Hebrews 10:26-31
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It seems to be a fact of life that the bigger the error, the more fanatical that person becomes. I'm going to have to say goodbye and welcome to my ignore list.
You may believe that once a person is saved, they will always be saved. That is up to you.
For myself, I believe that the person who is believing in Jesus Christ has eternal life. He has the downpayment of the Spirit and the testimony of the Spirit in his spirit testifying that He is a son of God. I believe in Jesus Christ and his death and his resurrection. He and He alone is my reason for living!
I do not believe in "once saved always saved" because I prefer to live with assurance of salvation.
For myself, I believe that the person who is believing in Jesus Christ has eternal life. He has the downpayment of the Spirit and the testimony of the Spirit in his spirit testifying that He is a son of God. I believe in Jesus Christ and his death and his resurrection. He and He alone is my reason for living!
I do not believe in "once saved always saved" because I prefer to live with assurance of salvation.
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Let's see who's taking verses out of context...
Hebrews 13:5 is a quote of Deuteronomy 31:8...
8“The Lord himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you...”-Deuteronomy 31:8
Now, IN CONTEXT, look what 'never' actually means:
“And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and calamities will come on them, and in that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come on us because our God is not with us?’ 18And I will certainly hide my face in that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods."-Deuteronomy 31:17-18
God never leaving nor forsaking you is conditioned on you staying in him. As we can see, 'never' does not mean 'absolutely never no matter what'. That is the part of 'never' that the church does not understand.
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You probably don't realize it, but you're saying that it is necessary for a believer to keep believing in order to be saved when Jesus comes back.
I was thinking the same thing. If someone can not lose their salvation, what is the purpose of God killing them?
Deutoronomy is part of the Old Testament, not the new one.
Also, in the Greek it has a stronger meaning:
Original Word: οὐ
Part of Speech: Particle, Negative
Transliteration: ou, ouk, ouch
Phonetic Spelling: (oo)
Short Definition: no, not
Definition: no, not.
3756 ou – no ("not"). 3756 (ou) objectively negates a statement, "ruling it out as fact."
First of all, please read the sticky about hyper grace, by the mods/admin Oncefallen and CS1. It specifically states that we are NOT to post anything on hyper grace.
Secondly, there is no such thing as HYPER grace. Grace is grace, pure and simple. It does not get any plainer than that.
Secondly, there is no such thing as HYPER grace. Grace is grace, pure and simple. It does not get any plainer than that.