GOD'S WORD vs. man's opinion like GWHs.

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Ouch said:
Do I need to remind you.

Being baptized is a commandment that WE have to do.

Bing filled with HIS spirit is something JESUS has to do.

GODS word 0.

GWH'S oppinion 1.

Or do you need more time?

Lets move on to the second question.

Prove being filled with the Holy Ghost fills us with love.

I can show you 4 cases where people who were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues.

Acts 2, 10, 19 and I can't show you where Paul was but we know he did.

Acts 8, I can't show you were they spoke in tongues but I can show you that Phillip knew they didn't get it and sent for John and Peter for them to come and pray to get it.

Can you show me where someone was filled with the Holy Ghost and was filled with love instead of speak in tongues.

Prove being filled with the Holy Ghost fills us with love.
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We were almost caught in proverbial ping-pong, but you said one thing that might move the discussion forward: "show me".

"Show me" is an improvement on "prove", because nothing can be proved; all we can do is show (2Cor. 5:7).

Thus, I will show readers of this thread one more time evidence that Spirit-filling is now and eternally manifested by divine love:

John 13:35, Romans 5:5, Galatians 5:6, Ephesians 3:16-19, 1 Corinthians 13:8-13, etc.
 
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Ouch said:
Do I need to remind you.

Being baptized is a commandment that WE have to do.

Bing filled with HIS spirit is something JESUS has to do.

GODS word 0.

GWH'S oppinion 1.

Or do you need more time?

Lets move on to the second question.

Prove being filled with the Holy Ghost fills us with love.

I can show you 4 cases where people who were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues.

Acts 2, 10, 19 and I can't show you where Paul was but we know he did.

Acts 8, I can't show you were they spoke in tongues but I can show you that Phillip knew they didn't get it and sent for John and Peter for them to come and pray to get it.

Can you show me where someone was filled with the Holy Ghost and was filled with love instead of speak in tongues.

Prove being filled with the Holy Ghost fills us with love.
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Why do you say love is not a gift of the Holy Ghost? God first loves, which is why he gives the other gifts that follow.
You priortize this 'speaking in tongues', a gift which demonstratably not many beleivers know they have, but you seem to nully the one commandment that Jesus Christ gives the church: To love each other.
 
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Ouch said:
Thank you are you answering GWH's questions?
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I cannot speak for you, or anyone else. I can only trust Go Father of risen Son Jesus to lead, as I am in process learning new daily. Learning Luke 21:14-15 to stand in Col 1 :21-23, John 19:30, God simply, loves us all as in 1 Cor 13:4-7. Me forsaking any righteousness of my own. I have righteousness, and can only share what is given me in love and mercy to all and not argue over what anyone else sees or not sees. thanks as we grow daily in this love and mercy given us first.
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us. I see that now, I have no righteousness of my own ever, thanks
Love from God to us all, to be willing to hear and share in care to all
 
Ceph said:
Why do you say love is not a gift of the Holy Ghost? God first loves, which is why he gives the other gifts that follow.
You priortize this 'speaking in tongues', a gift which demonstratably not many beleivers know they have, but you seem to nully the one commandment that Jesus Christ gives the church: To love each other.
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My apologies, love is still something we must practice ourselves.
 
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GWH said:
We were almost caught in proverbial ping-pong, but you said one thing that might move the discussion forward: "show me".

"Show me" is an improvement on "prove", because nothing can be proved; all we can do is show (2Cor. 5:7).

Thus, I will show readers of this thread one more time evidence that Spirit-filling is now and eternally manifested by divine love:

John 13:35, Romans 5:5, Galatians 5:6, Ephesians 3:16-19, 1 Corinthians 13:8-13, etc.
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2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

As you can tell it has to be in HIS word more than once to be true, below is 3 times I can show you 2 more.

So your proof is any verse with the word love in it?

I sure do agree we are to love one and the other but none of them say when you are filled with the Holy Ghost you are filled with love.

If you are making a statement that these verse's are no longer gospel, then you need to show where it changed from speaking in tongues to love as you claim.

GOD'S WORD.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45-46
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

SINCE YOUR trying to prove these WRONG you need to show me somewhere where someone if filled with the Holy Ghost and instead of speaking in tongues they are filled with love.

Example GWH's VIEW.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and WAS FILLED WITH LOVE.

Acts 10:45-46
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they WERE FILLED WITH LOVE, Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they WERE FILLED WITH LOVE.
 
Ceph said:
Why do you say love is not a gift of the Holy Ghost? God first loves, which is why he gives the other gifts that follow.
You priortize this 'speaking in tongues', a gift which demonstratably not many beleivers know they have, but you seem to nully the one commandment that Jesus Christ gives the church: To love each other.
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I think you have my words mixed up, I'M SORRY.

Being filled with the Holy Ghost is a part of being reborn.

We should love one and the other without the Holy Ghost like JESUS did, but after we get the Holy Ghost we should get more than just love.

Paul said when you are filled with the Holy Ghost these things will happen,
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

JESUS says this will happen when you are filled.
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


Paul explains what happens to us after we are filled.

Ephesians 4:11-13
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
 
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Ouch said:
2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

As you can tell it has to be in HIS word more than once to be true, below is 3 times I can show you 2 more.

So your proof is any verse with the word love in it?

I sure do agree we are to love one and the other but none of them say when you are filled with the Holy Ghost you are filled with love.

If you are making a statement that these verse's are no longer gospel, then you need to show where it changed from speaking in tongues to love as you claim.

GOD'S WORD.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45-46
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

SINCE YOUR trying to prove these WRONG you need to show me somewhere where someone if filled with the Holy Ghost and instead of speaking in tongues they are filled with love.

Example GWH's VIEW.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and WAS FILLED WITH LOVE.

Acts 10:45-46
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they WERE FILLED WITH LOVE, Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they WERE FILLED WITH LOVE.
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By the same token, per YOUR view/opinion:

John 13:35, By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you babble in tongues.

Romans 5:5, Hope does not put us to shame, because speaking in tongues has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

Galatians 5:6, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts
is faith expressing itself through speaking in tongues.

Ephesians 3:16-19, I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in speaking in tongues,
may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the gift of tongues,
and to know this babbling that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

1 Corinthians 13:8-13, Speaking in tongues never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there is love,
it will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in partf and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and SIT,
but the greatest of these is SIT.
 
GWH said:
By the same token, per YOUR view/opinion:

John 13:35, By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you babble in tongues.

Romans 5:5, Hope does not put us to shame, because speaking in tongues has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

Galatians 5:6, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts
is faith expressing itself through speaking in tongues.

Ephesians 3:16-19, I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in speaking in tongues,
may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the gift of tongues,
and to know this babbling that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

1 Corinthians 13:8-13, Speaking in tongues never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there is love,
it will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in partf and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and SIT,
but the greatest of these is SIT.
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I was just sharing what you need to produce in HIS word or something like it???

Thank you for HIS word, IT IS ALL GOOD.

If being filled with the spirit is not speaking in tongues and replace with love PROVE IT.

Prove being filled with the Holy Ghost fills us with love.
 
Ouch said:
I was just sharing what you need to produce in HIS word or something like it???

Thank you for HIS word, IT IS ALL GOOD.

If being filled with the spirit is not speaking in tongues and replace with love PROVE IT.

Prove being filled with the Holy Ghost fills us with love.
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Prove it isn't/doesn't.
 
Ouch said:
3. Being filled with the Spirit and speaking in tongues was for that time and was perverted by some into a faux gift of mere babbling.
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I was with you up until this statement. We part ways on that.

I was interested in tongues and have started threads about it before. A couple well intentioned folks said they could teach me how, but that didn't make sense to me. Scripture says it is the Holy Spirit praying for us because we don't know how to pray right. It's also in scripture that HS prays to God for us and on our behalf. So I thought, how in the world could I speak for the HS? I can't that would be fake, and no one could teach me either because who can put words in the HS mouth? No one.

So I kept praying about it on and off and one day I was sitting at my computer and not even thinking about tongues and was about to pray a different prayer. When I opened my mouth to speak, The HS hit me hard and I began speaking but the words were in tongues! I knew this had to be the HS! So I knew enough to stand down and listen and not say anything until He is finished!

Presently He finished and then, I sent up my feeble prayer, lol.

So that's how Speaking in Tongues happened to me and I was Baptized in the HS. So it isn't just for that time or just the Apostles. It is for everyone. I have woke up before (several times in fact) speaking in tongues, and I just let Him finish!

I have learned over time that I can initiate the Holy Spirit to pray in tongues for me. It doesn't work all the time so sometimes I am shutting up and sometimes He takes off talking in Tongues.

So it is real and you are wrong on this one point friend.

That's what's good about experience. I'm not at the mercy of the one with Doctrine.

Ask the HS to pray in Tongues on your behalf. Keep asking until it happens.
 
GWH said:
Prove it isn't/doesn't.
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What do you think of what JESUS says in Mark?

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


What do you think of what Peter says in Acts just after JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost?

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
 
Edward429451 said:
I was with you up until this statement. We part ways on that.

I was interested in tongues and have started threads about it before. A couple well intentioned folks said they could teach me how, but that didn't make sense to me. Scripture says it is the Holy Spirit praying for us because we don't know how to pray right. It's also in scripture that HS prays to God for us and on our behalf. So I thought, how in the world could I speak for the HS? I can't that would be fake, and no one could teach me either because who can put words in the HS mouth? No one.

So I kept praying about it on and off and one day I was sitting at my computer and not even thinking about tongues and was about to pray a different prayer. When I opened my mouth to speak, The HS hit me hard and I began speaking but the words were in tongues! I knew this had to be the HS! So I knew enough to stand down and listen and not say anything until He is finished!

Presently He finished and then, I sent up my feeble prayer, lol.

So that's how Speaking in Tongues happened to me and I was Baptized in the HS. So it isn't just for that time or just the Apostles. It is for everyone. I have woke up before (several times in fact) speaking in tongues, and I just let Him finish!

I have learned over time that I can initiate the Holy Spirit to pray in tongues for me. It doesn't work all the time so sometimes I am shutting up and sometimes He takes off talking in Tongues.

So it is real and you are wrong on this one point friend.

That's what's good about experience. I'm not at the mercy of the one with Doctrine.

Ask the HS to pray in Tongues on your behalf. Keep asking until it happens.
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Who said this?

3. Being filled with the Spirit and speaking in tongues was for that time and was perverted by some into a faux gift of mere babbling.
 
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Edward429451 said:
I was with you up until this statement. We part ways on that.

I was interested in tongues and have started threads about it before. A couple well intentioned folks said they could teach me how, but that didn't make sense to me. Scripture says it is the Holy Spirit praying for us because we don't know how to pray right. It's also in scripture that HS prays to God for us and on our behalf. So I thought, how in the world could I speak for the HS? I can't that would be fake, and no one could teach me either because who can put words in the HS mouth? No one.

So I kept praying about it on and off and one day I was sitting at my computer and not even thinking about tongues and was about to pray a different prayer. When I opened my mouth to speak, The HS hit me hard and I began speaking but the words were in tongues! I knew this had to be the HS! So I knew enough to stand down and listen and not say anything until He is finished!

Presently He finished and then, I sent up my feeble prayer, lol.

So that's how Speaking in Tongues happened to me and I was Baptized in the HS. So it isn't just for that time or just the Apostles. It is for everyone. I have woke up before (several times in fact) speaking in tongues, and I just let Him finish!

I have learned over time that I can initiate the Holy Spirit to pray in tongues for me. It doesn't work all the time so sometimes I am shutting up and sometimes He takes off talking in Tongues.

So it is real and you are wrong on this one point friend.

That's what's good about experience. I'm not at the mercy of the one with Doctrine.

Ask the HS to pray in Tongues on your behalf. Keep asking until it happens.
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You can disregard GW, but anyone can babble, so there is no need to ask the HS to help you do it.
Perhaps you need to ask for help praying in plain language, like Jesus and Paul did, beginning with the Lord's prayers.
 
Ouch said:
Who said this?

3. Being filled with the Spirit and speaking in tongues was for that time and was perverted by some into a faux gift of mere babbling.
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You mean you posted a quote from someone? Uh if I had to guess, I'd say...the Cessasationist's? (or whatever they call them?)
 
Edward429451 said:
You mean you posted a quote from someone? Uh if I had to guess, I'd say...the Cessasationist's? (or whatever they call them?)
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Thank you,

Yep, someone with a lot of pride and thinks his opinion trump's GOD'S word.

Thus the title,
GOD'S WORD vs. man's opinion like GWHs.
 
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Edward429451 said:
You mean you posted a quote from someone? Uh if I had to guess, I'd say...the Cessasationist's? (or whatever they call them?)
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As you can tell by the way he answered you, it's real hard to get him to back up what comes out of his mouth. I have 4 questions for him which are listed on the first page it takes a lot of time.

I gave up with the first one, moved on to the second.

GOD'S word "0"
His opinion "1"
 
GWH said:
You can disregard GW, but anyone can babble, so there is no need to ask the HS to help you do it.
Perhaps you need to ask for help praying in plain language, like Jesus and Paul did, beginning with the Lord's prayers.
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But of course! Actually I had already prayed it many times and I have been healed by the Lord too in one way.

The Apostles prayed scripture many times I hear. God loves that when we pray scripture to Him! I was dumb enough to ask the Lord one time why He quoted scripture to the devil when being tempted by the devil in the desert. He said, because He couldn't improve on it for the situation!

That was a good answer for me and made me feel like I asked a dumb question, lol.
 
GWH said:
You can disregard GW, but anyone can babble, so there is no need to ask the HS to help you do it.
Perhaps you need to ask for help praying in plain language, like Jesus and Paul did, beginning with the Lord's prayers.
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If you were ever filled you would not be saying that.
 
Ouch said:
Thank you,

Yep, someone with a lot of pride and thinks his opinion trump's GOD'S word.

Thus the title,
GOD'S WORD vs. man's opinion like GWHs.
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Yeah. To be honest I'm not comfortable with him posting his creed on other forum threads and promoting it like it's on par with God's own word or better.

Thank you for challenging him and exposing what is in his heart.


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Ouch said:
Thank you,

Yep, someone with a lot of pride and thinks his opinion trump's GOD'S word.

Thus the title,
GOD'S WORD vs. man's opinion like GWHs.
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Ouch said:
As you can tell by the way he answered you, it's real hard to get him to back up what comes out of his mouth. I have 4 questions for him which are listed on the first page it takes a lot of time.

I gave up with the first one, moved on to the second.

GOD'S word "0"
His opinion "1"
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1 Peter 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:.../KJV

You asked for the reason of His position and so now he needs to sleep on it before he gives you his answer? (I do that a lot!)

You see all of us are on the same side, on the narrow path...I like to call it the yellow brick road because the streets of heaven are said to be paved with Gold Bricks. So. Yellow brick road.

One direction leads to God and we all start in the same place, but all people do not connect with the Lord at the same time. When we are on the yellow brick road we begun walking and there are people behind us who have not been walking the path so we know more than they do so to speak. But others are way ahead of us!

And since we are all of the body of Christ, he might be a foot and you might be a hand. Can a foot understand a hand? Probably not! Can a hand understand a foot? Probably not! But that can't mean that we are not unified in Christ so we prolly shouldnt bicker about it. If he hears you and grows in his understanding, then, Praise the Lord! But no one can be expected to know something they were never taught, They are only wrong in that they have minor incorrect doctrine, but are right because we are all the body of Christ, one Spirit, one God, one people. Unified. It is possible!

He does ethically owe you an answer at this point. Scripturally.
 
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