Hal Lindsay dies at 95

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My parents read his first series of books. I still have those.

He died just days after his birthday.

Rest in God's peace sir. You shall be missed.
 

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Looking forward to seeing him on the other side of the veil(y):unsure::coffee::)
Thank you Lord for His ministry
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My parents read his first series of books. I still have those.

He died just days after his birthday.

Rest in God's peace sir. You shall be missed.
The impact of The Late Great Planet Earth cannot be overstated. The New York Times called it the "no. 1 non-fiction bestseller of the decade." For Christians and non-Christians of the 1970s, Hal Lindsey's blockbuster served as a wake-up call on events soon to come and events already unfolding -- all leading up to the greatest event of all: the return of Jesus Christ. The years since have confirmed Lindsey's insights into what biblical prophecy says about the times we live in. Whether you're a church-going believer or someone who wouldn't darken the door of a Christian institution, the Bible has much to tell you about the imminent future of this planet. In the midst of an out-of-control generation, it reveals a grand design that's unfolding exactly according to plan. The rebirth of Israel. The threat of war in the Middle East. An increase in natural catastrophes. The revival of Satanism and witchcraft. These and other signs, foreseen by prophets from Moses to Jesus, portend the coming of an antichrist . . . of a war which will bring humanity to the brink of destruction . . . and of incredible deliverance for a desperate, dying planet.

https://www.amazon.com/Late-Great-Planet-Earth/dp/031027771X

I never read his books. He opens up the Late Great Planet Earth with a discussion of being at a party with a palm reader, astrology, books on astrology, Cayce, Dixon, and other psychics and of course demon possessed people. It is clear that his focus is not on these things but on the Hebrew prophets, but the opening was just too much for me to get through. Every thing he said may have been true, but his conclusion that people are obsessed with knowing the future was not the lesson I took from it. I would say people are obsessed with the occult.

So this is from Wikipedia

The Late Great Planet Earth is a treatment of dispensational premillennialism. As such, it compared end-time prophecies in the Bible with then-current events in an attempt to predict future scenarios resulting in the rapture of believers before the Great Tribulation and Second Coming of Jesus to establish his thousand-year (i.e. millennial) kingdom on Earth. Emphasizing various passages in the books of Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation, Lindsey originally suggested the possibility that these climactic events might occur during the 1980s, which he interpreted as one generation from the foundation of modern Israel during 1948, a major event according to some conservative evangelical schools of eschatological thought. Cover art of the Bantam edition suggested that the 1970s were the "era of the Antichrist as foretold by Moses and Jesus," and termed the book "a penetrating look at incredible ancient prophecies involving this generation." Descriptions of alleged "fulfilled" prophecy were offered as proof of the infallibility of God's word, and evidence that "unfulfilled" prophecies would soon find their denouement in God's plan for the planet.

He cited an increase in the frequency of famines, wars and earthquakes, as major events just prior to the end of the world. He also foretold a Soviet invasion of Israel (War of Gog and Magog). Lindsey also predicted that the European Economic Community, which preceded the European Union, was destined (according to Biblical prophecy) to become a "United States of Europe", which in turn he says is destined to become a "Revived Roman Empire" ruled by the Antichrist. Lindsey wrote that he had concluded, since there was no apparent mention of America in the books of Daniel or Revelation, that America would not be a major geopolitical power by the time the tribulations of the end times arrived. He found little in the Bible that could represent the U.S., but he suggested that Ezekiel 38:13 could be speaking of the U.S. in part.

Although Lindsey did not claim to know the dates of future events with any certainty, he suggested that Matthew 24:32-34 indicated that Jesus' return might be within "one generation" of the rebirth of the state of Israel, and the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple, and Lindsey asserted that "in the Bible" one generation is forty years. Some readers accepted this as an indication that the Tribulation or the Rapture would occur no later than 1988. In his 1980 work The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon, Lindsey predicted that "the decade of the 1980s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it".
 

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Sounds like you leaned on your own understanding.
We must take ALL things to Him for His guidance on the actions we are to take.
I and most benefited greatly from his ministry.
blessings
 

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The impact of The Late Great Planet Earth cannot be overstated. The New York Times called it the "no. 1 non-fiction bestseller of the decade." For Christians and non-Christians of the 1970s, Hal Lindsey's blockbuster served as a wake-up call on events soon to come and events already unfolding -- all leading up to the greatest event of all: the return of Jesus Christ. The years since have confirmed Lindsey's insights into what biblical prophecy says about the times we live in. Whether you're a church-going believer or someone who wouldn't darken the door of a Christian institution, the Bible has much to tell you about the imminent future of this planet. In the midst of an out-of-control generation, it reveals a grand design that's unfolding exactly according to plan. The rebirth of Israel. The threat of war in the Middle East. An increase in natural catastrophes. The revival of Satanism and witchcraft. These and other signs, foreseen by prophets from Moses to Jesus, portend the coming of an antichrist . . . of a war which will bring humanity to the brink of destruction . . . and of incredible deliverance for a desperate, dying planet.

https://www.amazon.com/Late-Great-Planet-Earth/dp/031027771X

I never read his books. He opens up the Late Great Planet Earth with a discussion of being at a party with a palm reader, astrology, books on astrology, Cayce, Dixon, and other psychics and of course demon possessed people. It is clear that his focus is not on these things but on the Hebrew prophets, but the opening was just too much for me to get through. Every thing he said may have been true, but his conclusion that people are obsessed with knowing the future was not the lesson I took from it. I would say people are obsessed with the occult.

So this is from Wikipedia

The Late Great Planet Earth is a treatment of dispensational premillennialism. As such, it compared end-time prophecies in the Bible with then-current events in an attempt to predict future scenarios resulting in the rapture of believers before the Great Tribulation and Second Coming of Jesus to establish his thousand-year (i.e. millennial) kingdom on Earth. Emphasizing various passages in the books of Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation, Lindsey originally suggested the possibility that these climactic events might occur during the 1980s, which he interpreted as one generation from the foundation of modern Israel during 1948, a major event according to some conservative evangelical schools of eschatological thought. Cover art of the Bantam edition suggested that the 1970s were the "era of the Antichrist as foretold by Moses and Jesus," and termed the book "a penetrating look at incredible ancient prophecies involving this generation." Descriptions of alleged "fulfilled" prophecy were offered as proof of the infallibility of God's word, and evidence that "unfulfilled" prophecies would soon find their denouement in God's plan for the planet.

He cited an increase in the frequency of famines, wars and earthquakes, as major events just prior to the end of the world. He also foretold a Soviet invasion of Israel (War of Gog and Magog). Lindsey also predicted that the European Economic Community, which preceded the European Union, was destined (according to Biblical prophecy) to become a "United States of Europe", which in turn he says is destined to become a "Revived Roman Empire" ruled by the Antichrist. Lindsey wrote that he had concluded, since there was no apparent mention of America in the books of Daniel or Revelation, that America would not be a major geopolitical power by the time the tribulations of the end times arrived. He found little in the Bible that could represent the U.S., but he suggested that Ezekiel 38:13 could be speaking of the U.S. in part.

Although Lindsey did not claim to know the dates of future events with any certainty, he suggested that Matthew 24:32-34 indicated that Jesus' return might be within "one generation" of the rebirth of the state of Israel, and the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple, and Lindsey asserted that "in the Bible" one generation is forty years. Some readers accepted this as an indication that the Tribulation or the Rapture would occur no later than 1988. In his 1980 work The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon, Lindsey predicted that "the decade of the 1980s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it".
There are doctrines in here that I was definitely influenced by

1. The assumption that the Jewish Temple must be built again -- I now believe that is false. Yes the sacrifices and oblations must resume, but the only verse I can find on this subject says that the Tabernacle of David will be raised again. The verses in the NT that are translated as "Temple" should be translated as "Holy Place". There is a Holy Place and Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle just as much as in the temple.

2. I remember when we questioned what a generation was and thought it might be 40 years, hence 1948 to 1988. Since that time I think we have tied Moses Psalm saying a generation is 70 years, 80 if it is strong (with the word strong indicating obstinate and rebellious). That led people to think 2018 to 2028 as key dates. However, I now understand that a decade like 70 would mean 65-74 years, and 80 would mean 75-84 years.

3. There is also a lot of careful investigation of this "revived Roman Empire" and I think the latest conclusion is that it will actually be an Islamic Caliphate instead. History and prophecies about the various beasts and empires is not something I focus on, but apparently there are quite a few prophecies which when put together indicate the final beast will be this Islamic caliphate.
 

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Sounds like you leaned on your own understanding.
We must take ALL things to Him for His guidance on the actions we are to take.
I and most benefited greatly from his ministry.
blessings
Yes, I can see that although I didn't read his books the same things he was teaching I was hearing from others.

Another thing he taught was that the US is not in Bible prophecy. I also heard that and so a number of theories popped up. However, if you take the generation to be 70-80 years then it is absurd to think that the US is not in prophecy. We are talking about 2013-2032. We are currently in 2024 and the US is the supreme superpower.

Because of that many have done a much more careful investigation of the scriptures.

1. I believe that Dumitri Duduman was a modern day Jonah and that the US was a modern day Nineveh. The main crime of Nineveh was slavery and that certainly applies to the US as well. His preaching began in 1984 and so I believe the 40 years for the US expires in 2024.

2. Wilkerson said that if God didn't judge the US then He would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. When the Lord said the start of the judgment would be like the days of Lot I think that is a reference to the fire falling on the US at the start of the tribulation.

3. Duduman did a very good job as have others showing that "Mystery, Babylon the Great" is a reference to the USA and that the judgment on them in Revelation 18 is what starts the tribulation.

4. However, there are verses that would indicate that "Mystery, Babylon the Great" is a reference to Israel. I also agree, because I think that Ephraim, a name given to the ten tribes representing the Northern Kingdom of Israel, can be applied to the USA. The blessing to scientists is the blessing that Jacob gave to Joseph, and Joseph had two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim. I think Manasseh refers to German scientists and Ephraim refers to the US becoming the greater scientific power after Germany.
 

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He jump started a focus on the prophecies which was necessary and so that is certainly a very good thing from the Lord. He also demonstrated how difficult it is to do that study without injecting your own opinions, theories and errors.

That said here are two critics with their reviews of the movie.
People magazine said, "Lindsey splices Bible prophecies of doom with contemporary signs. For instance, he says the Bible pinpoints Israel's rebirth as a nation as the catalyst to Judgment Day, which will probably occur by 1988. The intervening years will see the emergence of a 10-nation confederacy (prophet Daniel's dreadful 10-horned beast) or, as Lindsey sees it, the European Common Market. Eventually Russia (biblical Magog) will attack Israel and precipitate a global nuclear war. Only Jesus' followers will be spared. Hence, Lindsey advises, "the only thing you need to understand is that God offers you in Jesus Christ a full pardon."[6]

This review was not so bad. But he did get tempted to say it would probably take place in 1988. The next one is a mocking review. Apparently Marc has "a love hate relationship with nuclear holocaust". I would not want to have to answer for these words at the judgment.

Marc Jacobson wrote in The Village Voice, "Therein lies the major fault of The Late Great Planet Earth. To me, the Apocalypse is an intensely personal thing. I really don't need some self-help creep handing out a cover version. Every thinking human can and should conjure up his own version of doom, just like the graybeards in the Bible did. Screw ecologists. I stand with Carl Sandburg-a factory is as beautiful as a tree. Nuclear power doesn't scare me either. Not at all. I like watching slow-motion films of mushroom clouds; they have a restful, narcotic effect on me. Some day I hope to watch a four-hour VTR tape of A-bomb explosions on a seven-foot TV screen as I drink beer. In fact, I think it's fair to say I have a love-hate relationship with nuclear holocaust."[7]
 

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Great how He continues to reach out and encounter His Own, who He foreknew, I am thankful you continued seeking.
Melissa,at Midnight Hour Oil receives and shares dreams and visions, the Lord directed me to her and John Fenn years ago, Melissa shared that Harpazo as if we are being "snatched from the fire", that correlates if the U.S does indeed receive judgement. However, there is no nation that doers more to fight slavery than the U.S.
David Barton shares a lot of truth on the real history of the U.S. concerning this-
 

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However, there is no nation that doers more to fight slavery than the U.S.
David Barton shares a lot of truth on the real history of the U.S. concerning this-
This is why all judgment is given to the Lord Jesus. Only 25% of Southerners owned slaves, and the South only represented a third of the US population. Of those almost all slave owners only had two slaves, a husband and wife, that helped the farmer. In many cases they were like partners and those slaves had no ill will towards them. Only a very small percent of slave holders were plantation owners, perhaps less than 1% of all Americans at the time and yet those are the ones that the movies are made about (Django, etc). However, their sins were very real and very evil. Some assume that the US fights slavery because the vast majority of Americans are against it. But in reality that is hardly any different from America prior to the Civil War. Epstein Island, Diddy parties, and Biden facilitating human trafficking has shown that the 1% of slave holders have not changed, they are still very real, very hypocritical, and very evil. Consider Lebron James trying to be Mr. Social Justice Warrior while profiting off of child labor in Asia talking about how great Diddy parties are.
 

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There are doctrines in here that I was definitely influenced by

1. The assumption that the Jewish Temple must be built again -- I now believe that is false. Yes the sacrifices and oblations must resume, but the only verse I can find on this subject says that the Tabernacle of David will be raised again. The verses in the NT that are translated as "Temple" should be translated as "Holy Place". There is a Holy Place and Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle just as much as in the temple.

2. I remember when we questioned what a generation was and thought it might be 40 years, hence 1948 to 1988. Since that time I think we have tied Moses Psalm saying a generation is 70 years, 80 if it is strong (with the word strong indicating obstinate and rebellious). That led people to think 2018 to 2028 as key dates. However, I now understand that a decade like 70 would mean 65-74 years, and 80 would mean 75-84 years.

3. There is also a lot of careful investigation of this "revived Roman Empire" and I think the latest conclusion is that it will actually be an Islamic Caliphate instead. History and prophecies about the various beasts and empires is not something I focus on, but apparently there are quite a few prophecies which when put together indicate the final beast will be this Islamic caliphate.
There can be no abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet and Jesus unless there is a temple.

At the least there must be a tabernacle with a Most Holy Place. The whole world will witness this event./
 

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There can be no abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet and Jesus unless there is a temple.

At the least there must be a tabernacle with a Most Holy Place. The whole world will witness this event./
Yes, but there is no verse that says the Jews will rebuild a third temple prior to the Antichrist. Some have reference the temple in Ezekiel but there is no way that temple is built in the next few years, rather it sounds much more like the New Jerusalem that descends from heaven at the end of the Millennial reign. However, there is a verse that says the Tabernacle of David will be raised again.
 

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the worse sin is always the other persons it seems, we who claim to be Christian have allowed this, within us is the same spirit and power Jesus walked in, yet often we focus on this world and events rather that keeping our focus on things above as He requires.
Perhaps you and others have heard this as well, " great minds speak of the abstract, ( God, ideas, etc.), average minds talk of events, small minds talk about people",
If He is bringing these wrongful things to mind and before us, it is His call to us to prayerfully intercede, and live that our prayers are effectual.
Trouble down here is never from His end, they are from our failure, each of us.
blessings
 

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Yes, but there is no verse that says the Jews will rebuild a third temple prior to the Antichrist. Some have reference the temple in Ezekiel but there is no way that temple is built in the next few years, rather it sounds much more like the New Jerusalem that descends from heaven at the end of the Millennial reign. However, there is a verse that says the Tabernacle of David will be raised again.
Once again.

Prophecy states in the last days. that the future world leader will enter the most holy place. and commit the abomination of desolation. It also states the word will see this abomination standing in the holy place (Jesus in matt 24)

So to say there will be no temple for this to occur is just wrong.

None of these can happen without a temple..
 

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Yes, but there is no verse that says the Jews will rebuild a third temple prior to the Antichrist. Some have reference the temple in Ezekiel but there is no way that temple is built in the next few years, rather it sounds much more like the New Jerusalem that descends from heaven at the end of the Millennial reign. However, there is a verse that says the Tabernacle of David will be raised again.
Oct.7 occurred as the satan worshiping muslims know the Red Heifer sacrifice is very near, paving the way for the Temple to be restored as per His Word.
 

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Once again.

Prophecy states in the last days. that the future world leader will enter the most holy place. and commit the abomination of desolation. It also states the word will see this abomination standing in the holy place (Jesus in matt 24)

So to say there will be no temple for this to occur is just wrong.

None of these can happen without a temple..
No, none of these things can happen without a holy place. There is a holy place in the Tabernacle.
 

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Oct.7 occurred as the satan worshiping muslims know the Red Heifer sacrifice is very near, paving the way for the Temple to be restored as per His Word.
No, the sacrifice of the red heifers paves the way for sacrifices and oblations to be resumed. It doesn't matter if they are being done in the outer court of the tabernacle or of the temple.

All of the verses that people use to say there must be a temple do not say that. They simply say there must be a holy place and there must be sacrifices and oblations. All of that can be a reference to the tabernacle.

But let's consider the red heifers. I understand they must be sacrificed within the next few months. At that point the sacrifices and oblations will begin. But, no temple.

I am not saying they will not build a temple, what I am saying is that I have not found any verse in the Bible that says they will build a temple. Herod's temple took 40 years to build. Christians have this false sense of security thinking as long as there is no temple there will not be a tribulation. That is false. They have the tabernacle and it could be raised in a weekend.
 

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No, none of these things can happen without a holy place. There is a holy place in the Tabernacle.
well there is no tabernacle right now either.

Also. when Jesus returns. Where is he going to set up his kingdom? In a tabernacle? Or in the temple.

Israel has everything they need to build a temple. the only thing standing in the way is the dome of the rock. However. alot of research is showing that the temple was actually lower that that outside the western wall. If you could get the fundamental judiaists to agree to that, they could start building tomorrow (it is basically an unused parking lot)
 

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well there is no tabernacle right now either.

Also. when Jesus returns. Where is he going to set up his kingdom? In a tabernacle? Or in the temple.

Israel has everything they need to build a temple. the only thing standing in the way is the dome of the rock. However. alot of research is showing that the temple was actually lower that that outside the western wall. If you could get the fundamental judiaists to agree to that, they could start building tomorrow (it is basically an unused parking lot)
Actually Israel does have the tabernacle right now. It has not been raised yet because you first need to sacrifice the red heifers.
 

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Actually Israel does have the tabernacle right now. It has not been raised yet because you first need to sacrifice the red heifers.
I doubt Jesus is going to set up his kingdom in a tent. Yes they have a tabernacle (tent) set up. But their goal is the temple. which all it will take is a swipe of a pen and it will be built.
 

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well there is no tabernacle right now either.

Also. when Jesus returns. Where is he going to set up his kingdom? In a tabernacle? Or in the temple.

Israel has everything they need to build a temple. the only thing standing in the way is the dome of the rock. However. alot of research is showing that the temple was actually lower that that outside the western wall. If you could get the fundamental judiaists to agree to that, they could start building tomorrow (it is basically an unused parking lot)
His kingdom is in you.