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The Oneness Holy Grail

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(NOTE: Israel's necessary salvation formula: Repent, be baptized, ""in the name of Jesus Christ > for the remission of sins"" & you will receive the Holy Spirit.)

They repeatedly claim this formula is the universal salvation. Even though Acts 2, is framed entirely inside Israel's covenant world. Peter's audience ""Men of Judea & all who dwell in Jerusalem"" ""Vs14, Men of Israel Vs22"" define the scope.

We have a Jewish mandatory attend feast, in a Jewish city, fulfilling a Jewish prophecy, under Jewish covenant laws. The commands Peter gives, repent, be baptized & receive the Holy Spirit, are delivered to Israel only, the chosen nation under the Mosaic covenant. NOT ONE gentile is among the 3,000 saved at Pentecost (Acts 10:45 proves it) & NOT ONE GENTILE HAS EVER been saved by this Acts 2:38 formula.

If a salvation pattern is truly universal, it must work for all people, in all places, under all conditions. Acts 2 does not!

Acts 10 salvation formula works for all people, in all places, under all under the same circumstance/UNIVERSAL!

Acts 10:44 Based on their FAITH ALONE Jesus knows the heart of man (Matt 9:4, Jn 6:64,Acts 1:24, Rev 2:23) & baptizes these gentiles with His salvation sealing (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5) Holy Spirit-without circumcision & without water. (Only Jesus Holy Spirit‑baptizes Matt 3:11; Acts 1:5). NO WATER NEEDED!

Hear > Believe > Receive > receive the Holy Spirit formula/sequence becomes the NT UNIVERSAL-Jew & Gentile initiation into the now newly formed Body of Christ. NO WATER NEEDED!

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: For by the Holy Spirit are we ALL baptized into one body > whether Jew or Gentile) NO WATER NEEDED!

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision "made without hands", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The NT circumcision of Christ, "made without hands." is the inward, SPIRITUAL work of the Holy Spirit) NO WATER NEEDED!

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(NOTE: A circumcision of the heart, in the spirit & NOT of the LAW)

The risen Jesus chooses Paul as His vessel to carry His name to Gentiles, kings, and Israel (Acts 9:15). Jerusalem pillars affirm that Paul will go to the Gentiles while they go to the circumcision (Gal 2:9), Paul preaches the risen Christ & justification by faith apart from the Law (Acts 13:30–31, 38–39). Paul declares that the one God justifies both Jew & Gentile by faith (Rom 3:29–30). The Risen Lord sent him to open their eyes so they may receive forgiveness of sins & be sanctified by faith in Him (Acts 26:16–18).

Verses on how we get rid of our sins?

Can you share at least 2, we need 2 at least.
 
The Oneness Holy Grail

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(NOTE: Israel's necessary salvation formula: Repent, be baptized, ""in the name of Jesus Christ > for the remission of sins"" & you will receive the Holy Spirit.)

They repeatedly claim this formula is the universal salvation. Even though Acts 2, is framed entirely inside Israel's covenant world. Peter's audience ""Men of Judea & all who dwell in Jerusalem"" ""Vs14, Men of Israel Vs22"" define the scope.

We have a Jewish mandatory attend feast, in a Jewish city, fulfilling a Jewish prophecy, under Jewish covenant laws. The commands Peter gives, repent, be baptized & receive the Holy Spirit, are delivered to Israel only, the chosen nation under the Mosaic covenant. NOT ONE gentile is among the 3,000 saved at Pentecost (Acts 10:45 proves it) & NOT ONE GENTILE HAS EVER been saved by this Acts 2:38 formula.

If a salvation pattern is truly universal, it must work for all people, in all places, under all conditions. Acts 2 does not!

Acts 10 salvation formula works for all people, in all places, under all under the same circumstance/UNIVERSAL!

Acts 10:44 Based on their FAITH ALONE Jesus knows the heart of man (Matt 9:4, Jn 6:64,Acts 1:24, Rev 2:23) & baptizes these gentiles with His salvation sealing (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5) Holy Spirit-without circumcision & without water. (Only Jesus Holy Spirit‑baptizes Matt 3:11; Acts 1:5). NO WATER NEEDED!

Hear > Believe > Receive > receive the Holy Spirit formula/sequence becomes the NT UNIVERSAL-Jew & Gentile initiation into the now newly formed Body of Christ. NO WATER NEEDED!

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: For by the Holy Spirit are we ALL baptized into one body > whether Jew or Gentile) NO WATER NEEDED!

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision "made without hands", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The NT circumcision of Christ, "made without hands." is the inward, SPIRITUAL work of the Holy Spirit) NO WATER NEEDED!

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(NOTE: A circumcision of the heart, in the spirit & NOT of the LAW)

The risen Jesus chooses Paul as His vessel to carry His name to Gentiles, kings, and Israel (Acts 9:15). Jerusalem pillars affirm that Paul will go to the Gentiles while they go to the circumcision (Gal 2:9), Paul preaches the risen Christ & justification by faith apart from the Law (Acts 13:30–31, 38–39). Paul declares that the one God justifies both Jew & Gentile by faith (Rom 3:29–30). The Risen Lord sent him to open their eyes so they may receive forgiveness of sins & be sanctified by faith in Him (Acts 26:16–18).

What is your problem with what you call oneness people?

You don't like that they are just like JESUS disciples when HE walked this earth?

They know how many GOD'S there are and HIS name just like HIS disciples?

You don't like HIS word and the scriptures they share?

Or is it just pride like Satan who don't like HIS word?

No one here is trying to sell you soap, just shaing HIS word.

You accept twisted scripture and opinions from those who do not no how to be reborn, but not from those who do?

Matthew 7:13-14
King James Version
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
Acts 2:38 is not a universal salvation formula because it excludes over half the population. Acts 10:44 reveals the universal Body‑of‑Christ entry pattern for today: Hear > Believe > Receive, confirmed in Ephesians 1:13.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(NOTE: Israel's necessary salvation formula: Repent, be baptized, ""in the name of Jesus Christ > for the remission of sins"" & you will receive the Holy Spirit.)

They repeatedly claim this formula is the universal salvation. Even though Acts 2, is framed entirely inside Israel's covenant world. Peter's audience ""Men of Judea & all who dwell in Jerusalem"" ""Vs14, Men of Israel Vs22"" define the scope.

We have a Jewish mandatory attend feast, in a Jewish city, fulfilling a Jewish prophecy, under Jewish covenant laws. The commands Peter gives, repent, be baptized & receive the Holy Spirit, are delivered to Israel only, the chosen nation under the Mosaic covenant. NOT ONE gentile is among the 3,000 saved at Pentecost (Acts 10:45 proves it) & NOT ONE GENTILE HAS EVER been saved by this Acts 2:38 formula.

If a salvation pattern is truly universal, it must work for all people, in all places, under all conditions. Acts 2 does not!

Acts 10 salvation formula works for all people, in all places, under all under the same circumstance/UNIVERSAL!

Acts 10:44 Based on their FAITH ALONE Jesus knows the heart of man (Matt 9:4, Jn 6:64,Acts 1:24, Rev 2:23) & baptizes these gentiles with His salvation sealing (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5) Holy Spirit-without circumcision & without water. (Only Jesus Holy Spirit‑baptizes Matt 3:11; Acts 1:5). NO WATER NEEDED!

Hear > Believe > Receive > receive the Holy Spirit formula/sequence becomes the NT UNIVERSAL-Jew & Gentile initiation into the now newly formed Body of Christ. NO WATER NEEDED!

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: For by the Holy Spirit are we ALL baptized into one body > whether Jew or Gentile) NO WATER NEEDED!

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision "made without hands", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The NT circumcision of Christ, "made without hands." is the inward, SPIRITUAL work of the Holy Spirit) NO WATER NEEDED!

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(NOTE: A circumcision of the heart, in the spirit & NOT of the LAW)

The risen Jesus chooses Paul as His vessel to carry His name to Gentiles, kings, and Israel (Acts 9:15). Jerusalem pillars affirm that Paul will go to the Gentiles while they go to the circumcision (Gal 2:9), Paul preaches the risen Christ & justification by faith apart from the Law (Acts 13:30–31, 38–39). Paul declares that the one God justifies both Jew & Gentile by faith (Rom 3:29–30). The Risen Lord sent him to open their eyes so they may receive forgiveness of sins & be sanctified by faith in Him (Acts 26:16–18).
 
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Acts 2:38 is not a universal salvation formula because it excludes over half the population. Acts 10:44 reveals the universal Body‑of‑Christ entry pattern for today: Hear > Believe > Receive, confirmed in Ephesians 1:13.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(NOTE: Israel's necessary salvation formula: Repent, be baptized, ""in the name of Jesus Christ > for the remission of sins"" & you will receive the Holy Spirit.)

They repeatedly claim this formula is the universal salvation. Even though Acts 2, is framed entirely inside Israel's covenant world. Peter's audience ""Men of Judea & all who dwell in Jerusalem"" ""Vs14, Men of Israel Vs22"" define the scope.

We have a Jewish mandatory attend feast, in a Jewish city, fulfilling a Jewish prophecy, under Jewish covenant laws. The commands Peter gives, repent, be baptized & receive the Holy Spirit, are delivered to Israel only, the chosen nation under the Mosaic covenant. NOT ONE gentile is among the 3,000 saved at Pentecost (Acts 10:45 proves it) & NOT ONE GENTILE HAS EVER been saved by this Acts 2:38 formula.

If a salvation pattern is truly universal, it must work for all people, in all places, under all conditions. Acts 2 does not!

Acts 10 salvation formula works for all people, in all places, under all under the same circumstance/UNIVERSAL!

Acts 10:44 Based on their FAITH ALONE Jesus knows the heart of man (Matt 9:4, Jn 6:64,Acts 1:24, Rev 2:23) & baptizes these gentiles with His salvation sealing (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5) Holy Spirit-without circumcision & without water. (Only Jesus Holy Spirit‑baptizes Matt 3:11; Acts 1:5). NO WATER NEEDED!

Hear > Believe > Receive > receive the Holy Spirit formula/sequence becomes the NT UNIVERSAL-Jew & Gentile initiation into the now newly formed Body of Christ. NO WATER NEEDED!

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: For by the Holy Spirit are we ALL baptized into one body > whether Jew or Gentile) NO WATER NEEDED!

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision "made without hands", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The NT circumcision of Christ, "made without hands." is the inward, SPIRITUAL work of the Holy Spirit) NO WATER NEEDED!

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(NOTE: A circumcision of the heart, in the spirit & NOT of the LAW)

The risen Jesus chooses Paul as His vessel to carry His name to Gentiles, kings, and Israel (Acts 9:15). Jerusalem pillars affirm that Paul will go to the Gentiles while they go to the circumcision (Gal 2:9), Paul preaches the risen Christ & justification by faith apart from the Law (Acts 13:30–31, 38–39). Paul declares that the one God justifies both Jew & Gentile by faith (Rom 3:29–30). The Risen Lord sent him to open their eyes so they may receive forgiveness of sins & be sanctified by faith in Him (Acts 26:16–18).

Verses on how we get rid of our sins?

Can you share at least 2, we need 2 at least.
 
Ephesians 1:13 3In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(NOTE: heard the word of truth/HEAR - BELIEVED - sealed with that holy Spirit of promise/RECEIVED)

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(NOTE: He that heareth my word/HEAR- BELIEVE - has everlasting life/RECEIVED)

Acts 13:
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
(NOTE: preached unto you/HEAR - all that believe/BELIEVE - justified/RECEIVED)

Acts 10:
43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
(NOTE: Peter spoke/HEAR - Vs 42, whosoever believeth/BELIEVE - the Holy Ghost fell on all them/RECEIVE)
 
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Ephesians 1:13 3In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(NOTE: heard the word of truth/HEAR - BELIEVED - sealed with that holy Spirit of promise/RECEIVED)

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(NOTE: He that heareth my word/HEAR- BELIEVE - has everlasting life/RECEIVED)

Acts 13:
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
(NOTE: preached unto you/HEAR - all that believe/BELIEVE - justified/RECEIVED)

Acts 10:
43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
(NOTE: Peter spoke/HEAR - Vs 42, whosoever believeth/BELIEVE - the Holy Ghost fell on all them/RECEIVE)

Ephesians, what did they trust in? Was you there to hear that message?

John 5 if your herd and beleive is there anything you was told to do?

Acts 13 Did you obey the message that was given?

Acts 10 what happned after they received?

I think I need to reword my question since you don't understand.

ORIGINAL,

Verses on how we get rid of our sins?

Can you share at least 2, we need 2 at least.

NEW,

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO TO REMOVE YOUR SINS???
 
Ephesians, what did they trust in? Was you there to hear that message?

John 5 if your herd and beleive is there anything you was told to do?

Acts 13 Did you obey the message that was given?

Acts 10 what happned after they received?

I think I need to reword my question since you don't understand.

ORIGINAL,

Verses on how we get rid of our sins?

Can you share at least 2, we need 2 at least.

NEW,

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO TO REMOVE YOUR SINS???
Mr. Ouch, here is the moment I realized you were just a waste of time.

THREAD: Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View.

POST #1871.

Here's your answer to salvation:

QUOTE: ""My personal experience when JESUS filled me, I was sweating, eyes running, nose running and left me saying to myself, WHAT WAS THAT. It changed my life JESUS IS ALIVE.

Which make me think of in Acts 2:4 what were they thinking when JESUS filled them."" END QUOTE.

1st, When a position requires dismissing Scripture in favor of ""my experience,"" then your experience has already lost the argument.

2ndly, Acts 2:4 doesn't follow the Acts 2:38 Holy Grail you constantly regurgitate: Repent, be water baptized, in Jesus name & then you'll receive the Holy Spirit. Well, the Acts 2:4 Holy Spirit outpour came without any recorded repentance & without any recorded confession. Which collapses your constantly regurgitate 2:38 narrative sequence onto itself.

And for the umpteenth time water doesn't remove sin!

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”

"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

Jesus doesn't sprinkle water onto the alter in Heavens sanctuary:

Hebrews teaches that Christ entered the heavenly sanctuary ""not made with hands"" ""with His own blood"" (Heb 9:11–12). The same blood He shed ""outside the gate"" is ""the blood that sanctifies"" (Heb 13:12), the blood that speaks in heaven (Heb 12:24) & the blood by which we enter the holiest (Heb 10:19).
 
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Mr. Ouch, here is the moment I realized you were just a waste of time.

THREAD: Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View.

POST #1871.

Here's your answer to salvation:

QUOTE: ""My personal experience when JESUS filled me, I was sweating, eyes running, nose running and left me saying to myself, WHAT WAS THAT. It changed my life JESUS IS ALIVE.

Which make me think of in Acts 2:4 what were they thinking when JESUS filled them."" END QUOTE.

1st, When a position requires dismissing Scripture in favor of ""my experience,"" then your experience has already lost the argument.

2ndly, Acts 2:4 doesn't follow the Acts 2:38 Holy Grail you constantly regurgitate: Repent, be water baptized, in Jesus name & then you'll receive the Holy Spirit. Well, the Acts 2:4 Holy Spirit outpour came without any recorded repentance & without any recorded confession. Which collapses your constantly regurgitate 2:38 narrative sequence onto itself.

And for the umpteenth time water doesn't remove sin!

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”

"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

Jesus doesn't sprinkle water onto the alter in Heavens sanctuary:

Hebrews teaches that Christ entered the heavenly sanctuary ""not made with hands"" ""with His own blood"" (Heb 9:11–12). The same blood He shed ""outside the gate"" is ""the blood that sanctifies"" (Heb 13:12), the blood that speaks in heaven (Heb 12:24) & the blood by which we enter the holiest (Heb 10:19).

I'm a waste of your time, if I'm a lost soul shouldn't you be?

Because what happened to me is the something that happened to JESUS DISCIPLES??

I'm here to help others see so they can be reborn and be Heaven bound.

I know it takes alot of patience.

I would never put someone on ignore, If I tell them I'm done I always give them the last word or a chance to talk.

I ask questions in hope the person will look at HIS word and not me!!!

JESUS loves you and what's for you to obey HIM and HIS word.

I asked you has JESUS filled you with the Holy Ghost with it and removing your sins you could be a JESUS disciple also.

He can only work with the humble,

So don't tell me what JESUS did, tell me with scripture WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO REMOVE OUR SINS??

For get out me, think of JESUS and HIS word, what do we have to do to remove our sins?
 
Never had this experience: I was sweating, eyes running, nose running and left me saying to myself, WHAT WAS THAT. So...
 
Never had this experience: I was sweating, eyes running, nose running and left me saying to myself, WHAT WAS THAT. So...

Morning, is that what scares you, I sure can understand?

Think of other mericials that GOD has done, what would you think if you were Paul on the road to demacus all of the sudden a big light and JESUS talking to you?

If JESUS wasn't healing so many would you belive it, what do you those fokes were felling?

I'm a hands on guy, it may be different with different people but that was what it felt like to me when JESUS filled me with HIS spirit!

Made me alot more bold shaing HIS word, JESUS is ALIVE and came inside of me.

JESUS said this in Acts 1,
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

What do you think they were thinking?

Don't leave but wait for some promise of the Holy Ghost?

What's a Holy Ghost?

That was the first time that has happened.

Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Did you ever consider what these people were thinking when JESUS filled them.

What would you think if you were praying and that happened to you?

You are always quoting Acts 10 when the samething happened to them!!

Did you ever see this story I shared on this sight a coulpe of times, which happened in Georgia?

My pastor and his team was heading to Georigia to pick up some church pews.

When there, my pastor started talking to a a man about him remodeling or building a new chruch.

He said, he and few other men got together to seek the Lord more, and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost and they all started speaking in tougues.

They followed a baptist preacher, they went to him and told him what happpeded and he KICKED THEM OUT OF THE CHURCH so they were building a new one and called them self baptacostals.

I know for a fact that most churchs don't preach about the Holy Ghost as I also followed a baptist preacher when I was younger and he sure never did.

He's the preacher right, suppose to follow him right?

We are all in different walks and if we are humble we can learn from one and the other.

I ask many on this sight that think that Pauls message is different then the rest of JESUS disciples, what about Acts 19 which happed app 20 years after Acts 2.

Paul askes you,

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

GOD'S word, evidence Paul preaches the same message AND baptism in a specific way is a big part of receiving the Holy Ghost and being reborn.

JESUS has filled a lot of people but we have to be humble and wait on HIM.

JESUS can ONLY work with the humble, thank you GOD BLESS.
 
Morning, is that what scares you, I sure can understand?

Think of other mericials that GOD has done, what would you think if you were Paul on the road to demacus all of the sudden a big light and JESUS talking to you?

If JESUS wasn't healing so many would you belive it, what do you those fokes were felling?

I'm a hands on guy, it may be different with different people but that was what it felt like to me when JESUS filled me with HIS spirit!

Made me alot more bold shaing HIS word, JESUS is ALIVE and came inside of me.

JESUS said this in Acts 1,
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

What do you think they were thinking?

Don't leave but wait for some promise of the Holy Ghost?

What's a Holy Ghost?

That was the first time that has happened.

Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Did you ever consider what these people were thinking when JESUS filled them.

What would you think if you were praying and that happened to you?

You are always quoting Acts 10 when the samething happened to them!!

Did you ever see this story I shared on this sight a coulpe of times, which happened in Georgia?

My pastor and his team was heading to Georigia to pick up some church pews.

When there, my pastor started talking to a a man about him remodeling or building a new chruch.

He said, he and few other men got together to seek the Lord more, and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost and they all started speaking in tougues.

They followed a baptist preacher, they went to him and told him what happpeded and he KICKED THEM OUT OF THE CHURCH so they were building a new one and called them self baptacostals.

I know for a fact that most churchs don't preach about the Holy Ghost as I also followed a baptist preacher when I was younger and he sure never did.

He's the preacher right, suppose to follow him right?

We are all in different walks and if we are humble we can learn from one and the other.

I ask many on this sight that think that Pauls message is different then the rest of JESUS disciples, what about Acts 19 which happed app 20 years after Acts 2.

Paul askes you,

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

GOD'S word, evidence Paul preaches the same message AND baptism in a specific way is a big part of receiving the Holy Ghost and being reborn.

JESUS has filled a lot of people but we have to be humble and wait on HIM.

JESUS can ONLY work with the humble, thank you GOD BLESS.
Every time you blather on about how YOU claim the New Testament says a person is saved, you run back to feelings: sweating, crying, shaking & campfire stories. None of that is the gospel. Paul didn't say, ""After you sweat, cry, & shake you're sealed."" He said, AFTER you heard - AFTER you believed - you were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13).

Your emotional testimony is not doctrinally supported by Scripture.

You keep throwing Acts 2 & Acts 19 around, but neither one supports your experience‑based salvation: Acts 2 was a one‑time Jewish event that saved ZERO Gentiles. Acts 19 wasn't a Christian pattern, it was Paul updating a group of JEWISH disciples of John who had never heard the gospel. Acts 19 is not a salvation pattern. It's Paul converting Jews who were still stuck in John's baptism, pre Acts 10.

The only universal pattern is the 1st Gentiles saved in Acts 10: They heard the gospel, they believed, & Jesus baptized them with the Holy Spirit before water, before tongues, before emotion.

So until you can explain why Jesus saved Cornelius without your sweating‑crying‑shaking experience, your entire argument collapses. You're defending your feelings, not the gospel.

You've called me unsaved, prideful, an arm of the devil & said I have blood on my hands. Now you close with God bless you? LOL give me a break!
 
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Every time you blather on about how YOU claim the New Testament says a person is saved, you run back to feelings: sweating, crying, shaking & campfire stories. None of that is the gospel. Paul didn't say, ""After you sweat, cry, & shake you're sealed."" He said, AFTER you heard - AFTER you believed - you were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13).

Your emotional testimony is not doctrinally supported by Scripture.

You keep throwing Acts 2 & Acts 19 around, but neither one supports your experience‑based salvation: Acts 2 was a one‑time Jewish event that saved ZERO Gentiles. Acts 19 wasn't a Christian pattern, it was Paul updating a group of JEWISH disciples of John who had never heard the gospel. Acts 19 is not a salvation pattern. It's Paul converting Jews who were still stuck in John's baptism, pre Acts 10.

The only universal pattern is the 1st Gentiles saved in Acts 10: They heard the gospel, they believed, & Jesus baptized them with the Holy Spirit before water, before tongues, before emotion.

So until you can explain why Jesus saved Cornelius without your sweating‑crying‑shaking experience, your entire argument collapses. You're defending your feelings, not the gospel.

You've called me unsaved, prideful, an arm of the devil & said I have blood on my hands. Now you close with God bless you? LOL give me a break!

I tried to show you, since JESUS has not filled you yet, expectance from other who HE has.

I need to keep things short so I don't get story time lest's just stick to scripture.

Why do you bring up what Paul said in Epn which is to a church who are not unsaved AND CLAIM IT IS FOR YOU.

Then you say what Paul did in Acts 19 is not for everyone?

What do you think of Acts 19:10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

Greeks are Gentiles.

Now lets look at Acts 9:15 (JESUS talking to Ananias) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

So three questions,

1. Why do you say Paul was only for the Gentiles?

2. When JESUS filled Cornelius his faimly and his friends with the Holy Ghost why do you say no mention of toungues?

Peter in Acts 10:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

3. How do we get rid of our sins?
 
Yet is is also true that only the doers of the Law of God will be justified (Romans 2:13),
Two category's that must be kept separate JUSTIFICATION - SANCTIFICATION

Justification is God's once‑for‑all verdict grounded in Savior' sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection, received by faith apart from works.

Justification = positional, legal, unchanging. GOD ""judicially declares"" the ungodly righteous on the basis of faith in Christ' finished work (Rom 4:5). It never increases, decreases, or fluctuates.

Paul makes this distinction explicit: To the one who does not work but believes, his faith is ""counted as righteousness."" (Rom 4:5). David describes the blessedness of the man to whom God ""imputes righteousness apart from works"". (Rom 4:6). Blessed is the man to whom ""the Lord will not impute sin."" (Rom 4:8).

Romans 3:24, Justified freely by His grace through Christ.
Romans 3:26, God is the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:28, A person is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 3:30, God justifies Jew & Gentile through faith.
Romans 4:5, God justifies the ungodly; faith is counted as righteousness.
Romans 4:6, Righteousness is imputed apart from works.
Romans 4:16, The promise is by faith, so it may be by grace.
Romans 5:1, Being justified by faith, we have peace with God.
 
Two category's that must be kept separate JUSTIFICATION - SANCTIFICATION

Justification is God's once‑for‑all verdict grounded in Savior' sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection, received by faith apart from works.
The only way to become righteous is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to be righteous is to be a doer of righteous works in obedience to the Law of God (1 John 3:4-7), so it would be contradictory for someone to become righteous apart from becoming a doer of righteous works. This is why the faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works also upholds the Law of God (Romans 3:28-31). The Law of God was never given as a way of becoming righteous even as the result of perfect obedience, but rather it was given to describe the life of someone who is righteous as it describes the life of Christ, so it is what we get to experience being a doer of by being given the gift of righteousness through faith.

While it is is true that Abraham was declared righteous because he believed God (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he was a doer of righteous works because he believed God (Genesis 18:19) and that he obeyed the command to offer Isaac because he believed God (Hebrews 11:17), so the faith by which he was declared righteous was also embodied through his works, but he did not earn his righteousness as the result of his works. In James 2:21-24, it quote Genesis 15:6 to support saying that Abraham was declared righteous by his works when he offered Isaac, that his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was declared righteous by his works insofar as they embodied his faith but not insofar as they were earning it as a wage.

Justification = positional, legal, unchanging. GOD ""judicially declares"" the ungodly righteous on the basis of faith in Christ' finished work (Rom 4:5). It never increases, decreases, or fluctuates.
In Genesis 38:26 and 1 Samuel 24:17, they said that the other was more righteous than them.

Paul makes this distinction explicit: To the one who does not work but believes, his faith is ""counted as righteousness."" (Rom 4:5). David describes the blessedness of the man to whom God ""imputes righteousness apart from works"". (Rom 4:6). Blessed is the man to whom ""the Lord will not impute sin."" (Rom 4:8).

Romans 3:24, Justified freely by His grace through Christ.
Romans 3:26, God is the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:28, A person is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 3:30, God justifies Jew & Gentile through faith.
Romans 4:5, God justifies the ungodly; faith is counted as righteousness.
Romans 4:6, Righteousness is imputed apart from works.
Romans 4:16, The promise is by faith, so it may be by grace.
Romans 5:1, Being justified by faith, we have peace with God.
Again, it is speaking about works done in order to earn it as the result. The only way for someone to attain a character trait is through faith but what it means to have a character trait is to be a doer of works that embody that trait. So the only way for someone to become courageous is by faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but it would be contradictory for someone to become courageous apart from becoming a doer of courageous works, and the same is true for righteousness and every other character trait. Labels only have value insofar as what they communicate is true, so to say that God is righteous is to say that He is a doer of righteous works and it would be contradictory to say that God is righteous if He were not. If I watched a movie and then declared that the main character was honorable, then they did not suddenly become more honorable than they were before I made that declaration and I would not be declaring that they did enough works in order to become honorable as the result, but rather I would simply be recognizing that that they believed that they ought to be a doer of honorable works, and the same is true for righteousness and every other character trait.
 
We're under a post death & resurrection covenant. At justification eternal life sealed by the Holy Spirit.
That doesn't change that people can be more righteous than others or the way to become righteous or what it means to be righteous.
 
That doesn't change that people can be more righteous than others or the way to become righteous or what it means to be righteous.
The following God Given-Gifts are received by FAITH ALONE: Christ's a declaration of righteousness (Rom 4:5 & 5:17-18), Christ's Holy Spirit (Acts 10:45, 11:17), Eternal life (Rom 6:23, Jn 5:24) & GRACE - ALL given freely & received thru FAITH: Rom 3:24, 4:16, 5:1-2, 15, ""11:6"" ""Eph 2:5 & 8""
 
The following God Given-Gifts are received by FAITH ALONE: Christ's a declaration of righteousness (Rom 4:5 & 5:17-18), Christ's Holy Spirit (Acts 10:45, 11:17), Eternal life (Rom 6:23, Jn 5:24) & GRACE - ALL given freely & received thru FAITH: Rom 3:24, 4:16, 5:1-2, 15, ""11:6"" ""Eph 2:5 & 8""
Again, there is a difference between the way to become righteous and what it means to become righteous. The only way to become righteous is through faith alone apart from being required to have first done enough righteous works in order earn it as the result, but what it means to become righteous is to become a doer of righteous works in obedience to the Law of God (1 John 3:4-7), so it would be contradictory for someone to become righteous apart from becoming a doer of righteous works. We can't earn our righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God because it was never given as a way of doing that in the first place, but rather it was given to describe the iife of someone who is righteous as it describes the life of Christ, so it was what we get to experience beging a doer of by being given the gift of the righteousness through faith.
 
Again, there is a difference between the way to become righteous and what it means to become righteous. The only way to become righteous is through faith alone apart from being required to have first done enough righteous works in order earn it as the result, but what it means to become righteous is to become a doer of righteous works in obedience to the Law of God (1 John 3:4-7), so it would be contradictory for someone to become righteous apart from becoming a doer of righteous works. We can't earn our righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God because it was never given as a way of doing that in the first place, but rather it was given to describe the iife of someone who is righteous as it describes the life of Christ, so it was what we get to experience beging a doer of by being given the gift of the righteousness through faith.
denotes the act of pronouncing righteous, justification, acquittal;" "to justify" it is used twice in the Ep. to the Romans, and there alone in the NT, signifying the establishment of a person as just by acquittal from guilt.

In Romans 4:25 the phrase "for our justification," is, lit., "because of our justification" (parallel to the preceding clause "for our trespasses," i.e., because of trespasses committed), and means, not with a view to our "justification," but because all that was necessary on God's part for our "justification" had been effected in the death of Christ. On this account He was raised from the dead. The propitiation being perfect and complete, His resurrection was the confirmatory counterpart.


Works based salvation collapse right here > Justification = POSITIONAL announcement decreed by a sovereign creator God a judicial declaration.

Romans 3:24, Justified freely by His grace through Christ.
Romans 3:26, God is the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:28, A person is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 3:30, God justifies Jew & Gentile through faith.
Romans 4:5, God justifies the ungodly; faith is counted as righteousness.
Romans 4:6, Righteousness is imputed apart from works.
Romans 4:16, The promise is by faith, so it may be by grace.
Romans 5:1, Being justified by faith, we have peace with God.

Other POSITIONAL statements:

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 Cor 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1 Cor 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Justified by faith in the lord Jesus finished sin atoning work. HE DID ALL THE WORK! We just need to trust Him.