HEBREWS 1.14

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posthuman

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#41
“Therefore WE ought to give the more earnest heed...which WE have heard...lest...WE should let them slip,” etc. Someone is in danger of letting something slip away from them, and it will cause them to “neglect salvation” neglect so great salvation
to HEBREWS.
neglecting the gospel preached by Christ and His apostles and testified of with signs?
you think that's describing a believer?


does your definition of "believer" really include refusing to believe the Savior?

pretty sure the author is emphatically telling the reader to believe
 

throughfaith

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#42
neglecting the gospel preached by Christ and His apostles and testified of with signs?
you think that's describing a believer?


does your definition of "believer" really include refusing to believe the Savior?

pretty sure the author is emphatically telling the reader to believe
1¶Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
Neglecting the Gospel? Don't you mean 3How shall WE escape, if we NEGLECT so great salvation;

WE !
 

posthuman

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1¶Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
Neglecting the Gospel? Don't you mean 3How shall WE escape, if we NEGLECT so great salvation;

WE !
he's urging them to continue to believe; not to go back to Moses.

And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
(Hebrews 3:5-6 nkjv)
interesting how 'endure to the end' is defined here as 'holding fast the confidence & rejoicing of the hope' -- a completely faith-based assurance of salvation. this is in contrast with relying on works and submission to the Law. this is indeed written to Jews, and the central temptation of Jews away from the gospel is to neglect the covenant of Christ's body & blood in favor of the covenant of Sinai. failing to endure = doubting your security in Him.

seeing that the author is giving this argument telling us it is the thing spoken by Christ & given witness by the testimony of His apostles, Hebrews is certainly a hammer-blow to the idea that Jesus preached a 'different gospel' to Jews than that which went out to Gentiles, that 'Jewish believer's salvation' is still through rigorous law-keeping & works but everyone else who believes gets a completely different gospel of grace.
 

throughfaith

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what do you see as being different between 'the gospel' and 'salvation' ?
Today once a person believes the Gospel and is sealed unto the day of redemption, he has salvation . He is not in danger of ' slipping away ' or Neglecting so great a salvation.