Correct "grace plus works" and "grace as a license to sin" are both wrong extremes
Hebrews 10:26-31
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Our salvation within our Spirit is eternal and secure. But, our soul is needing to become one with the transformation there.
This death to our flesh also was a permanent rendering blow by the Cross of Jesus. So what's our problem? Is it not our mind? Our understanding?
I believe so. We are told by Paul that we have died with Jesus and are raised with Him in resurrection life. We are also told to reckon it is so on a daily basis. But, we fail to spend that precious time with Him in worship and in study. Then we try to walk in the world and overcome our enemies. I think James addresses this by saying we look into the mirror and see what Jesus has done, but then go out, and forget what we saw. That mirror by the way is referring to the washing laver which had mirrors at the bottom.
Our rewards will will be based on our overcoming works. But, Paradise, our destination at our passing will never be lost.
This death to our flesh also was a permanent rendering blow by the Cross of Jesus. So what's our problem? Is it not our mind? Our understanding?
I believe so. We are told by Paul that we have died with Jesus and are raised with Him in resurrection life. We are also told to reckon it is so on a daily basis. But, we fail to spend that precious time with Him in worship and in study. Then we try to walk in the world and overcome our enemies. I think James addresses this by saying we look into the mirror and see what Jesus has done, but then go out, and forget what we saw. That mirror by the way is referring to the washing laver which had mirrors at the bottom.
Our rewards will will be based on our overcoming works. But, Paradise, our destination at our passing will never be lost.
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I do not know.
Only God knows when and where he's done trying to woe the former believer back to himself.
I know that.
That's why you have to keep on believing.
If you stop believing you cease to be a sheep that belongs to Christ.
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A dead body is persevered as long as it has embalming fluid in it. Take the embalming fluid out of it and it will no longer be preserved.
And so it is with the believer. Take that which preserves him for the day of Christ out of him and he will no longer be preserved for the day of Christ. Being preserved for the day of Christ does not mean you can stop being preserved. It means you are preserved as long as you have that which preserves you.
Think, mailman, think! You're a smart fellow. Get out of your narrow, once saved always saved thinking! Start recognizing the other possibilities that the once saved always indoctrination causes people to not be able to see or consider.
If you or anybody else is clinging to the once saved always saved argument because they're not doing to well in their battle with sin, don't worry. You don't lose your salvation because you're defeated in sin. You lose your salvation because you stop believing in Christ who covers your sin.
That's not biblical. Otherwise Jesus would not have said "they shall NEVER perish"
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But not everyone has strong faith.no worries here ralph
everyone given a new heart and spirit LIVE by faith
Some are like the second type of soil in the Parable of the Sower and stop believing when trouble comes because the word is not deeply rooted in their stony heart.
That's not what Jesus said.
If your faith is weak because the word is not firmly rooted in your heart (soil #2) you can indeed stop believing.
If your faith is strong because the word is firmly rooted in your heart and bearing fruit (soil #4), those are the ones who persevere to the end and can not be lost.
No false. It talks about people who fell away from fellowship. Not salvation.
Hebrews 11:1 gives the answer for saving faith.
[FONT="]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[/FONT]
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He posted scripture un-rightly divided away from the whole counsel of scripture.
That's what you have to do to believe in 'once saved always saved'.
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not rooted in Christ = not born again
this type of flimsy or misplaced faith
is everything from the reprobates who forsake their knowledge (not faith) of God
to the self righteous who place their faith in their works and cry "lord lord have i not done many wonderful works"
we agree its about being rooted in Christ
we agree its not about the NUMBER of fruit
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
when His seed falls on good soil
it is not about the soil choosing anything
it is about His seed taking root
the fruit is just a product of this