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FreeNChrist
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No, I'll do you one better. Here's what Paul says about what you are doing.
"You foolish and thoughtless and superficial Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you would act like this, to whom—right before your very eyes—Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified, in the gospel message? This is all I want to ask of you: did you receive the Spirit as the result of obeying the requirements of the Law, or was it the result of hearing the message of salvation and with faith believing it? Are you so foolish and senseless? Having begun your new life by faith with the Spirit, are you now being perfected and reaching spiritual maturity by the flesh, that is, by your own works and efforts to keep the Law?" Gal. 3:1-3
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FreeNChrist
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How is my salvation through Christ alone "shipwrecked" by following God's commands for daily living?
So when Jesus says:
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
You think He really means He made it obsolete?
And you think that the Law Jesus Himself is saying to obey is different than His own Law?
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FreeNChrist
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The Law is not of faith. The righteous are those who live not by following the Law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.
So Paul's words are "one better" than Jesus'. Interesting.
Again, Paul's words in Galatians are to those using the Law to be justified. I am not doing that.
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FreeNChrist
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Pauls words are Jesus words. And his words are directed specifically to you and what you are doing.
Correct. I agree completely. And that is exactly where my righteousness lies: faith in Jesus Christ.
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FreeNChrist
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FreeNChrist
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Correct. So when the 2 passages seem to contradict each other, which one is the baseline for the other?
Not really. When you read all of Galatians, it is apparent that Paul is speaking to those who use the Law as means of justification, righteousness and salvation.
Again, I do not advocate that.
Show me this in the Old Testament. Show me where the OT states this.
Paul himself said the law is still alive, and we should not disobey it, yet you only quote the parts of Paul that fit your lawless agenda.
Paul was not the Messiah, unless you're a Sunday worshiping Christian that is. Paul is just a dude. A smart dude, and a Jewish dude who kept Torah all of his life, even unto the end. His writings were never intended to be church doctrine, but letters to fellow believers regarding specific issues. As far as I'm concerned, his letters do not erase the entire scriptures that he was teaching about. Paul didn't have volumes of new testament to sort through. The only "BIBLE" they had was the Torah and the prophets. If anything that Paul says changes anything in the Old Testament, it must be disregarded.
Do you think your god is a liar? Do you think he makes promises he then breaks? Do you really think he only intended his eternal law to be for a couple thousand years?
I have a question for those who cling to this apostasy. If God can so easily throw away his covenant, which he called eternal out of his own mouth, and make a "new covenant" with modern day Christianity, what makes you think he won't throw away his covenant with you? Hmmm....?
My god is everlasting, Alpha and Omega, and his faithfulness endures forever. I will never accuse him of breaking his promises, and I only hope that I am called to testify in the final judgement of you folks so that I can declare that yes, I saw you call Yahweh, the creator of the universe, a double-minded promise breaker.
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FreeNChrist
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There is no contradiction. And Paul is specifically addressing those like yourself who are advocating for returning to the Law as the means for living the Christian life.
Because the Holy Spirit teaches us how to live, and that includes the commands God Himself gave. You falsely assume that I only live by my own understanding of how to live, and that I do not live by the Holy Spirit.
Are the commands themselves bad or evil and any observance of them will result in evil? Or are they actually wise and beneficial instructions?
Correct. There is no contradiction. There words are one in the same.
Then we disagree here. When I read Galatians, every judgement against the Law is directed towards those using it inappropriately, and not to the Law itself.
So I respectfully disagree, and recognize we won't convince the other on our own stances.
Thankfully, we both enjoy the exact same salvation offered to us by our Savior, and that is something to rejoice about.
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