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JesusIsAll

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Are you trying to insult me and hurt me? That is not very nice.
They speak of some posse of others, translated the Bible believing they scorn, have their buzz words like "not Christ-like." Or you're "divisive." They have no control of the darkness and insults that come out of them, which incessantly provoke, yet gather on some thread, talking about cohesiveness, crying like babies, how everybody else needs to shut up. It's like some spiritual disease, whose primary symptom is Pharisaical hypocrisy painted bright red, and, lo and behold, all they talk about is legal bondage.
 

LRG

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Lol feel free to continue you're doing an excellent job.

Now i have other things to do you're a waste of my time.
Okay then. Have a nice day. You are not hurting me at all but actually making me laugh. I find this all so absurd that it is actually funny.
 
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Angelique

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They don't give refunds either. It is a one way trip to Nutsville.
Well I see for all my "derailing" the world keeps turning. Nutsville?? On cc??? Say it aint so!
 

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Well I see for all my "derailing" the world keeps turning. Nutsville?? On cc??? Say it aint so!

​Angelique, you know that there are nuts in every thread and every forum on CC. LOL!! :)
 
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Angelique

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They speak of some posse of others, translated the Bible believing they scorn, have their buzz words like "not Christ-like." Or you're "divisive." They have no control of the darkness and insults that come out of them, which incessantly provoke, yet gather on some thread, talking about cohesiveness, crying like babies, how everybody else needs to shut up. It's like some spiritual disease, whose primary symptom is Pharisaical hypocrisy painted bright red, and, lo and behold, all they talk about is legal bondage.
I often think while reading some posts, of Jesus being tortmented in the garden..praying Father if it is your will take this cup from me..but if not then let your will be done. A cup of wrath ..a cup that the Father delighted to give Him. The blood sweat and tears He endured.. that ended with It is Finished. .

Then I think of some of the posts. We might as well walk up to Jesus on the cross and say why bother it wasn't enough, I have to produce works in order to be saved Lord. Apparently my work is greater than yours. Makes me cry.
 
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Angelique

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I thought this thread was about Hell. The last 2-3 pages have looked like nothing but attacks and hatred. Is this not a Christ-based message board?

Does behaving with such malice make us His disciples?

John 13:34-35 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
And yet sir wasn't this post a mild form of reproach of the participants of the last few pages of this thread and not consistent with the topic that you felt so incensed to make comment on???.
 
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BradC

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Then the scripture that states that the body returns to the dust and the spirit returns to God is wrong? There's no mention of any place other than with God that the spirit goes.
I never mentioned the human spirit, only the soul in relationship to its eternal destiny separated from God. The spirit does go back to God who gave it as you have said according to (Eccl 12:7) but the soul of the unsaved or the unredeemed goes below to a place called hell awaiting the second death while the body goes in the grave to be resurrected and judged with the soul at the time of the great white throne judgment of (Rev 20:11-15). Those who are raised unto the second death will not put on incorruption or have the everlasting life of God according to His glory. The human spirit in man is dormant until it becomes the candle of the Lord and is quickened by the word and Spirit and that happens at the point of salvation (Prov 20:27, Psalm 119:130, 1 Peter 3:18, Jn 6:63, 1 Cor 15:35-58). The unsaved have a human spirit that was given to them by God to give them the light of God, but it can be defiled and contaminated through the flesh (2Cor 7:1).
 
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JesusIsAll

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WHAT??? Are you joking??? I'm totally shocked and disillusioned by this. I just don't know if I can ever get over this. This is so disappointing. You just can't trust anyone these days. They're all the same. A bunch of liars.

What do you mean they don't hide anything? I don't know about that but one Bible verse did come to mind when you said that as follows:

2 Corinthians 11:13-15New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. [SUP]15 [/SUP]It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
It's no small matter. There's this ecumenicism the Bible doesn't teach these days, where it's preferable to sing kumbaya straight into hell, than to shine a light on lies and error. Pharisaical self righteousness is damning, a mockery of the cross. It was a question I previously offered: how is the Holy Spirit failing some people, to guide them to even plain and simple Bible truths that generations of the Spirit-filled have understood? Is the Holy Spirit a failure, God forbid, or is it, more appropriately, another problem, another gospel, of the doctrines of false prophets? I, for one, have seen nobody doing anything but parroting the teachings of known cults, with some of the rogue Hebrew roots, from a public access channel, thrown in, Gentile Johnny dresses up like a Jew.
 
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Hell is a place where the soul of man departs after leaving this life, who has not believed in the righteousness of God. All bodies, both of the righteous and the unrighteous, go into the grave to await a future judgment, one unto life and the other unto condemnation. The unrighteous, who await in this place called hell will be judged according to their works and will face a second death called the lake of fire. Both death and hell will be cast into that lake of fire and all those whose names are not written in the book of life. The lake of fire is eternal damnation to Satan, his angels and to those who have rejected God's righteousness. There the fire is not quenched, the worm dies not, there will be torment day and night and there is darkness and smoke. The very lusts of the flesh that fulfilled them in this life and in this world can never be satisfied in this lake of fire and brimstone. They will live every day throughout eternity knowing that they rejected the one who could have saved them from all this.

They may have been morally good people but they rejected God's goodness by rejecting the gospel and Jesus Christ and his work on the cross. They may have lived a long and fulfilling life but not according to the grace of God or God's righteousness through the Holy Spirit. They lived there life on earth with no life from above. They derived pleasure from earthly things and not from God's right hand where Christ sits. God never knew them nor had any relationship with them and therefore rejected all their goodness and all their righteousness through His perfect justice. They relied upon themselves instead of trusting in the living God. They wanted to live their life their way and not God's way. They had a life that seemed pure and right unto themselves but they were alienated from the life of God. God has only one choice to give to those who reject Him and the righteousness he provided through his Son and that is eternal separation
If they live everyday of eternity knowing they rejected God, doesn't that mean they have received eternal life? I thought eternal life was only for believers.
 

Patnubay

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As I said you can judge for yourself about what I saw but if you saw what I did and felt what I did you wouldnt call it a dream. Plus being with Jesus even in hell was so amazing, how often does one get to meet Jesus and actually sit in his lap?
If that "experience" of yours will bring you near to Him, then so be it.

[h=1]Matthew 9:29New King James Version (NKJV)[/h]29 Then He touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith let it be to you.”





 

LRG

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It's no small matter. There's this ecumenicism the Bible doesn't teach these days, where it's preferable to sing kumbaya straight into hell, than to shine a light on lies and error. Pharisaical self righteousness is damning, a mockery of the cross. It was a question I previously offered: how is the Holy Spirit failing some people, to guide them to even plain and simple Bible truths that generations of the Spirit-filled have understood? Is the Holy Spirit a failure, God forbid, or is it, more appropriately, another problem, another gospel, of the doctrines of false prophets? I, for one, have seen nobody doing anything but parroting the teachings of known cults, with some of the rogue Hebrew roots, from a public access channel, thrown in, Gentile Johnny dresses up like a Jew.
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth. The Holy Spirit would not lead you into grievous error. Regarding doctrines that your salvation hinges on there is no compromise. Salvation is not subjective.

What people do is make God in their image instead of searching the scriptures to find out who God really is. The scriptures reveal who God is and his plan for salvation.

But even farther back than that it really is the fear of God that is the beginning of wisdom.

It is also a matter of pride because if you can make your own religious rituals to follow then that leads to a sense of accomplishment and gives people something to work for and towards. But grace cannot be worked for because if it could then it would be owed to you and then it would not really be grace which is God's mercy.

A person needs to humble themselves and come to God with a childlike faith. That way they can accept the gospel which is really quite simple and understand that they need to depend 100 percent on Christ for their salvation and 0 percent on themselves.


[h=1]Psalm 25:14New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]14 [/SUP]The Lord confides in those who fear him;
he makes his covenant known to them.


[h=1]Acts 10:22New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]22 [/SUP]The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”


[h=1]Acts 13:26New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]“Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.


[h=1]Romans 4:1-8New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Abraham Justified by Faith[/h]4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? [SUP]2 [/SUP]If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. [SUP]5 [/SUP]However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”[SUP][b]


[/SUP][h=1]Matthew 18:2-3New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]2 [/SUP]He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
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JesusIsAll

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A person needs to humble themselves and come to God with a childlike faith. That way they can accept the gospel which is really quite simple and understand that they need to depend 100 percent on Christ for their salvation and 0 percent on themselves.
What's incredible, makes no sense to me, we're talking God here, the eternal Creator of this vast universe, versus mortal, pea brained man, of some few years fractured wisdom, at best. How can one NOT humble one's self, to the ground?!
 

Atwood

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I have to admit I have a real problem with this. I remember when I was first saved, a Jehovah Witness put one of their little leaflets through my door and there was a little bit about Hell in there, I know that what was written in that leaflet wasn't Biblical but it did make me feel better. It described Hell from the JW point of view, suggesting that the "pit" described in the Bible was simply a grave - so the unsaved were simply buried and that was as bad as it got. I struggle with the truth of Hell - all my family are unsaved and my parents do not deserve [Vot der dumboozle!?] to suffer the torment of Hell [Yes they do!] but seemingly this awaits them. I pray for my family but so far nothing has changed.

So where is Hell? How can such a place exist? I have heard there are varying degrees of suffering depending on the depth of sin one has committed during their lifetime. I guess I just want someone to make be feel better about this, I really don't want Hell to be literal, it's a burden I carry.
It makes more sense to me that there is no Hell, but that the unsaved be annihilated, rather than tortured forever. However, the Lord didn't ask my advice when He planned the course of history or the punishment of sinners. And the Bible doesn't teach annihilation, but damnation in the Lake of Fire.

Actually "Hell" is a confused term best left out of the discussion. We find two different places of discomfort for sinners who do not accept the free salvation offered them, bought at such great cost by a Savior who took this suffering for them on the cross.
The temporary place of the damned is Sheol/Hades (Sheol being the OT word). The best description I know of it is in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man.

The permanent place of the damned is Gehenna/Lake of Fire. The end of Revelation describes how the inhabitants of Hades end up in the Lake of Fire.

We all are not just slight sinners, but crass evil doers. Romans 1-3 describes us in detail.

Isaiah 50:

10 Who is among you that feareth Jehovah, that obeyeth the voice of his servant? he that walketh in darkness, and hath no light, let him trust in the name of Jehovah, and rely upon his God. 11 Behold,
all ye that kindle a fire,
that gird yourselves about with firebrands;
walk ye in the flame of your fire
and among the brands that ye have kindled.

This shall ye have of my hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

Here is the heart of the Lord:


O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her own brood under her wings, and ye would not!


Where it is, is not important.
Literal? It makes no difference if it is literal or not; it is described as fire and torment.
It is actual.

If they Lord had asked my advice, neither sin, nor sorrow, nor suffering would ever have existed.
There would never have been war nor ebola.
No child would beat up another child for nothing on the school playground.
No one would be cutting off heads with butcher knives;
no babies would be sliced up by fiendish doctors.
But He never asked my advice, and I have to accept His sovereignty, knowing that He loves much better than I.
I prayed for your family; now you pray for mine!
 

LRG

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What's incredible, makes no sense to me, we're talking God here, the eternal Creator of this vast universe, versus mortal, pea brained man, of some few years fractured wisdom, at best. How can one NOT humble one's self, to the ground?!
They do not have that perception. Being in awe of God and his creation is childlike and these people are much too sophisticated for that. They don't understand the relationship between the creator and the created being. They act like they created themselves yet if it wasn't for the creator they would not be here. They elevate man and devalue God if they even believe in a God.

Some are so smart that they think they don't need God and some even go so far as to say he doesn't exist even though the creation attests to his existence.

But basically Satan blinds people and people love darkness and they would rather stay there because they don't want to be held accountable to anyone other than themselves because then they would have to be willing to change their way of thinking and living.
 
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JesusIsAll

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But basically Satan blinds people and people love darkness and they would rather stay there because they don't want to be held accountable to anyone other than themselves because then they would have to be willing to change their way of thinking and living.
It has always been the weirdest phenomenon to me, always, how blindness can supersede intellect. It's like there are scientists who can map DNA, but can't see irreducible complexity. In terms of God, there are those self righteous who can't understand He's the eternal Creator, just how big we really are, we fortunate that He's mindful of us? To not see some things is simply stupid, ergo, blindness is worse than mental retardation. People look at clear Bible verses a child could understand, and they don't get it! Just incredible.
 

LRG

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It has always been the weirdest phenomenon to me, always, how blindness can supersede intellect. It's like there are scientists who can map DNA, but can't see irreducible complexity. In terms of God, there are those self righteous who can't understand He's the eternal Creator, just how big we really are, we fortunate that He's mindful of us? To not see some things is simply stupid, ergo, blindness is worse than mental retardation. People look at clear Bible verses a child could understand, and they don't get it! Just incredible.
Yes, I can relate to what you are saying. I can't understand how some people can miss something so crucial that at the same time is so simple. In my opinion a really smart person will make complicated things more simple instead of making simple things more complicated.

It really has more to do with the condition of people's hearts than their minds.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 1:20-25New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? [SUP]21 [/SUP]For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, [SUP]23 [/SUP]but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, [SUP]24 [/SUP]but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.



[h=1]1 Corinthians 3:18-20New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]18 [/SUP]Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.”[SUP][b]

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JesusIsAll

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It really has more to do with the condition of people's hearts than their minds.
Personally, and this is just an opinion based on some people I've known, there are some people who reject the God of the Bible, knowing He's real, and I highly suspect some are tares out of rebellion, who, of course, don't announce they're in Satan's camp, hence the need to come as an angel of light. Nobody would want to talk to them, if they came with horns and a pitchfork, as it were. It all has to be done by stealth, and the Bible does teach, warn, of tares sown with the wheat. They're out there, certainly, but God only knows how many, wittingly.
 

VCO

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Then she must have had something correct.

You as a Catholic have enough of your own skeletons. How can you possibly point out any other Christian denomination's shortcomings? So they had a false prophet. So what?

The RCC has committed more murders in the name of Christ than probably even radical Islam. You have enslaved even the Yaki Indians of Mexico, imposed the Inquisitions in Spain, and set yourself up to rule over nations. Your own clergy has committed rape and sodomy upon young boys and men. You have had Popes who even backed the Nazis. You refuse to kick Nancy Poloski and Vice-President Biden out of the Church even though they support abortion, yet you condemn the SDA for that White woman and for keeping the Sabbath? Shame on you.


You had better check your OWN history, the Armies and Kings and Rulers of so-called Protestants, killed and awful lot of Catholics too.

. . . over 200,000 civilian casualties (from war-related famine or disease) ... to punish the Irish for atrocities against English Protestant settlers during the 1641 Uprising. . . .

Cromwellian conquest of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


-- The Thirty Years' War produced the largest religious death toll of all time. It began in 1618 when Protestant leaders threw two Catholic emissaries out of a Prague window into a dung heap. War flared between Catholic and Protestant princedoms, drawing in supportive religious armies from Germany, Spain, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, France and Italy. Sweden's Protestant soldiers sang Martin Luther's "Ein 'Feste Burg" in battle. Three decades of combat turned central Europe into a wasteland of misery. One estimate states that Germany's population dropped from 18 million to 4 million. In the end nothing was settled, and too few people remained to rebuild cities, plant fields, or conduct education.


-- When Puritans settled in Massachusetts in the 1600s, they created a religious police state where doctrinal deviation could lead to flogging, pillorying, hanging, cutting off ears, or boring through the tongue with a hot iron. Preaching Quaker beliefs was a capital offense. Four stubborn Quakers defied this law and were hanged. In the 1690s fear of witches seized the colony. Twenty alleged witches were killed and 150 others imprisoned.


-- Late in the 19th century, with rebellion stirring in Russia, the czars attempted to divert public attention by helping anti-Semitic groups rouse Orthodox Christian hatred for Jews. Three waves of pogroms ensued -- in the 1880s, from 1903 to 1906, and during the Russian Revolution. Each wave was increasingly murderous. During the final period, 530 communities were attacked and 60,000 Jews were killed.


ETC., ETC., ETC.

I guess you never talked to my Grandfather about pointing fingurs. "Every time you point your finger at anyone, you always have three fingers pointing at yourself."

BESIDES ALL THAT, you are as bad of a Sinner as the Worst Catholic Sinner you can think of:

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


 
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