Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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Peter is absolutely NOT the rock upon which the church is built.... that rock is Jesus... the cornerstone... the foundation.... Many references to this....
These magical "keys" you speak of are simply stating that Peter will be the one to "open the door" at Pentecost... the keys to the kingdom of God, built on the rock of Ages...

you are trying your hardest to make something physical out of this.... Peter was chosen to usher in the kingdom, so he figuratively had the keys to the kingdom...

good grief...
Excellent Description!
 
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Disciples most likely spoke either Aramaic or Hebrew. The word for big and small rock in Aramaic is the same. The translators may have changed it to masculine Petros, because the original Aramaic word is in feminine form.
this did not read like what you posted to me before. but this Post, of YOURS, is CORRECT, about SAME WORD DUAL MEANINGS!
 

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While Jesus is usually "The Rock" being referred to, the rock in this instance is the revelation by the Father of Jesus as the Christ.
 
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No one has the Hebrew of Matthew.
that doesn't allow us to imagine it said whatever we wish.

instead, what God chose to do, was give us Greek texts and a Latin translation of them.
Jerome copied the Hebrew Gospel, so, it does in fact exist.
not sure where you think your information is coming from but your Source is incorrect!

Not only did Jerome (374-420 A.D.) claim to have seen the Hebrew gospel, he said he had translated it and on several occasions he quoted from it (On Famous Men 2 & 3). Jerome confirmed, “the gospel in Hebrew letters which the Nazarenes use” (Against Pelagius III, 2), or “the gospel according to the Hebrews.” A much earlier writer, Papias, who was a disciple of John the apostle, stated that Matthew recorded the sayings of Jesus in Hebrew and everyone translated them as best he could (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History III, 39, 16). It is quite possible that Papias’ “Matthew” is the same as Jerome’s Hebrew gospel.

The gospel according to the Hebrews



one can say this is not Matthew, fine, but the fact is, it is One of the Gospels, and it was written in Hebrew.

but the real kicker is, read, this Version that Jerome Translated. it perfectly matches the Gospel of Matthew better than Mark, Luke, or John.

the FACT is, this Hebrew GOSPEL, that reads almost Identical to the Gospel of Matthew, did factually exist and we have Church Father((s)) confirming it and one who translated and quoted it like the True Gospel of CHRIST!

the fact that Jerome: translated and quoted it like the True Gospel of CHRIST, is a better and more reliable Source than anything else existing.
 
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for almost 50 years, Jerome's job, was to gather and examine EVERY KNOWN copy that existed relating to our Bible. from Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and to his own Latin, that was his sole life's duty.
and if JEROME, not only thought it VALUABLE to not just mention this Hebrew Gospel, but took the time to view (it) multiples times, translate it, and then the [[[[[[[TESTIMONIAL]]]]]]] of them ALL, QUOTED from IT, as if it came from JESUS HIMSELF, is ""extremely alarming"" how people claiming to be Followers of God [[could ever]] try to DENY IT!

who do you think YOU ARE?
 

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Read the messages to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Jesus dumps apostate churches. They may continue as earthly churches, but they have no Spirit...a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.
What makes you think those were the only churches at the time or that they were run by Peter or his successor? Pharisees were so apostate that Jesus CONDEMNED them, and yet he still told everyone to OBEY their authority.
 

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Put another way, do you agree and uphold or reject the RCC claims regarding Peter’s authority and succession and the Catholic understanding of the Two Keys?
That's what I'm trying to find out.
 

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Peter is absolutely NOT the rock upon which the church is built.... that rock is Jesus... the cornerstone... the foundation.... Many references to this....
These magical "keys" you speak of are simply stating that Peter will be the one to "open the door" at Pentecost... the keys to the kingdom of God, built on the rock of Ages...

you are trying your hardest to make something physical out of this.... Peter was chosen to usher in the kingdom, so he figuratively had the keys to the kingdom...

good grief...
What do the keys mean then? Isiah 22 has the same situation of a king giving special keys to his stewart; keys that are passed down to his successors.
 

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While Jesus is usually "The Rock" being referred to, the rock in this instance is the revelation by the Father of Jesus as the Christ.
Perhaps it is... that doesn't change the fact Jesus gave Peter the keys and nobody else.
 

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What makes you think those were the only churches at the time or that they were run by Peter or his successor? Pharisees were so apostate that Jesus CONDEMNED them, and yet he still told everyone to OBEY their authority.
These were the churches Paul started. As far as the Pharisees were concerned, the old covenant was still in place. And that covenant was made with a nation. So as long as the covenant was still active, God had to abide by its terms. Pharisaical authority was appropriate.
When the new covenant was put in place, God was no longer covenanting with a nation, but individual believers. As such, He is no longer obligated to be faithful to a nation or assembly, but only to the truly redeemed.
 

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Perhaps it is... that doesn't change the fact Jesus gave Peter the keys and nobody else.
Peter was given authority to shepherd the early church. He wasn't given authority to assign a successor.
 

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These were the churches Paul started. As far as the Pharisees were concerned, the old covenant was still in place. And that covenant was made with a nation. So as long as the covenant was still active, God had to abide by its terms. Pharisaical authority was appropriate.
When the new covenant was put in place, God was no longer covenanting with a nation, but individual believers. As such, He is no longer obligated to be faithful to a nation or assembly, but only to the truly redeemed.
Great point! However, that still doesn't refute the physical (albeit not spiritual) authority of those who are in the seat of Peter. Pharisees ruled until the end of the old covenant, and now the new Pharisees (Papists) rule until the 2nd coming of Jesus.
 

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Peter was given authority to shepherd the early church. He wasn't given authority to assign a successor.
Where does it say he wasn't allowed to name successors? Isiah 22 suggests otherwise.
 

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Great point! However, that still doesn't refute the physical (albeit not spiritual) authority of those who are in the seat of Peter. Pharisees ruled until the end of the old covenant, and now the new Pharisees (Papists) rule until the 2nd coming of Jesus.
If it's not a spiritual seat, it's not of God.
 

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The third fundamental rule of interpreting the Bible is this: the clear interprets the obscure, and never the other way around.

It is clear that God said His words would never pass away, yet in the name of an obscure verse, the popes through the centuries have tried to denigrate and diminish God’s word…
 

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If it's not a spiritual seat, it's not of God.
Pharisees weren't in the spiritual seat either, the priests were. The Bible also tells us to obey ALL authority, spiritual and physical.
 

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Where does it say he wasn't allowed to name successors? Isiah 22 suggests otherwise.
Just wondering if you understand what the key represents. Do you think this key was a literal key?
 

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Just like King Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven, in Isiah 22 a king gives his Stewart keys to the kingdom and his descendants or successors would inherit the keys. In both cases, the king still holds the ultimate authority, but the stewart is the carrier of that authority.