Hebrews 10:26-31
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I understand what you're saying and agree. There is a problem with the language though because so many readily swap out belief (working faith) with belief (mere mental assent).
The only ones who know Christ are those who do his commandments. Mere mental assent to Christ is not enough to know him.
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Without a doubt there is chastisement.
You'll have a struggle trying to wrest free of God's grace in salvation. But like I say, the weaker and less grounded the word is in you the easier and more likely it can be uprooted and removed from your heart.
That's why it's important for believers to grow up in their faith and into a mature, fruit producing 'knowing' relationship with God and into the kind of person who can not be moved from the truth of the gospel.
I once conversed with a fellow who believes like you do, and he said that a person who confessed Christ once, then apostatized would be saved.
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And so that's what you believe.
You're entitled to your own beliefs.
Just don't ignore the condition for never being able to perish.
That's all.
If you want to think no Christian can ever stop believing, that's fine. At least you seem to agree that you have to keep believing to continue to be saved. That's what matters.
He got that nonsense most likely from FGT, Zane Hodges, Lewis Sperry Chafer and DTS. He may not know he got it from there, but the hand me down teachings that espouse this view stems from those aforementioned.
The Bible doesn't say that. a Christian can pretend to stop believing, but the faith will remain in the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not say to the lost men "I no longer know you", but "I never knew you".
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That is called Hyper-grace doctrine. A most damnable doctrine.
It's the polar opposite of the works gospel. It is what the church has to presently contend with in this time in history. But it's proving not to be much of a fight. I think it will win out in this time just before Christ's return. It's the great falling away prophesied in scripture.
The problem about Zane Hodges is that he taught a crossless Gospel in his last years
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These people of whom he will say, 'I never knew you' never knew him.
If they had grown to 'know' him they would not have fallen away.
It is the weak, immature believer in whom the word is not deeply rooted that is in danger of falling away. They never knew Christ for them to be deeply rooted believers who will persevere to the end.
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There is a difference between free grace and Free Grace Theology. The latter probably helped facilitate HG.
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No.
Not going to church or not serving in some kind of program at church does not equate to falling away from faith in Christ. But there are probably lots of people who think it does.
There are differences between Free Grace and Hyper-Grace doctrines. The former is a reaction against lordship salvation doctrine (James MacArthur) and the latter evolved out of the word of faith movement (Prince).