYING THE OLD MAN!

And so I can continue and show you ALL the apostles taught waht I teach, God TEACHES what I teach, I teach what I learn from God!
I did not write the Bible, I only teach what I read there!

Cobus · Mar 4, 2013

Ariel I do not think where our spirit s go I KNOW because God said where they go.... God SAID where our Spirits will be.... IN GOD WITH CHRIST. SEPERATED FROM THE WORLD.... PUT APART FROM THE WORLD IN PERFECT HOLINESS...

Ariel, let me ask you this... Where is the kingdom of God's Children.... They are in this world but not from it... If this was God's kingdom HIS children would have fought for it... But I ask you again.... WHERE IS CHRIST RIGHT NOW?

Ariel where is Christ right now? and is there SIN IN HIM?

mark54 · Mar 4, 2013

Cobus said:

Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.Acts 8:16

The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.Acts 10:44

As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.Acts 11:14

When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.Acts 19:5

When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.Acts 8:16-18

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit(Acts2:38)

Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law(sin is the transgression of the law), or because you believe what you heard? (Gal3:5)

Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law(sin is transgression of the law), or by believing what you heard? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
Gal3:3

All who rely on observing the law(sin is transgression of the law) are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]The law is not based on faith; on the contrary,
Gal3:10-12

Cobus · Mar 4, 2013

I do not have to even know the LAW, let alone try to uphold it, I FOLLOW WHAT I HEAR FROM GOD IN FAITH.... I DO NOT OBSERVE THE LAW, I observe the TEACHING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS HE LEADS ME IN TRTUH!

Nothing to do with the LAW, but with the TEACHING and the LEADING of GOD! Did GOD not say HE WILL LEAD US AND TEACH US IN TRUTH TO SALVATION... LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL. That is all.

mark54 · Mar 4, 2013

Cobus said:

I do not have to even know the LAW, let alone try to uphold it, I FOLLOW WHAT I HEAR FROM GOD IN FAITH.... I DO NOT OBSERVE THE LAW, I observe the TEACHING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS HE LEADS ME IN TRTUH!

Nothing to do with the LAW, but with the TEACHING and the LEADING of GOD! Did GOD not say HE WILL LEAD US AND TEACH US IN TRUTH TO SALVATION... LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL. That is all.

Sin is transgression of the law 1John3:4

Ariel82 · Mar 4, 2013

Cobus said:

Your spirit does not leave your body for long without death of the body.

the verse is that they are IN this world but not OF it.

When God's Holy Spirit is IN someone it does NOT mean that their spirit flees to Heaven to be with God and is replaced by Jesus' spirit.

It means that God has allowed the person to be BORN AGAIN. not a second Jesus, but another NEW creation IN Christ.

Jesus is the vine, we are the branches. the branches do not become the vine, but the vine allows the branches to be useful and help bear fruit that glorifies God. We do not become Jesus, we do not become God, we remain ourselves washed clean by the blood of the Lamb and lead by His Spirit, NOT replaced by a spirit.

what you say you desire is demonic possession, where your soul flees your body and another spirit takes over. it is NOT what the Bible teachs.

The Bible teaches that the HOLY SPIRIT chastens and disciplines God's children until they bear the fruit of righteousness.

Cobus · Mar 4, 2013

Ariel where is CHRIST right now? Why do you not answer?.... WHERE IS CHRIST RIGHT NOW?

Cobus · Mar 4, 2013

mark54 said:

And who reprove us of this sin in us? The HOLY SPIRIT. How? By the TRUTH in the WORD OF GOD... IN OUR HEARTS HE REPROVE, and not only does HE REPROVE HE ALSO SHOW A WAY OUT! And so SIN BY SIN He will LEAD OUT, and I will FOLLOW out, until there IS NOT MORE WAY OUT... WE REACHED SAINTSHIP... What Ariel refers to as righteousness... NO SIN.

Ariel82 · Mar 4, 2013

Cobus said:

because your conclusion that since Jesus is IN HEAVEN right now, that to be IN Christ means that the spirits of believers are IN Heaven too, while their bodies are being controled by what you think is the Holy Spirit. its not true.

you ignore and twist so many scriptures to hold to such a false belief.

Paul was still in HIS BODY, he refers to it as his "tent" in the following and speaks of leaving it upon his death/decease:

2 Peter 1

why do I even bother?

on the off hope that you will repent and that Loveme is right, your misunderstanding and twisting of scripture is because English is not your first language?

some days I just wonder if I'm nothing but a naive fool.

Hey if you want to play around with angels of light, who am I to stop you?

I'll leave you in God's hands, bye.

Cobus · Mar 4, 2013

Now look how you even misunderstand me... Where do you come to MY CONCLUTION IS THAT JESUS IS IN HEAVEN? I asked you WHERE SI CHRIST RIGHT NOW... CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER ME?

Please do bother, because I want to show you something that you already know but REFUSE to believe....

I ask you ... PLEASE Ariel, I love you and I REALLY want to share this with you.... Answer me where IS CHRIST RIGHT NOW!!!

cfultz3 · Mar 4, 2013

Hi Cobs,

I am sure it was missed. But, I was curious as to which difinition you were applying? Thanks, Chris

cfultz3 said:

Cobus · Mar 5, 2013

Sorry Chris but I only have ONE GOAL in perfection, it is the ONE GOD CALLS ME TOO!!!
Chris God has to do ALL the perfection there is available for me. If it is the one of Love or the one of LAW, God knows actually they are ALL the same....

It is to live a life PERFCTLY in God's WILL. Whatever that may be, If God recreates a person to LIVE A LIFE GLORIFYING CHRIST JESUS, that person is PERFECT!

I have realy studied the Word of God, and ALL the Word teaches to the people that will be saved is.... GOD IS FAITHFUL, and HIS WILL WILL BE DONE HERE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. And that is a PERFECT WILL for PERFECT CHILDREN OF GOD!

It is hard to believe especially looking at the "christians" but looking at Jesus, it is actually quit EASY, because it is not your doing it is HIS. Abd he said His yoke is soft, and His burden light... God said His commandments is not streniuos, people say they are impossible....

Chris, thanks man, for askng SORRY I only reply now. All I know is I have HOPE in Christ Jesus to do as HE will with me. Whatever that may be, I TRUST HIM.

RickShafer · Mar 5, 2013

Cobus said:

The Gospel of God is like a pot of JAM

I will be bottling my yearly KORRELFONFYT this afternoon…. Korrelkonfyt is a jam that is cooked with an equil amount of figs and grapes together with suger to make the BEST jam ever….

I used Katoba grapes this year. Katoba is a grape that is called glippertjies, which means something like slipping grapes…. They litteraly SLIP out the shell when you squeeze them. They are very tasty in jams but their disadvantage is the amount of hard big pips they have.

So I cooked a BIG pot of about 30 liters, just about 6 gallons of this jam. So you can imagine the amount of pips I had to remove to presect a PIPLESS pot of jam…..

I see the jampot as God’s salvation. The figs are ok and they need only to be peeled and washed then they can be added to the pot for cooking… the grapes has to be also INDIVIDUALLY picked to be added, however they need to be picked, washed and squeezed out then they are also added to the pot.. WITH the pips still inside. If you squash them to get the pips out, as I did last year your jam is to watery, not thich enough. So you have to cook the meat, carrying the pips and the skins together in the pot t obtain a nice thick jam.

Once the jam is cooked all the pips are cooked loose and they float to the top. There you can pick them out and remove them from the cooked jam. Some, although VERY little would be cooked in the flesh still surrounded by a nice sticky sweet grape meat. You onlu need to squeeze the cooked meat and the pip will come loose.

God’s pot will HAVE NOT A SINGLE PIP IN IT… You see the pips are like sin in the building blocks of God’s Church… God will have ALL the pips removed before God adds the JAM to HIS POT…. God will not allow a single pip, no matter what size or from what grape it came from into HIS POT…

If God says MY POT OF JAM HAS NO PIPS… OR … GOD’S PIPLESS JAM. You can take it to the bank, There will be no pips in his jam! And God only sells PIPLESS JAM!

Sounds good Cobus......
It is nice to see how the Holy Spirit is speaking to you through this natural process of making jams.
That's how you know you are in contact with Him, while your going through your everyday life He shows you things
that remind you of some aspect of Him.
Isn't God(Jesus) the best?
I'd take Him over jam anytime,.........but if you want to send me a jar.......that would be good too.
- - - - - C'mon!!! (I just ministered to you!!!) - (Just kidding)

cfultz3 · Mar 5, 2013

Cobus said:

Sorry Chris but I only have ONE GOAL in perfection, it is the ONE GOD CALLS ME TOO!!!
Chris God has to do ALL the perfection there is available for me. If it is the one of Love or the one of LAW, God knows actually they are ALL the same....

It is to live a life PERFCTLY in God's WILL. Whatever that may be, If God recreates a person to LIVE A LIFE GLORIFYING CHRIST JESUS, that person is PERFECT!

I have realy studied the Word of God, and ALL the Word teaches to the people that will be saved is.... GOD IS FAITHFUL, and HIS WILL WILL BE DONE HERE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. And that is a PERFECT WILL for PERFECT CHILDREN OF GOD!

It is hard to believe especially looking at the "christians" but looking at Jesus, it is actually quit EASY, because it is not your doing it is HIS. Abd he said His yoke is soft, and His burden light... God said His commandments is not streniuos, people say they are impossible....

Chris, thanks man, for askng SORRY I only reply now. All I know is I have HOPE in Christ Jesus to do as HE will with me. Whatever that may be, I TRUST HIM.

This sounds like someone who is trying his best to be his best for his God, just as Jesus walked pleasingly to His Father. Keep trusting in Christ, you cannot go wrong with that. Thanks for replying.

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