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Ephesians 1
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
1. Hear the gospel
2. Trust/Believe the gospel
3. Sealed with the Spirit
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
1. Hear the gospel
2. Trust/Believe the gospel
3. Sealed with the Spirit
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Re read what he’s saying why would he agree to the gospel and the things Jesus sent forth by his apostles ? He’s arguing there’s a whole different gospel that Paul was secretly taught and the apostles weren’t preaching the same thing only Paul’s words can save us is the argument he wants you to first reject the gospel and the book of acts u til Paul is converted to the church and then he’s claiming paul then began a whole new gospel that saves people
So you don't know how to get rid of sins? Or get filled with the Holy Ghost???????????
Ephesians 1:13-14 SURE DON'T TELL YOU HOW!!!
Did you know Paul is speaking to the church he started in Ephesus, NOT THE UNSAVED??
Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
I think this may have been one of the first people who he spoke to in Ephesus?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
ONE FACT we do know is since he was speaking to that church the above was the foundation.
They Heard, trusted and was sealed.
How did they get sealed? THEY OBEYED what Paul told them to do!!
Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED???
Ephesians 1:13-14 SURE DON'T TELL YOU HOW!!!
Did you know Paul is speaking to the church he started in Ephesus, NOT THE UNSAVED??
Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
I think this may have been one of the first people who he spoke to in Ephesus?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
ONE FACT we do know is since he was speaking to that church the above was the foundation.
They Heard, trusted and was sealed.
How did they get sealed? THEY OBEYED what Paul told them to do!!
Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED???
Thank you Sir, I have been dealing with those who think Paul preached a different message for some time now on Facebook so called Christians sights. i get kicked off of them. I haven't been able to plant a seed on good soil yet, or that I know of. I ask what about 1 Cor chapter 14 which is about the the Holy Ghost and the gifts? Romans 6 about baptism, Acts 19 including verse 10 where he spent 2 years preaching to the Jews and Greeks. Acts 9:15 where JESUS tells Ananias that he want's Paul to preach to the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
ALL I GET is hard as rock hearts. I wouldn't be dealing with me much longer, one can only pant so many seeds.
ALL I GET is hard as rock hearts. I wouldn't be dealing with me much longer, one can only pant so many seeds.
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Yes it’s really a sad thing but also we were told it was coming
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4
Once a person starts believing fables as truth then when they hear the truth it sounds faulty . False doctrine is the thing that destroyed man in the ot and also ot does on the new
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
Some aren’t interested in hearing the doctrine so they try to convince people “ the gospel of Jesus isn’t the real gospel that saves anyone , there’s a different gospel of Paul alone he teaches a baptism that’s really no baptism needed , he doesn’t teach the kingdom of God he just only said “ Jesus died and rose now your all saved “
then in a discussion you say well the Bible says this but then they tell you why it’s wrong or you just don’t get it “if you think anyone needs to hear and obey the lord your crazy !” I have faith so I don’t need to do anything Jesus said will save me I have the other anti gospel gospel lol “ don’t believe or do anything jesus and the apostles said to do …..and then you’ll really be saved by the other gospel we preach of nothingness and no words of God involved just how Webster interprets grace …….
Its truly sad but also frustrating like showing colors to someone who is colorblind at times
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4
Once a person starts believing fables as truth then when they hear the truth it sounds faulty . False doctrine is the thing that destroyed man in the ot and also ot does on the new
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
Some aren’t interested in hearing the doctrine so they try to convince people “ the gospel of Jesus isn’t the real gospel that saves anyone , there’s a different gospel of Paul alone he teaches a baptism that’s really no baptism needed , he doesn’t teach the kingdom of God he just only said “ Jesus died and rose now your all saved “
then in a discussion you say well the Bible says this but then they tell you why it’s wrong or you just don’t get it “if you think anyone needs to hear and obey the lord your crazy !” I have faith so I don’t need to do anything Jesus said will save me I have the other anti gospel gospel lol “ don’t believe or do anything jesus and the apostles said to do …..and then you’ll really be saved by the other gospel we preach of nothingness and no words of God involved just how Webster interprets grace …….
Its truly sad but also frustrating like showing colors to someone who is colorblind at times
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It is sad. No idea how some of this stuff starts.
ONE MAN started the sinner's prayer and so many church's follow it.
I've had people tell me what questions . org said!! Or other men on the internet.
I know I'm short on my answers, but I don't like taking on two subjects because they get lost so I just try to POUND HOME how do we get rid of our sins???? And ask for scripture to back it up.
I just stick with it hopefully they will see.
I don't like to talk a lot as MOST of those who do have something to hide so they just talk.
I like to let JESUS do the talking. This is HIS SHOW NOT MINE.
Pride a terrible thing, why Satan was kicked out of Heaven.
His finest work KEEP THEM OUT OF THE WATER. NOTHING live without water.
So crazy GOD chose water but all makes sense.
GOD BLESS YOU, not because you agree with me, but you agree with HIS WORD.
ONE MAN started the sinner's prayer and so many church's follow it.
I've had people tell me what questions . org said!! Or other men on the internet.
I know I'm short on my answers, but I don't like taking on two subjects because they get lost so I just try to POUND HOME how do we get rid of our sins???? And ask for scripture to back it up.
I just stick with it hopefully they will see.
I don't like to talk a lot as MOST of those who do have something to hide so they just talk.
I like to let JESUS do the talking. This is HIS SHOW NOT MINE.
Pride a terrible thing, why Satan was kicked out of Heaven.
His finest work KEEP THEM OUT OF THE WATER. NOTHING live without water.
So crazy GOD chose water but all makes sense.
GOD BLESS YOU, not because you agree with me, but you agree with HIS WORD.
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Precious friend, @Ouch, it actually starts with God's Command In His Word in 2 Timothy 2:15 AV:
How to "Rightly Divide"?: here's a Bible Example: I have decided to follow Jesus?
If you have prayerfully and Carefully perused/reviewed this 'link' how Exactly can the differences be harmonized into "the same thing", eh?
Amen.
How to "Rightly Divide"?: here's a Bible Example: I have decided to follow Jesus?
If you have prayerfully and Carefully perused/reviewed this 'link' how Exactly can the differences be harmonized into "the same thing", eh?
Amen.
Amen
I think it’s important to know what the savior and his chosen witnesses and apostles said about salvation in his word
“and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
2 Timothy 3:15-17 KJV
I think it’s important to know what the savior and his chosen witnesses and apostles said about salvation in his word
“and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
2 Timothy 3:15-17 KJV
Notice he didn't say, "He that is not baptized shall be damned."[/QUOTE]
Yes absolutely I have said that maybe twenty times since I’ve been on this site.
you guys aren’t hearing me . I’ve never spoken about baptism as a way someone’s condemned ever. I’ve always just made the point of what it says baptism is for in the holy scriptures
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
Notice also we don’t have to do it in tbat order . We could receive the holt ghost just because we heard and believed the word of the gospel . And then we still need to get baptized for remission of sins because that’s the part of the doctrine that deals with it .
Receiving the Holy Ghost isn’t because we get baptized it’s because we believe the gospel
“And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
Acts 10:39-44 KJV
The next thing Peter commands is for them to be baptized in water in Jesus name.
“For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:46-48 KJV
So it’s not tbat we have to get baptized and then we’re allowed to receive the spirit we get baptized for this reason we believe this
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV
and so we get baptized for this reason by faith believing that
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, “
Receiving the Holy Ghost doesn’t remit our sins baptism into the name and body of Christ does because it’s only him who suffered and died for us.
Paul is telling us the process of baptism and what it means by faith why we got baptized into Christ Jesus and what it meant for us who believed the doctrine of baptism for remission of sins and partook
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death
death is the price for sin ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, ( baptized ) we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.
( remission of sin )
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ( because he’s addressing those who got baptized into Christ ) ye became the servants of righteousness.
For the wages of sin is death;( why Jesus had to die for remission ) but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-7, 17-18, 23 KJV
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; ( because you were baptized into Christ who died for your sins to remit them ) that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
But now we are delivered from the law, ( we died to it tbrough baptism into Christ death for sin ) that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
Romans 7:4-6 KJV
baptism is of faith we should t be telling people “ you’ll be lost if you don’t get baptized “ and we shouldn’t be telling people “ you don’t need to get baptized it’s not about remission of sins in Jesus name there’s another gospel and another baptism “
we should be sharing where baptism came from , what baptism is and what it means for us who partake. According to Gods word. Then people will themselves have faith knowing what baptism is for and why we do it and what it means and can decide whether to get baptized in his name based on belief
Yes absolutely I have said that maybe twenty times since I’ve been on this site.
you guys aren’t hearing me . I’ve never spoken about baptism as a way someone’s condemned ever. I’ve always just made the point of what it says baptism is for in the holy scriptures
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
Notice also we don’t have to do it in tbat order . We could receive the holt ghost just because we heard and believed the word of the gospel . And then we still need to get baptized for remission of sins because that’s the part of the doctrine that deals with it .
Receiving the Holy Ghost isn’t because we get baptized it’s because we believe the gospel
“And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
Acts 10:39-44 KJV
The next thing Peter commands is for them to be baptized in water in Jesus name.
“For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:46-48 KJV
So it’s not tbat we have to get baptized and then we’re allowed to receive the spirit we get baptized for this reason we believe this
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV
and so we get baptized for this reason by faith believing that
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, “
Receiving the Holy Ghost doesn’t remit our sins baptism into the name and body of Christ does because it’s only him who suffered and died for us.
Paul is telling us the process of baptism and what it means by faith why we got baptized into Christ Jesus and what it meant for us who believed the doctrine of baptism for remission of sins and partook
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death
death is the price for sin ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, ( baptized ) we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.
( remission of sin )
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ( because he’s addressing those who got baptized into Christ ) ye became the servants of righteousness.
For the wages of sin is death;( why Jesus had to die for remission ) but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-7, 17-18, 23 KJV
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; ( because you were baptized into Christ who died for your sins to remit them ) that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
But now we are delivered from the law, ( we died to it tbrough baptism into Christ death for sin ) that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
Romans 7:4-6 KJV
baptism is of faith we should t be telling people “ you’ll be lost if you don’t get baptized “ and we shouldn’t be telling people “ you don’t need to get baptized it’s not about remission of sins in Jesus name there’s another gospel and another baptism “
we should be sharing where baptism came from , what baptism is and what it means for us who partake. According to Gods word. Then people will themselves have faith knowing what baptism is for and why we do it and what it means and can decide whether to get baptized in his name based on belief
amen a son is born ……when the water in the womb breaks and the child emerges from it having a new and clean spirit ….
“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Mark 1:9-11 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( water )
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( spirit )
Acts 2:38
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. ( spirit ) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost ( spirit ) as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. ( water ) Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:44, 46-48 KJV
The new person who was borns identity
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Mark 1:9-11 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( water )
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( spirit )
Acts 2:38
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. ( spirit ) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost ( spirit ) as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. ( water ) Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:44, 46-48 KJV
The new person who was borns identity
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
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The water being spoken of by Jesus in John 3:5 is not childbirth. The birth Jesus is speaking about is a birth from above, a spiritual birth. This is clearly seen in verses 7 and 8. Further, the kingdom of God is not a physical kingdom. It exists within the believer. Physical birth has nothing to do with the kingdom of God.
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“The water being spoken of by Jesus in John 3:5 is not childbirth. The birth Jesus is speaking about is a birth from above, a spiritual birth.”
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water
and of the Spirit,
he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
John 3:5 KJV
yeah we should forget Jesus said water and spirit and let you explain why there no water involved in the new birth of a son
“And straightway coming up out of the water,
he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Mark 1:10-11 KJV
those who were baptized into Christ ( water for remission in his name ) and received the holy ghost( spirit of Christ )
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( water )
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ( spirit )
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost ( spirit ) as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. ( water for remission ) Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:44, 46-48 KJV
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( thou art my son in whom I’m well pleased )
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ,
they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:12 KJV
The baptism Jesus and his apostles did they did in water in his name for remission of sins they say there’s one baptism. like when Jesus was baptized he was baptized in water and received the spirit
sure brother being born of water and spirit has nothing to do with being born anew . we should remove the water and say grace and thank God we’re already chosen and saved and don’t need to obey him or anything like that
