Heaven and earth

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In the beginning God created the heaven

and the earth.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The creation is both heaven and earth and this is how he apportioned it


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as stewards our place is here in prayer and hope we’re praying for the heavenly kingdom to come to earth and for his Will to be done on earth as it is done in heaven

“Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done in earth,

as it is in heaven.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice there are things happening in the ot in heaven and also on earth one creation but two realms one is Gods habitation the heavens and the other is mans habitation earth.

Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven,

and in the earth!”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭113:6‬ ‭

Through scripture telling us about the heavenly things we can begin to behold those things we can’t see physically , by faith

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We see the operation forming of how God can open the eyes and make see , those who hear his word with thier ears and believe with thier heart

Consider that we can actually just learn these things as if it’s the answer rather than try to “figure out what they could maybe mean “ and interpret them away into oblivion , we can just hear about what Gods saying and believe his word. It’s the difference in faith and intellect but by faith and because of Christ and the gospel the way is open now to see


“The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; And his kingdom ruleth over all.”( Matthew 28:18)
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭103:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so Gods throne is in heaven he rules over all we can believe this. And learn more details about these matters that can only be heard about and believed upon

“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men. From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. He fashioneth their hearts alike; He considereth all their works.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭33:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is able to see all from heaven on his throne ( the crystal sea of glass before the throne ) and is searching our hearts and considering our works he is testing and trying the reigns on our heart which leads us into action

“I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭17:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can hear about this and believe and learn more about it

In the ot As God is watching mankind early on after the transgression in Eden that cast man out he began to see this

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

through the Old Testament we hear about this constantly

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then at other times he intercedes and comes to earth for specific purposes we see more about how these are two seperated ( since Eden’s exile ) areas now heaven and earth.

“And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

…Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭11:5, 7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then the law of Moses he comes for a different purpose

“And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up. And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:18-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And other purposes

“And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬

“And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, And rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount Paran, And he came with ten thousands of saints: From his right hand went a fiery law for them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭33:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then visions also at times let people see into heaven

“and they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.”
Exodus‬ ‭24:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬

At times people would fast and pray asking God to look down from heaven on them on earth and help

“Till the LORD look down, And behold from heaven.”
‭‭Lamentations‬ ‭3:50‬ ‭

he is not pleased with what he sees as he looks from heaven into earth

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.

For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s come from heaven to earth in Christ for the first and last time and returned having won all victory for mankind having become one of them and overcame and then Returned to heaven

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

this is a few examples of many to establish a simple and basic fundamental truth that can really help us grasp and reconcile scripture. creation has two realms of existence created from the beginning the natural , the earthly . And the spiritual the eternal

It’s important because Christian’s are those who believe when thier body dies their spirit will live with Jesus forever in the other realm until later when he restores the earthly after it’s destroyed with fire .

We believe we are born of the spirit and when our flesh dies our spirit will come forth for the heavenly eternal things the house where God dwells

“Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (for we walk by faith, not by sight:)

we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as we get old these things become so much more valuable to accept and believe , Death loses it’s restraints and fear on us if we know it’s not the end . There really is a better place ahead of us that doesn’t end in death . God bless
 
In the beginning God created the heaven

and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The creation is both heaven and earth and this is how he apportioned it


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as stewards our place is here in prayer and hope we’re praying for the heavenly kingdom to come to earth and for his Will to be done on earth as it is done in heaven

“Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done in earth,

as it is in heaven.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice there are things happening in the ot in heaven and also on earth one creation but two realms one is Gods habitation the heavens and the other is mans habitation earth.

Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven,

and in the earth!”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭113:6‬ ‭

Through scripture telling us about the heavenly things we can begin to behold those things we can’t see physically , by faith

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We see the operation forming of how God can open the eyes and make see , those who hear his word with thier ears and believe with thier heart

Consider that we can actually just learn these things as if it’s the answer rather than try to “figure out what they could maybe mean “ and interpret them away into oblivion , we can just hear about what Gods saying and believe his word. It’s the difference in faith and intellect but by faith and because of Christ and the gospel the way is open now to see


“The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; And his kingdom ruleth over all.”( Matthew 28:18)
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭103:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so Gods throne is in heaven he rules over all we can believe this. And learn more details about these matters that can only be heard about and believed upon

“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men. From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. He fashioneth their hearts alike; He considereth all their works.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭33:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is able to see all from heaven on his throne ( the crystal sea of glass before the throne ) and is searching our hearts and considering our works he is testing and trying the reigns on our heart which leads us into action

“I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭17:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can hear about this and believe and learn more about it

In the ot As God is watching mankind early on after the transgression in Eden that cast man out he began to see this

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

through the Old Testament we hear about this constantly

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then at other times he intercedes and comes to earth for specific purposes we see more about how these are two seperated ( since Eden’s exile ) areas now heaven and earth.

“And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

…Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭11:5, 7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then the law of Moses he comes for a different purpose

“And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up. And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:18-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And other purposes

“And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬

“And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, And rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount Paran, And he came with ten thousands of saints: From his right hand went a fiery law for them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭33:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then visions also at times let people see into heaven

“and they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.”
Exodus‬ ‭24:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬

At times people would fast and pray asking God to look down from heaven on them on earth and help

“Till the LORD look down, And behold from heaven.”
‭‭Lamentations‬ ‭3:50‬ ‭

he is not pleased with what he sees as he looks from heaven into earth

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.

For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s come from heaven to earth in Christ for the first and last time and returned having won all victory for mankind having become one of them and overcame and then Returned to heaven

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

this is a few examples of many to establish a simple and basic fundamental truth that can really help us grasp and reconcile scripture. creation has two realms of existence created from the beginning the natural , the earthly . And the spiritual the eternal

It’s important because Christian’s are those who believe when thier body dies their spirit will live with Jesus forever in the other realm until later when he restores the earthly after it’s destroyed with fire .

We believe we are born of the spirit and when our flesh dies our spirit will come forth for the heavenly eternal things the house where God dwells

“Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (for we walk by faith, not by sight:)

we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as we get old these things become so much more valuable to accept and believe , Death loses it’s restraints and fear on us if we know it’s not the end . There really is a better place ahead of us that doesn’t end in death . God bless
This is a very nice synopsis. Not sure synopsis is the right word. Thnx for posting this.
 
This is a very nice synopsis. Not sure synopsis is the right word. Thnx for posting this.

basically an understanding that helps us later like for example in the book of revelation. The simultaneous existance of heaven and earth as two seperated realms co existing helps us see

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.( mark 16:19)

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

…And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 7, 9-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we accept the understanding of heaven and earth simultaneously existing revelation becomes much more relevant und understandable because the whole vision is partly happening in heaven and also spills out On earth

like the war in heaven after Satan lost he was cast out of heaven into the earth to continue warring against Gods people on earth.

through the entire Bible alot of the things that don’t make sense can be understood by starting on a proper foundation understsnding creation isn’t just what we can see but God also created the heavenly things we can’t yet see and both have been there since the beginning

it helps a lot to build understanding from scriptire then revelation makes more sense as do many other obscure seeming scripture ( not even sure what synopsis means lol ) this is more just an old fool
rambling on but thinking there’s some good to be found in there somewhere
 
basically an understanding that helps us later like for example in the book of revelation. The simultaneous existance of heaven and earth as two seperated realms co existing helps us see

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.( mark 16:19)

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

…And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 7, 9-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we accept the understanding of heaven and earth simultaneously existing revelation becomes much more relevant und understandable because the whole vision is partly happening in heaven and also spills out On earth

like the war in heaven after Satan lost he was cast out of heaven into the earth to continue warring against Gods people on earth.

through the entire Bible alot of the things that don’t make sense can be understood by starting on a proper foundation understsnding creation isn’t just what we can see but God also created the heavenly things we can’t yet see and both have been there since the beginning

it helps a lot to build understanding from scriptire then revelation makes more sense as do many other obscure seeming scripture ( not even sure what synopsis means lol ) this is more just an old fool
rambling on but thinking there’s some good to be found in there somewhere
It seems the Revelation is being revealed a piece by piece way. Maybe a brick at a time. Something like when the temple was being built and the sounds of the chiseling of stone was done away from the actual building.
 
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It seems the Revelation is being revealed a piece by piece way. Maybe a brick at a time. Something like when the temple was being built and the sounds of the chiseling of stone was done away from the actual building.

yeah I believe the Bible is all the same way the old things build a brick foundation and e new things build up the walls and ceiling until a house is built

You know revelations real title ? “ the apocalypse of John the apostle “

A way to translate that into our speak is “ “the uncovering “ like a curtain is being lifted that had things hidden before

revelation is like lifting the curtain on all of scripture beforehand it’s “an apocalypse “ of what was written before a revelation of who was always spoken about to show hope for the future
 
yeah I believe the Bible is all the same way the old things build a brick foundation and e new things build up the walls and ceiling until a house is built

You know revelations real title ? “ the apocalypse of John the apostle “

A way to translate that into our speak is “ “the uncovering “ like a curtain is being lifted that had things hidden before

revelation is like lifting the curtain on all of scripture beforehand it’s “an apocalypse “ of what was written before a revelation of who was always spoken about to show hope for the future
The foundation is Jesus Christ. And I do communion on my own to keep remembrance of that fact.
 
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The foundation is Jesus Christ. And I do communion on my own to keep remembrance of that fact.

yeah who does the word tell us about ? How do we know jesus is the foundation ?

because hearing the word is the foundation and source of faith witrout hearing the word no one can ever conclude that Jesus is the way truth and life
 
In the beginning God created the heaven

and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The creation is both heaven and earth and this is how he apportioned it

Yes. and everything in one week. Good night mister Scofield, RIP.
 
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Begins with faith, but it need not end there...
Romans 8:16
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”

yes brother the spirit testifies we who believe are Gods children

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

testifies that’s we are the children born of god

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭

“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭

“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:27‬ ‭

if we hear and believe the word of Christ it’s telling us “ you are the children “

faith is the beginning and end we just walk by what we learn from here

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭

And the effect is here

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the holy ghost and the word are one gods words are always filled with spirit
 
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Yes. and everything in one week. Good night mister Scofield, RIP.

amen but remember also the seven days applies to one creation later he said

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

god rested but then he began a new creation ahead through Christ
 
Genesis 1:1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

For there to have been a beginning, God would have been before the beginning.
 
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Genesis 1:1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

For there to have been a beginning, God would have been before the beginning.

yes of course he is eternal from everlasting from before the foundations of the world were set. the word seems to be the beginning not his beginning , but ours

“The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; The LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: The world also is stablished, That it cannot be moved. Thy throne is established of old: Thou art from everlasting.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭93:1-

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭


The creator spoke us into existance but your quite right he is eternal without beginning or end , we aren’t we are a product of his creativity and will to love and be loved and he’s giving us eternal life
 
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yes of course he is eternal from everlasting from before the foundations of the world were set. the word seems to be the beginning not his beginning , but ours

“The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; The LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: The world also is stablished, That it cannot be moved. Thy throne is established of old: Thou art from everlasting.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭93:1-

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭


The creator spoke us into existance but your quite right he is eternal without beginning or end , we aren’t we are a product of his creativity and will to love and be loved and he’s giving us eternal life

I wonder what God was doing before the creation of the material universe? I’ve read some commentaries that amount to speculation, but perhaps we just don’t know for sure.

I recall a quote by Jesus who said they had glory together. Intensely interested what that means.

John 17:5
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
 
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I wonder what God was doing before the creation of the material universe? I’ve read some commentaries that amount to speculation, but perhaps we just don’t know for sure.

I recall a quote by Jesus who said they had glory together. Intensely interested what that means.

John 17:5
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

that’s a pretty amazing question I think it’s beyond our capacity to comprehend yet whenever I run into something like that I remember that right now in the body we are all seeing like a poor reflection like a muddy puddle but when salvstion has come our mind and hearts capacity will be made clear as if we are looking face to face rather than seeing a murky reflection not sure to at makes sense but this probably will

“For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child:

but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I know he was up to something good but it’s hard to know really what it was we’re so small compared to him. As I’ve gotten old and observed a lot through life it’s quite a hope Jesus has offered in the gospel

better than anything in this world because it’s a promise for another better world beyond death and sorrow I believe he always is and was and will be and whatever he was doing somehow was geared towards what will be later

I believe everything he’s done is successive and aimed at one goal

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I wonder what we’re going to do for eternity also but I sure can hardly wait to find out it’s a good good plan he’s working out for us for sure

eternity behind us a bit much for me but eternity ahead is my hope I sort of think eternity is going to be alot like this life but without the sorrows and death disease and sin