Grace Has A Name

[FlyingDove]

Eternal life isn't earned or achieved; it's received through the One who gives it.

Grace = God's unmerited/unearned/undeserved favor

Jn 3:16 God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection have everlasting life - present tense.)

Jn 3:18 He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(NOTE: Unbelievers stand condemned > present tense < because they reject the Son.))

Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son "hath" everlasting life & he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
(NOTE: HATH/HAVE = present tense. Eternal life is received by faith alone, no repentance lists, no rituals, no works.)

Faith alone is needed. Scripture never adds repentance lists, obedience requirements, baptism, tithing, works, or ""until you slip up"" conditions. Believe & trust in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection & you have - present tense, right now, everlasting life.

Jn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers have eternal life right now.)

Christ: The Author & Finisher of Faith

Heb 12:2 Looking to Jesus the author & finisher of our faith;
(NOTE: He begins it & He completes it.)

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: Justification = God judicially declaring us righteous because of faith placed in Christ's faithful, obedient sin atoning work & resurrection.)

2 Thes 3:3 The Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil
(NOTE: We stand by His faithfulness, not our performance.)

Ephesians 2: Grace Saves, Faith Receives, Works Follow

Eph 2:
8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;

9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation]
(NOTE: Vs 8 Grace is a compassionate GIFT from God (you are a sinner that deserves death - Rom 6:23) His Grace enables you to access Christ's sin atonement. Vs 9 No works are involved/allowed. Only faith placed in Christ's work. So its all about how great He is, not how great we think might think our works are)

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works
(NOTE: Works follow salvation - they never produce it.)

Rom 16:26 Now revealed & made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, ""so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith""
(NOTE: Obedience comes from faith, not the other way around.)

Jude 24 To him that is able to keep you from falling & present you faultless before the presence of his glory with great joy
(NOTE: Jesus is our Advocate, - 1 Jn 2:1 & Heb 9:15 - He is also the One to whom all judgment has been given — Jn 5:22, 27. The One who defends you is the same One who judges you. Verdict for the believer: NOT GUILTY)

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
(NOTE: That saving name is Jesus the Christ.)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
(NOTE: Jesus is the grace of God. Grace has a name. It's Jesus the Christ!)

We access God's Christ/grace by faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8-9) No works, no rituals. By Faith alone calling on Jesus to be Lord of our Life, trusting in Him/His faithful, obedient sin atoning sacrificial work that remits our sin & His resurrection which brings new life. Amen

 

[homwardbound]

Eternal life isn't earned or achieved; it's received through the One who gives it.

Grace = God's unmerited/unearned/undeserved favor

Jn 3:16 God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection have everlasting life - present tense.)

Jn 3:18 He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(NOTE: Unbelievers stand condemned > present tense < because they reject the Son.))

Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son "hath" everlasting life & he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
(NOTE: HATH/HAVE = present tense. Eternal life is received by faith alone, no repentance lists, no rituals, no works.)

Faith alone is needed. Scripture never adds repentance lists, obedience requirements, baptism, tithing, works, or ""until you slip up"" conditions. Believe & trust in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection & you have - present tense, right now, everlasting life.

Jn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers have eternal life right now.)

Christ: The Author & Finisher of Faith

Heb 12:2 Looking to Jesus the author & finisher of our faith;
(NOTE: He begins it & He completes it.)

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: Justification = God judicially declaring us righteous because of faith placed in Christ's faithful, obedient sin atoning work & resurrection.)

2 Thes 3:3 The Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil
(NOTE: We stand by His faithfulness, not our performance.)

Ephesians 2: Grace Saves, Faith Receives, Works Follow

Eph 2:
8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;

9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation]
(NOTE: Vs 8 Grace is a compassionate GIFT from God (you are a sinner that deserves death - Rom 6:23) His Grace enables you to access Christ's sin atonement. Vs 9 No works are involved/allowed. Only faith placed in Christ's work. So its all about how great He is, not how great we think might think our works are)

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works
(NOTE: Works follow salvation - they never produce it.)

Rom 16:26 Now revealed & made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, ""so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith""
(NOTE: Obedience comes from faith, not the other way around.)

Jude 24 To him that is able to keep you from falling & present you faultless before the presence of his glory with great joy
(NOTE: Jesus is our Advocate, - 1 Jn 2:1 & Heb 9:15 - He is also the One to whom all judgment has been given — Jn 5:22, 27. The One who defends you is the same One who judges you. Verdict for the believer: NOT GUILTY)

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
(NOTE: That saving name is Jesus the Christ.)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
(NOTE: Jesus is the grace of God. Grace has a name. It's Jesus the Christ!)

We access God's Christ/grace by faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8-9) No works, no rituals. By Faith alone calling on Jesus to be Lord of our Life, trusting in Him/His faithful, obedient sin atoning sacrificial work that remits our sin & His resurrection which brings new life. Amen

thank you, so easy to forget this above and get caught up in works again and worry over it. Father in son did it, once for us all to be new in the same love, mercy and truth given us by the resurrection of Son to choose to believe and be new or not
I see another scriptures in Romans 14:1-4, and 2:1-4
I see to stand in trust to God Col 1:21-23 and continue.
As I have been in many troubles before seeing. deeper as James warns in James 1 to stand and not deny God whenever going through any troubles here on earth first.
Wow is me to see Isaiah 6:1-7, Ezekiel 36:26, Psalm 103:12, 100:4
Again Father Thank you

 

[wattie]

Eternal life isn't earned or achieved; it's received through the One who gives it.

Grace = God's unmerited/unearned/undeserved favor

Jn 3:16 God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection have everlasting life - present tense.)

Jn 3:18 He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(NOTE: Unbelievers stand condemned > present tense < because they reject the Son.))

Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son "hath" everlasting life & he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
(NOTE: HATH/HAVE = present tense. Eternal life is received by faith alone, no repentance lists, no rituals, no works.)

Faith alone is needed. Scripture never adds repentance lists, obedience requirements, baptism, tithing, works, or ""until you slip up"" conditions. Believe & trust in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection & you have - present tense, right now, everlasting life.

Jn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers have eternal life right now.)

Christ: The Author & Finisher of Faith

Heb 12:2 Looking to Jesus the author & finisher of our faith;
(NOTE: He begins it & He completes it.)

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: Justification = God judicially declaring us righteous because of faith placed in Christ's faithful, obedient sin atoning work & resurrection.)

2 Thes 3:3 The Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil
(NOTE: We stand by His faithfulness, not our performance.)

Ephesians 2: Grace Saves, Faith Receives, Works Follow

Eph 2:
8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;

9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation]
(NOTE: Vs 8 Grace is a compassionate GIFT from God (you are a sinner that deserves death - Rom 6:23) His Grace enables you to access Christ's sin atonement. Vs 9 No works are involved/allowed. Only faith placed in Christ's work. So its all about how great He is, not how great we think might think our works are)

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works
(NOTE: Works follow salvation - they never produce it.)

Rom 16:26 Now revealed & made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, ""so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith""
(NOTE: Obedience comes from faith, not the other way around.)

Jude 24 To him that is able to keep you from falling & present you faultless before the presence of his glory with great joy
(NOTE: Jesus is our Advocate, - 1 Jn 2:1 & Heb 9:15 - He is also the One to whom all judgment has been given — Jn 5:22, 27. The One who defends you is the same One who judges you. Verdict for the believer: NOT GUILTY)

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
(NOTE: That saving name is Jesus the Christ.)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
(NOTE: Jesus is the grace of God. Grace has a name. It's Jesus the Christ!)

We access God's Christ/grace by faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8-9) No works, no rituals. By Faith alone calling on Jesus to be Lord of our Life, trusting in Him/His faithful, obedient sin atoning sacrificial work that remits our sin & His resurrection which brings new life. Amen

This is all good, the only thing I would say is what does it mean to call on Jesus to be 'Lord of your life'

I would have put 'God and Saviour'.. because making Jesus Lord of your life takes alot of time and effort.

 

[homwardbound]

This is all good, the only thing I would say is what does it mean to call on Jesus to be 'Lord of your life'

I would have put 'God and Saviour'.. because making Jesus Lord of your life takes alot of time and effort.

I see
God Father, I need you, thank you for Son
Seeing, chose to stand in trust to you over the done work of Son done once for us all as risen to lead in your Holy Spirit to work that out through each in belief that will not quit, thank you
Accepted, forgiven and sealed as in Eph 1:6-7,13, Phil 1:6, Romans 14:1-4, 2:1-4

 

[GWH]

Eternal life isn't earned or achieved; it's received through the One who gives it.

Grace = God's unmerited/unearned/undeserved favor

Jn 3:16 God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection have everlasting life - present tense.)

Jn 3:18 He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(NOTE: Unbelievers stand condemned > present tense < because they reject the Son.))

Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son "hath" everlasting life & he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
(NOTE: HATH/HAVE = present tense. Eternal life is received by faith alone, no repentance lists, no rituals, no works.)

Faith alone is needed. Scripture never adds repentance lists, obedience requirements, baptism, tithing, works, or ""until you slip up"" conditions. Believe & trust in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection & you have - present tense, right now, everlasting life.

Jn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers have eternal life right now.)

Christ: The Author & Finisher of Faith

Heb 12:2 Looking to Jesus the author & finisher of our faith;
(NOTE: He begins it & He completes it.)

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: Justification = God judicially declaring us righteous because of faith placed in Christ's faithful, obedient sin atoning work & resurrection.)

2 Thes 3:3 The Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil
(NOTE: We stand by His faithfulness, not our performance.)

Ephesians 2: Grace Saves, Faith Receives, Works Follow

Eph 2:
8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;

9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation]
(NOTE: Vs 8 Grace is a compassionate GIFT from God (you are a sinner that deserves death - Rom 6:23) His Grace enables you to access Christ's sin atonement. Vs 9 No works are involved/allowed. Only faith placed in Christ's work. So its all about how great He is, not how great we think might think our works are)

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works
(NOTE: Works follow salvation - they never produce it.)

Rom 16:26 Now revealed & made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, ""so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith""
(NOTE: Obedience comes from faith, not the other way around.)

Jude 24 To him that is able to keep you from falling & present you faultless before the presence of his glory with great joy
(NOTE: Jesus is our Advocate, - 1 Jn 2:1 & Heb 9:15 - He is also the One to whom all judgment has been given — Jn 5:22, 27. The One who defends you is the same One who judges you. Verdict for the believer: NOT GUILTY)

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
(NOTE: That saving name is Jesus the Christ.)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
(NOTE: Jesus is the grace of God. Grace has a name. It's Jesus the Christ!)

We access God's Christ/grace by faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8-9) No works, no rituals. By Faith alone calling on Jesus to be Lord of our Life, trusting in Him/His faithful, obedient sin atoning sacrificial work that remits our sin & His resurrection which brings new life. Amen

Yes, Grace = God's unmerited gift of Christ aka divine love (John 3:16, Rom. 5:6-8).

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Eternal life isn't earned or achieved; it's received through the One who gives it.

Grace = God's unmerited/unearned/undeserved favor

Jn 3:16 God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection have everlasting life - present tense.)

Jn 3:18 He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(NOTE: Unbelievers stand condemned > present tense < because they reject the Son.))

Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son "hath" everlasting life & he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
(NOTE: HATH/HAVE = present tense. Eternal life is received by faith alone, no repentance lists, no rituals, no works.)

Faith alone is needed. Scripture never adds repentance lists, obedience requirements, baptism, tithing, works, or ""until you slip up"" conditions. Believe & trust in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection & you have - present tense, right now, everlasting life.

Jn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life
(NOTE: Believers have eternal life right now.)

Christ: The Author & Finisher of Faith

Heb 12:2 Looking to Jesus the author & finisher of our faith;
(NOTE: He begins it & He completes it.)

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: Justification = God judicially declaring us righteous because of faith placed in Christ's faithful, obedient sin atoning work & resurrection.)

2 Thes 3:3 The Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil
(NOTE: We stand by His faithfulness, not our performance.)

Ephesians 2: Grace Saves, Faith Receives, Works Follow

Eph 2:
8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;

9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation]
(NOTE: Vs 8 Grace is a compassionate GIFT from God (you are a sinner that deserves death - Rom 6:23) His Grace enables you to access Christ's sin atonement. Vs 9 No works are involved/allowed. Only faith placed in Christ's work. So its all about how great He is, not how great we think might think our works are)

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works
(NOTE: Works follow salvation - they never produce it.)

Rom 16:26 Now revealed & made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, ""so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith""
(NOTE: Obedience comes from faith, not the other way around.)

Jude 24 To him that is able to keep you from falling & present you faultless before the presence of his glory with great joy
(NOTE: Jesus is our Advocate, - 1 Jn 2:1 & Heb 9:15 - He is also the One to whom all judgment has been given — Jn 5:22, 27. The One who defends you is the same One who judges you. Verdict for the believer: NOT GUILTY)

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
(NOTE: That saving name is Jesus the Christ.)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
(NOTE: Jesus is the grace of God. Grace has a name. It's Jesus the Christ!)

We access God's Christ/grace by faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8-9) No works, no rituals. By Faith alone calling on Jesus to be Lord of our Life, trusting in Him/His faithful, obedient sin atoning sacrificial work that remits our sin & His resurrection which brings new life. Amen

When a person gets saved, God gives them His Holy Spirit and writes His laws in their heart. Faith that is truly saving will produce obedience, not because obedience earns salvation, but because it is the natural result of a heart transformed by grace.

If the faith doesn’t produce obedience through the Holy Spirit, that isn't faith that saves. Genuine faith will not remain dead or isolated from good works.

Moreover, if someone claims to be saved by grace alone but consistently lives in deliberate disobedience to God—especially rejecting His commands and showing no repentance—this raises serious questions about the authenticity of their faith.

John 3:36: "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

1 John 2:3–4: "We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, 'I know him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar."


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[FlyingDove]

When a person gets saved, God gives them His Holy Spirit and writes His laws in their heart. Faith that is truly saving will produce obedience, not because obedience earns salvation, but because it is the natural result of a heart transformed by grace.

If the faith doesn’t produce obedience through the Holy Spirit, that isn't faith that saves. Genuine faith will not remain dead or isolated from good works.

Moreover, if someone claims to be saved by grace alone but consistently lives in deliberate disobedience to God—especially rejecting His commands and showing no repentance—this raises serious questions about the authenticity of their faith.

John 3:36: "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

1 John 2:3–4: "We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, 'I know him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar."


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1st, you're attempting to smuggle works into maintaining salvation.

2ndly, You're mixing justification with sanctification. Scripture never does.

Salvation texts (Jn 3:16, 3:18, 3:36, 6:47, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8–9) all give one condition for receiving eternal life: BELIEVE! Present tense. No works. No obedience tests. No fruit inspection. No ""prove it by behavior."" Believe > have eternal life.

Sanctification texts describe growth after salvation (Eph 2:10, Rom 16:26, 2 Thes 3:3, Jude 24). Works follow salvation, they never produce it.

Your use of John 3:36 hinges on a translation issue: BibleGateway has over 60 translations & only 2 use the phrase ""does not obey the Son."" The Greek word is apeitheō, which means ""refuse to believe,"" so the verse is about unbelief - not obedience. John is contrasting faith vs. unbelief, not faith vs. performance.

“Thayer defines apeitheō as refusing to be persuaded — unbelief — not failing to obey commands. John 3:36 is about rejecting the Son’s message, not failing to perform.”

John 3:36 is about rejecting the Son’s message, not failing to perform.

Strong’s for ἀπειθέω (apeitheō) – G544 Meaning (Strong’s) G544 – apeitheō To refuse to be persuaded; to refuse belief; to be obstinate; to disbelieve.

1 John is a fellowship letter to believers, not a salvation manual. It deals with walking in the light, not how to get eternal life.

The biblical order is non negotiable: Grace > Faith > Salvation > Works.

You're reversing it into: Grace > Faith > Works > Salvation/Assurance.

Salvation/Eternal life is received by faith alone in Christ alone.

Salvation Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Topic Salvation:
of the spiritual and eternal deliverance granted immediately by God to those who accept His conditions of repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus, in whom alone it is to be obtained, upon confession of Him as Lord, Rom. 10:10; for this purpose the gospel is the saving instrument, Rom. 1:16; Eph. 1:13

Topic: Save, Saving
of the spiritual and eternal salvation granted immediately by God to those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, e.g., RV "(those that) were being saved;" 16:31; Rom. 8:24, RV, "were we saved;" Eph. 2:5,8: 1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 3:5; of human agency in this, Rom. 11:14; 1 Cor. 7:16; 9:22;

 

[GWH]

Yes, Salvation texts (Jn 3:16, 3:18, 3:36, 6:47, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8–9) all give one condition for receiving eternal life: BELIEVE! Present tense. No works. No obedience tests. No fruit inspection. No ""prove it by behavior."" Believe > have eternal life, and Sanctification texts describe growth after salvation (Eph 2:10, Rom 16:26, 2 Thes 3:3, Jude 24). Works follow salvation, they never produce it.

Furthermore, godly works manifest saving faith. “The work of God is to believe in the one [Messiah/Christ] He has sent.” (John 6:29)
There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace or motivates good works while walking/living (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime (Rom. 1:17). IOW, the ability/MFW to do good works as well as have saving faith are both due to God’s grace.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

1st, you're attempting to smuggle works into maintaining salvation.

2ndly, You're mixing justification with sanctification. Scripture never does.

Salvation texts (Jn 3:16, 3:18, 3:36, 6:47, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8–9) all give one condition for receiving eternal life: BELIEVE! Present tense. No works. No obedience tests. No fruit inspection. No ""prove it by behavior."" Believe > have eternal life.

Sanctification texts describe growth after salvation (Eph 2:10, Rom 16:26, 2 Thes 3:3, Jude 24). Works follow salvation, they never produce it.

Your use of John 3:36 hinges on a translation issue: BibleGateway has over 60 translations & only 2 use the phrase ""does not obey the Son."" The Greek word is apeitheō, which means ""refuse to believe,"" so the verse is about unbelief - not obedience. John is contrasting faith vs. unbelief, not faith vs. performance.

“Thayer defines apeitheō as refusing to be persuaded — unbelief — not failing to obey commands. John 3:36 is about rejecting the Son’s message, not failing to perform.”

John 3:36 is about rejecting the Son’s message, not failing to perform.

Strong’s for ἀπειθέω (apeitheō) – G544 Meaning (Strong’s) G544 – apeitheō To refuse to be persuaded; to refuse belief; to be obstinate; to disbelieve.

1 John is a fellowship letter to believers, not a salvation manual. It deals with walking in the light, not how to get eternal life.

The biblical order is non negotiable: Grace > Faith > Salvation > Works.

You're reversing it into: Grace > Faith > Works > Salvation/Assurance.

Salvation/Eternal life is received by faith alone in Christ alone.

Salvation Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Topic Salvation:
of the spiritual and eternal deliverance granted immediately by God to those who accept His conditions of repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus, in whom alone it is to be obtained, upon confession of Him as Lord, Rom. 10:10; for this purpose the gospel is the saving instrument, Rom. 1:16; Eph. 1:13

Topic: Save, Saving
of the spiritual and eternal salvation granted immediately by God to those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, e.g., RV "(those that) were being saved;" 16:31; Rom. 8:24, RV, "were we saved;" Eph. 2:5,8: 1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 3:5; of human agency in this, Rom. 11:14; 1 Cor. 7:16; 9:22;

Yes, Salvation texts (Jn 3:16, 3:18, 3:36, 6:47, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8–9) all give one condition for receiving eternal life: BELIEVE! Present tense. No works. No obedience tests. No fruit inspection. No ""prove it by behavior."" Believe > have eternal life, and Sanctification texts describe growth after salvation (Eph 2:10, Rom 16:26, 2 Thes 3:3, Jude 24). Works follow salvation, they never produce it.

Furthermore, godly works manifest saving faith. “The work of God is to believe in the one [Messiah/Christ] He has sent.” (John 6:29)
There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace or motivates good works while walking/living (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime (Rom. 1:17). IOW, the ability/MFW to do good works as well as have saving faith are both due to God’s grace.

I going to go by what God has shown me through His Holy Spirit and obey Him.


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[p_rehbein]

Faith alone is needed. Scripture never adds repentance lists, obedience requirements, baptism, tithing, works, or ""until you slip up"" conditions. Believe & trust in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection & you have - present tense, right now, everlasting life.

Oh, goodness...
Matthew 4:17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (the very first Serman Jesus preached)
John, Chapter 14:
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Matthew, Chapter 24:
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

NOTE: "believeth" in John 3:16 IS NOT a ONE TIME thing. As many of those who are fluent in the Original Languages of Scripture here have pointed out, this is a CONTINOUS event. Believing in Jesus from repentance, salvation until the end of ones earthly life.

 

[FlyingDove]

Oh, goodness...
Matthew 4:17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (the very first Serman Jesus preached)
John, Chapter 14:
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Matthew, Chapter 24:
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

NOTE: "believeth" in John 3:16 IS NOT a ONE TIME thing. As many of those who are fluent in the Original Languages of Scripture here have pointed out, this is a CONTINOUS event. Believing in Jesus from repentance, salvation until the end of ones earthly life.

You're pulling discipleship, fellowship & endurance passages out of context & trying to turn them into salvation requirements, but the salvation passages themselves never do that.

Matt 4:17 is Jesus calling Israel to change their mind about the Messiah, not giving a formula for receiving eternal life.

Jn 14:15 isn't a salvation verse. Jesus is speaking to disciples who are already saved, already clean & already believing, He's talking about loving obedience as the fruit of salvation, not a condition for receiving eternal life.

The actual salvation texts (Jn 3:16, 3:18, 3:36, 6:47, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8–9) give one condition for receiving eternal life: BELIEVE.

Works, obedience, endurance & repentance-fruit belong to sanctification after salvation, not to justification. Scripture's order is Grace > Faith > Salvation > Works, NOT Grace > Faith > Works > Salvation. Eternal life is received by faith alone in Christ alone. Faith specifically placed in His redemptive sin atoning death & resurrection. Jesus does all the work, all we need to do is believe/trust Him.
Jesus Himself says He keeps, holds, preserves & loses none of His believers (Jn 6:37, 6:39–40, 10:27–29, 17:11–12, 17:24), so eternal life is secure because HE is faithful - not because we perform.

 

[p_rehbein]

Copy the whole passage from Ephesians for understanding please:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

True that works can not provide salvation. However, Jesus clearly states that once saved, one MUST continue in belief through faith AND obedience to one's calling. God has a purpose for ALL He bestows salvation upon! Living an obedient life is required for the eternal salvation one seeks. A disobedient person (one who does not live a Christ like life, or seek to fulfill the purpose they were PURPOSED for) will not receive salvation.

 

[FlyingDove]

Copy the whole passage from Ephesians for understanding please:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

True that works can not provide salvation. However, Jesus clearly states that once saved, one MUST continue in belief through faith AND obedience to one's calling. God has a purpose for ALL He bestows salvation upon! Living an obedient life is required for the eternal salvation one seeks. A disobedient person (one who does not live a Christ like life, or seek to fulfill the purpose they were PURPOSED for) will not receive salvation.

Ephesians 2:8–9, States clearly: salvation is GIVEN by Grace & RECEIVED thru Faith, ""not of yourselves"" & NOT OF WORKS!

That sequence destroys every system that makes obedience a condition for obtaining or keeping salvation. Grace is the cause, faith is the instrument, salvation is the result & works are excluded by definition.

Paul introduces obedience in verse 10. Obedience is part of ""sanctification"" believers are God's workmanship, created in Christ for good works, not by them.

Any theology that drags obedience backward into verses 8–9 overturns Paul's grammar, reverses his order & converts a GIFT/grace into a wage.

 

[FlyingDove]

Ephesians 2:8–9, States clearly: salvation is GIVEN by Grace & RECEIVED thru Faith, ""not of yourselves"" & NOT OF WORKS!

That sequence destroys every system that makes obedience a condition for obtaining or keeping salvation. Grace is the cause, faith is the instrument, salvation is the result & works are excluded by definition.

Paul introduces obedience in verse 10. Obedience is part of ""sanctification"" believers are God's workmanship, created in Christ for good works, not by them.

Any theology that drags obedience backward into verses 8–9 overturns Paul's grammar, reverses his order & converts a GIFT/grace into a wage.

You’re not clarifying Paul, you're contradicting him. The moment you say obedience is required for eternal salvation, you've detonated the very thing Paul is protecting in Ephesians 2:8–9. Paul doesn't merely say works don't start salvation, he says salvation is ""not of yourselves"" & NOT OF WORKS! Meaning nothing you do, before or after, can be a condition for obtaining or keeping it.

Dragging obedience into the salvation side of the equation rewrites Paul's grammar, reverses his order & turns God's GIFT into a performance based paycheck & verse 10 doesn't help your claim. it destroys it.

Paul places obedience after salvation as the fruit of being God's workmanship, not the requirement for becoming it. If obedience is required to secure eternal life, then salvation is no longer by grace, no longer through faith, no longer ""not of yourselves,"" & no longer a gift. You can't smuggle human effort into a passage designed to exclude it without gutting the gospel Paul is defending.

 

[homwardbound]

You’re not clarifying Paul, you're contradicting him. The moment you say obedience is required for eternal salvation, you've detonated the very thing Paul is protecting in Ephesians 2:8–9. Paul doesn't merely say works don't start salvation, he says salvation is ""not of yourselves"" & NOT OF WORKS! Meaning nothing you do, before or after, can be a condition for obtaining or keeping it.

Dragging obedience into the salvation side of the equation rewrites Paul's grammar, reverses his order & turns God's GIFT into a performance based paycheck & verse 10 doesn't help your claim. it destroys it.

Paul places obedience after salvation as the fruit of being God's workmanship, not the requirement for becoming it. If obedience is required to secure eternal life, then salvation is no longer by grace, no longer through faith, no longer ""not of yourselves,"" & no longer a gift. You can't smuggle human effort into a passage designed to exclude it without gutting the gospel Paul is defending.

The works part!
Which work(s) are you, me and others performing?

If/since it is the done works of Son as perfect, then you got it, God's leading, not you anymore.
Now as for me I see many times where "I" got back in the way again and again. I am thankful for God Father's grace given through son as risen for me to be led new in God's love and mercy for us all, anyone else?
I put past behind me and continue forward in trust to God by Son's done work, seeing new and not harming others anymore as did before being born new by God in risen Son, anyone else? thank you Father and Son as Won (one)

 

[FlyingDove]

This is all good, the only thing I would say is what does it mean to call on Jesus to be 'Lord of your life'

I would have put 'God and Saviour'.. because making Jesus Lord of your life takes alot of time and effort.

Wattie, let me restate what I already laid out, because Scripture is very clear on how eternal life is received.

In the post I said:
Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son "hath" everlasting life & he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
(NOTE: HATH/HAVE = present tense. Eternal life is received by faith alone, no repentance lists, no rituals, no works.)

(1) Faith alone is needed. Scripture never adds repentance lists, obedience requirements, baptism, tithing, works, or ""until you slip up"" conditions. """""Believe & trust in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection & you have - present tense, right now, everlasting life."""""

(2) Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: Justification = God judicially declaring us righteous """""because of faith placed in Christ's faithful, obedient sin atoning work & resurrection.""""")

"""""WATTIE, scripture itself refers to Jesus as LORD"""""
2 Thes 3:3 The Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil
(NOTE: We stand by His faithfulness, not our performance.)

(3) 9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation]
(NOTE: Vs 8 Grace is a compassionate GIFT from God (you are a sinner that deserves death - Rom 6:23) His Grace enables you to access Christ's sin atonement. Vs 9 No works are involved/allowed. """"Only faith placed in Christ's work.""""' So its all about how great He is, not how great we think might think our works are)

(4) I closed with: We access God's Christ/grace by faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8-9) No works, no rituals. By Faith alone calling on Jesus to be Lord of our Life, trusting in Him/His faithful, obedient sin atoning sacrificial work that remits our sin & His resurrection which brings new life. Amen


4 times I gave the formula on how to make Jesus Lord of your life.

Paul wrote:
1 Cor 15:
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold]
(NOTE: Paul say's FIRST IMPORTANCE Christ died for our sins, He was buried & raised on the 3rd day)

As for the idea that ""making Jesus Lord of your life takes a lot of time and effort"" — I disagree. You're invoking sanctification/discipleship, not salvation.

It takes faith alone: Lord I've sinned against your sovereign rule, forgive me & become the Lord of my life (many versions of that simple/effortless prayer will suffice) Upon acceptance the Lord knowing the true heart of every person (Rev 2:23, Jn 2:24-25, Matt 15:18) baptizes the sinner with His Holy Spirit & GIVES him eternal life DONE DEAL.

 

[wattie]

Wattie, let me restate what I already laid out, because Scripture is very clear on how eternal life is received.

In the post I said:
Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son "hath" everlasting life & he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
(NOTE: HATH/HAVE = present tense. Eternal life is received by faith alone, no repentance lists, no rituals, no works.)

(1) Faith alone is needed. Scripture never adds repentance lists, obedience requirements, baptism, tithing, works, or ""until you slip up"" conditions. """""Believe & trust in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection & you have - present tense, right now, everlasting life."""""

(2) Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: Justification = God judicially declaring us righteous """""because of faith placed in Christ's faithful, obedient sin atoning work & resurrection.""""")

"""""WATTIE, scripture itself refers to Jesus as LORD"""""
2 Thes 3:3 The Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil
(NOTE: We stand by His faithfulness, not our performance.)

(3) 9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation]
(NOTE: Vs 8 Grace is a compassionate GIFT from God (you are a sinner that deserves death - Rom 6:23) His Grace enables you to access Christ's sin atonement. Vs 9 No works are involved/allowed. """"Only faith placed in Christ's work.""""' So its all about how great He is, not how great we think might think our works are)

(4) I closed with: We access God's Christ/grace by faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8-9) No works, no rituals. By Faith alone calling on Jesus to be Lord of our Life, trusting in Him/His faithful, obedient sin atoning sacrificial work that remits our sin & His resurrection which brings new life. Amen


4 times I gave the formula on how to make Jesus Lord of your life.

Paul wrote:
1 Cor 15:
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold]
(NOTE: Paul say's FIRST IMPORTANCE Christ died for our sins, He was buried & raised on the 3rd day)

As for the idea that ""making Jesus Lord of your life takes a lot of time and effort"" — I disagree. You're invoking sanctification/discipleship, not salvation.

It takes faith alone: Lord I've sinned against your sovereign rule, forgive me & become the Lord of my life (many versions of that simple/effortless prayer will suffice) Upon acceptance the Lord knowing the true heart of every person (Rev 2:23, Jn 2:24-25, Matt 15:18) baptizes the sinner with His Holy Spirit & GIVES him eternal life DONE DEAL.

Okay.. I believe the same. The difference between 'receive Jesus and God and Saviour' and 'make Him Lord of your life' aren't different in what else you have written.

The danger is when making Jesus Lord of your life is a work of constant effort on your part, and that is said to be tied to salvation.

You don't appear to be saying that