Harvesting of the Earth

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When Jesus said all the things to jews, He is blessing them, not cursing them.

When jew leaders telling crowd to shout to crucify Jesus, they are cursing jews, not blessing jews.

Blessing, or cursing, to modern day ethnic jew, you choice.
 
GaryA said:
You really should look at the whole picture being represented in this passage:

Revelation 14:

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Verses 14-16 are an illustration of the rapture at the Second Coming of Christ.

Verses 17-20 are an illustration of the "dishing out" of the Wrath of God upon the earth.
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No.
It clearly can not be.
Context.
Why are the 144,000 called firststfruits?
Because they are.
They cannot be jewish firstfruits without a following main Jewish harvest.
Rev 14 :14 is the main Jewish harvest.

Impossible for it to be the church.
 
Drich said:
when Jesus comes back He is not coming as another sacrificial lamb (Nice guy turn the other cheek etc..) He is coming at the head of an angel army to take vengeance on the Beast and all who are left that worship Him. Because in rev 6 and 7 we learn that the whole Church (Gentile church) is martyred because they will not take the mark of the beast. So god is pouring out his vengence on the earth, and bringing everyone left before the throne of judgement. (He is killing everyone left.)
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Jesus taught a pretrib rapture .
Acts 1 is against your model of one coming also.
Rev 14:14 also reveals a one coming theory to be totally false.
 
Psalm1 said:
No.
It clearly can not be.
Context.
Why are the 144,000 called firststfruits?
Because they are.
They cannot be jewish firstfruits without a following main Jewish harvest.
Rev 14 :14 is the main Jewish harvest.

Impossible for it to be the church.
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I believe the 144,000 are mortal. After all, if they were resurrected and had a glorified body - why would they need to have the seal of God in their foreheads so that they would not be hurt by the locusts? (or anything else)

Could a saint with a glorified body possibly be harmed by anything going on in the 'physical' realm?

And - I am thinking that anyone with a glorified body would not need the mark in their forehead - would it not be obvious already?

I believe the 144,000 are [at least part of] the 'seed' of the mortal human race going into the Millennium.

Because, there will be a mortal human population during the Millennium.

Also - 'redeemed' does not necessarily mean 'resurrected'.
 
GaryA said:
I believe the 144,000 are mortal. After all, if they were resurrected and had a glorified body - why would they need to have the seal of God in their foreheads so that they would not be hurt by the locusts? (or anything else)

Could a saint with a glorified body possibly be harmed by anything going on in the 'physical' realm?

And - I am thinking that anyone with a glorified body would not need the mark in their forehead - would it not be obvious already?

I believe the 144,000 are [at least part of] the 'seed' of the mortal human race going into the Millennium.

Because, there will be a mortal human population during the Millennium.

Also - 'redeemed' does not necessarily mean 'resurrected'.
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It is beyond clear they are ethnic jews.

SMH.
 
Drich said:
Book chapter and verse of this teaching please.

Where specifically?

What is a 'one coming theory?' How does rev 14 prove it false?
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We see 3 distinct comings.
Separate comings without a doubt.

I already pointed to revelation 14 verse 14 where we see Jesus sitting on a cloud holding of sickle.
I don't know why that's so hard to just read in comprehension.

rev 19 has a totally separate invividly distinct coming.
Here's a tire is different. He has a sword in his mouth. He is on a white horse and right beside him. Is millions of white horses blackening the sky.

1 thes 4 has he had another coming with no horses? No sickle in cheese this is not sitting on a cloud.

a posribber has a very hard time, because he must change all those into one coming.

acts 1 has Jesus ascending to heaven alone, in a non tribulation setting with only his own beloved children in attendance, and watching him go up.
And the angels playing an indirect role.

test fit that against the 3 comings.
All but one are irrefutably impossible.
 
Drich said:
Book chapter and verse of this teaching please.

Where specifically?

What is a 'one coming theory?' How does rev 14 prove it false?
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Rev 14:14, is what I call the doctrinal nuclear bomb.
It is so clear what it is.
....and what it can not possibly be.
It is amazing how anyone can miss it
Just flat amazing.
 
Churchgoer said:
When Jesus said all the things to jews, He is blessing them, not cursing them.

When jew leaders telling crowd to shout to crucify Jesus, they are cursing jews, not blessing jews.

Blessing, or cursing, to modern day ethnic jew, you choice.
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Yes.
But if I do look at it from another perspective, I can only hope that "his blood be on us and our children", gets realigned to what us Christians pray; for ourselves ( to be covered in the blood of Jesus).

But yes...they hated Jesus.
 
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Psalm1 said:
Yes.
But if I do look at it from another perspective, I can only hope that "his blood be on us and our children", gets realigned to what us Christians pray; for ourselves ( to be covered in the blood of Jesus).

But yes...they hated Jesus.
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Have you ever heard sermons on "blood covenant " , absolutely amazing. That really opens up my eyes to see the ultimate gospel, blood covenant with Jesus.

This is the reason Jesus says He is the way, life, truth....
 
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Churchgoer said:
Have you ever heard sermons on "blood covenant " , absolutely amazing. That really opens up my eyes to see the ultimate gospel, blood covenant with Jesus.

This is the reason Jesus says He is the way, life, truth....
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This is so true.
It is so powerful.
Once salvation is framed in covenant, it brings definition to our walk.

God is somehow bound to rebellious humans.
Blows the mind.
 
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Psalm1 said:
This is so true.
It is so powerful.
Once salvation is framed in covenant, it brings definition to our walk.

God is somehow bound to rebellious humans.
Blows the mind.
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But I do believe God had us before the foundation of the world 🌎.

Indeed, very blessed.
 
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Psalm1 said:
We see 3 distinct comings.
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three separate time Jesus comes back?
Psalm1 said:
Separate comings without a doubt.
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Ok got it.
Psalm1 said:
I already pointed to revelation 14 verse 14 where we see Jesus sitting on a cloud holding of sickle.
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Well, hold up.. this passage does not stop at verse 14. this message goes down to verse 20. So while One LIKE the son Of Man holds a great sickle, what is being describe here is not focused on who is present, but why they are there and what they are doing.

The One like the son of man Harvested all of the wheat. Meaning He cut down the church/brought them to heaven.

Then there was another angel came out with another sickle and he harvested all of the grapes. (People who belonged to satan/those who take the mark of the beast. They where all smashed down into the wine press.

This passage in 14 does not say Jesus came, left and came back. These are the things Jesus did when He came back the one time. That is why I said do not look for hippy/love everyone like He did the first time.
Psalm1 said:
I don't know why that's so hard to just read in comprehension.
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When you never heard of this theory before, and you are the only exposure one has to this theory, just look at what you have written and then ask yourself did you leave out any details? (You do not provide enough information/bible citations for one to 'comperhend' this theory.
Psalm1 said:
rev 19 has a totally separate invividly distinct coming.
Here's a tire is different.
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What tire? Michelin? Bridgestone? goodyear? or maybe it was a discount tire like ling-long tire?
Psalm1 said:
He has a sword in his mouth. He is on a white horse and right beside him. Is millions of white horses blackening the sky. 1 thes 4 has he had another coming with no horses? No sickle in cheese this is not sitting on a cloud.
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The sword coming out of His mouth is a metaphor meaning Jesus could order death/people to be put to the sword with His word. The sword coming out of His mouth describes his power. Even so None of these verses says Jesus came did the one thing and left to come back a another time.

What in your mind is telling you that Jesus could not do all four things when He comes?
Psalm1 said:
a posribber has a very hard time, because he must change all those into one coming.
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Why would a post tribber be the only one who would naturally consolidate all four events into just one coming? I think any student of the bible who has not been trained to think otherwise would naturally consolidate everything you describe into one coming because the bible never mentions. Jesus coming and leaving just to come back again four different times.
Psalm1 said:
acts 1 has Jesus ascending to heaven alone, in a non tribulation setting with only his own beloved children in attendance, and watching him go up.
And the angels playing an indirect role.
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Psalm1 said:
test fit that against the 3 comings.
All but one are irrefutably impossible.
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This make 0 sense can you explain what you mean a little better?
 
Drich said:
three separate time Jesus comes back?

Ok got it.

Well, hold up.. this passage does not stop at verse 14. this message goes down to verse 20. So while One LIKE the son Of Man holds a great sickle, what is being describe here is not focused on who is present, but why they are there and what they are doing.

The One like the son of man Harvested all of the wheat. Meaning He cut down the church/brought them to heaven.

Then there was another angel came out with another sickle and he harvested all of the grapes. (People who belonged to satan/those who take the mark of the beast. They where all smashed down into the wine press.

This passage in 14 does not say Jesus came, left and came back. These are the things Jesus did when He came back the one time. That is why I said do not look for hippy/love everyone like He did the first time.

When you never heard of this theory before, and you are the only exposure one has to this theory, just look at what you have written and then ask yourself did you leave out any details? (You do not provide enough information/bible citations for one to 'comperhend' this theory.

What tire? Michelin? Bridgestone? goodyear? or maybe it was a discount tire like ling-long tire?

The sword coming out of His mouth is a metaphor meaning Jesus could order death/people to be put to the sword with His word. The sword coming out of His mouth describes his power. Even so None of these verses says Jesus came did the one thing and left to come back a another time.

What in your mind is telling you that Jesus could not do all four things when He comes?

Why would a post tribber be the only one who would naturally consolidate all four events into just one coming? I think any student of the bible who has not been trained to think otherwise would naturally consolidate everything you describe into one coming because the bible never mentions. Jesus coming and leaving just to come back again four different times.


This make 0 sense can you explain what you mean a little better?
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Why change it?
Why change it or even need it changed?
It clearly says sitting on a horse in Rev 19.
It clearly says he is sitting on a cloud in Rev 14.

BTW, it says nothing of wheat harvest in verse14.

The jew is the fruit harvest.
The church is grain.

Rev 14;14 debunks a one coming theory.

One coming omits purpose.
The other comings are not there for doctrine.
They have purpose.

You have to go back to "purpose"
 
GaryA said:
I believe the 144,000 are mortal. After all, if they were resurrected and had a glorified body - why would they need to have the seal of God in their foreheads so that they would not be hurt by the locusts? (or anything else)

Could a saint with a glorified body possibly be harmed by anything going on in the 'physical' realm?

And - I am thinking that anyone with a glorified body would not need the mark in their forehead - would it not be obvious already?

I believe the 144,000 are [at least part of] the 'seed' of the mortal human race going into the Millennium.

Because, there will be a mortal human population during the Millennium.

Also - 'redeemed' does not necessarily mean 'resurrected'.
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They are IN HEAVEN IN REV 14.

SO, NO THEY ARE NOT MORTAL.
WHETHER OR NOT they attend the mil is not a factor.
 
Omegatime said:
What is happening In Revelations 14:14

14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.”

16 So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.
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It's the wine of Judgment. Blood came out of the winepress.
 
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