He became sin...???

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Mitspa said:
1 Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
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Since you are going to totally ignore the context of both Rom 6:6/7:4, I'll have to prove your cherished verses do not state what you infer.

Here's the context: 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins (our transgressions); and in him is no sin (transgression).

What's the subject, indwelling sin? No! Transgression of the law. So Christ never transgressed the law. That's all it is stating. Otherwise you're adding to the Scriptures.
 
Mitspa said:
Ro 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Here is what Roms 6:6 says in context...I don't even understand what point you think your making?...but clearly it is not in anyway nor can it be read in anyway to suggest that Jesus had indwelling sin.

So you can post it and add your error to it a million times..but it don't change the truth that Jesus did not have sin until He took our sin on the Cross.
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Paul is discussing baptism in the light of the gospel. The gospel saves and baptism is a symbol of that truth.
 
Heb 4:15 for we have not a chief priest unable to sympathise with our weaknesses, but one tempted in all things in like manner--apart from sin;
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Here's the NASB: 5 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin (transgression).
 
Roberth said:
Paul is discussing baptism in the light of the gospel. The gospel saves and baptism is a symbol of that truth.
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Yes ..of course so how in the world to you get Jesus had indwelling sin out of that? :confused:
 
Roberth said:
Here's the NASB: 5 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin (transgression).
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Who made the NASB king of the hill? That's not a literal translation ..the literal translation is "apart from sin"
 
Roberth said:
Since you are going to totally ignore the context of both Rom 6:6/7:4, I'll have to prove your cherished verses do not state what you infer.

Here's the context: 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins (our transgressions); and in him is no sin (transgression).

What's the subject, indwelling sin? No! Transgression of the law. So Christ never transgressed the law. That's all it is stating. Otherwise you're adding to the Scriptures.
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So in your mind "in Him is no sin" means In Him is sin? Are you kidding me?
 
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Heb 4:15 for we have not a chief priest unable to sympathise with our weaknesses, but one tempted in all things in like manner--apart from sin;

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
 
Roberth said:
Rom 6:6 states that "our old self", which is linked to "our body of sin", was crucified WITH (Christ). If my "old self" with it's "body of sin" was crucified with Him, then both these things were in Him as the son of man.
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Our iniquity and sin was placed upon the body of Jesus on the cross. This is how God imputed our sin to the Lamb of God who was crucified to take away our sin. Christ bore our sin in his body but he himself was the perfect sacrifice who knew no sin, mentally, emotionally, inwardly or outwardly and never was a partaker of any form of sin not even in identification with sinners as Adam did with his wife Eve. Our body of sin, that resides in the members or cells of our body, comes from inherit sin through Adam and it starts at conception. This body of sin was crucified by being laid upon Christ's own body of flesh, therefore he bore our sins within his own body of flesh on the tree (cross).

Jesus did not have a body of sin because he was conceived and born without it. We inherit sin from the man (the male) and not the woman. Jesus had an immaculate conception through a virgin (no copulation from any man). He was tempted in all points as we are, not from within but without, yet without sin. Sin had no dominion in him as we do in us from conception. He was the word made flesh and he dwelt among us never partaking of sin, not even with his tongue. Therefore sin (our sin nature inherited from Adam) and our sins (that were produced by the sin nature we inherited from Adam) were crucified with Christ through death.
 
Mitspa said:
So in your mind "in Him is no sin" means In Him is sin? Are you kidding me?
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No! Please, you can do better than this, Mitspa.... In Christ's life there was no transgression (no sin), however He assumed our indwelling iniquity (our bent) and therefore was tempted, as we are tempted, but without sin (transgression).

Now, notice the expression: "tempted as we are"

How are we tempted?

That's how Christ was tempted, as we are....We are tempted from within.
 
Roberth said:
No! Please, you can do better than this, Mitspa.... In Christ's life there was no transgression (no sin), however He assumed our indwelling iniquity (our bent) and therefore was tempted, as we are tempted, but without sin (transgression).

Now, notice the expression: "tempted as we are"

How are we tempted?

That's who Christ wast tempted, as we are....We are tempted from within.
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What your saying is just completely unbiblical, as I have already proven... He who knew no sin, took our sin, on the cross.
 
Roberth said:
No sir, you are unbibical and I've proven it. Sorry, but you're wrong.
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Im not sure where you proved it? I never seen any scripture that even suggest what your trying to say against Christ?


2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Heb 4:15 for we have not a chief priest unable to sympathise with our weaknesses, but one tempted in all things in like manner--apart from sin;

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
 
Mitspa said:
Yes ..of course so how in the world to you get Jesus had indwelling sin out of that? :confused:
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Because the gospel is how Christ rewrote our history from one of condemnation to justification. He did this by assuming us and in our fallen humanity obeyed God's law and in our humanity died the justice of His Father's law.
 
Roberth said:
The sin nature isn't an object that you can't place on someone.
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How do you know? That's like saying God cant do something because it don't make sense to you. How can Christ take your sin 2000 years before you was born?
 
Roberth said:
Because the gospel is how Christ rewrote our history from one of condemnation to justification. He did this by assuming us and in our fallen humanity obeyed God's law and in our humanity died the justice of His Father's law.
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No Christ took our sin on the Cross, He did not have indwelling sin...that's the gospel. A perfect, sinless Sacrifice
 
Mitspa said:
I never seen any scripture that even suggest what your trying to say against Christ?
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Against?

Let me explain to you what it means to be against, or anti-Christ:

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (sarx). This is a deceiver and an antichrist." 2 John 1:7
 
"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (sarx) is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3"
 
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